[Deep Waters]

Originally Posted by reggie_woic

why should we accept polygamy in a society that would never even consider polyandry?

its only fair.

EEHH Reggie..Polyandry is a bit insane and disgrace.. especially with words like slut, whore, hallots around the society. Anyway, can a woman handle?

[nyira]

Originally Posted by grip_daddy

Then you must have read the words, "it was not so from the beginning" when divorce and marriage were the subject.

You must also have read that church leaders (those who give the required examples to the rest) were required to be husbands of one wife.

You must have analyzed and seen the numerous family problems that occurred in polygamous families not excluding that of Abraham.

You must have read the lineage under which polygamy is introduced in the bible.

You must, by now, be knowing why Christians have strong points for discouraging or even discriminating against the polygamous lifestyle.

There are somethings so straight that we need no direct command to shun from.

'it was not so from the beginning'.It means the permanency of marriage,which was from the beginning should be restored.This was in answer to divorce,which separated what God had put together.

Abraham's marriage had problems yes,any lifestyle has problems,be it monogamy or celibacy.just by polygamy creating an opportunity for problems does not mean its bad.Its us to adjust .Monogamy creates an opportunity for adultery,buying a car creates an opportunity to defy traffic rules,shoule you stop buying it? I gues not,its you to adjust and bring about the best out of it,for it is possible.

And by the way,Adam's marriage was monogamous but did it fail to have problems?.

There is nowhere in the bible polyamy is depicted as a sin.The writer of Genesis(moses), would have brought the issue clear but instead he allowed it,and he went further to get himself another wife from Ethiopia,apart from Zipporah.Consider the case of Solomon,God did not have a problem with him getting many wives but he was to be strong so that they do not lead him astray.

Am not advocating for polygamy,that should be a personal decision.my beef is why is it depicted as a sin,while nowhere in the bible its put as sinful?.Are we christians only infering things?

(Most celibates of nowadays have ended up being homosexuals,can we say celibacy is a sin,or its not christian?)

[ATLian]

Originally Posted by nyira

(Most celibates of nowadays have ended up being homosexuals,can we say celibacy is a sin,or its not christian?)

Please provide evidence of the above statement.

[ATLian]

Originally Posted by nyira

Why are christians so much against polygamy?.When I read through the Holy Bible,nowhere it says polygamy is a sin,or rather bad.

One thing you cannot argue about is that god was not against polygamy in the Bible. The evidence is there in plenty. ALL his great men were polygamous. He blessed his great men with multiple wives. When he sent his Israelites on genocidal missions, he directed his men to kill all the enemies men, women, old and young and children, but to keep the virgin girls for themselves. God has laws on everything, including what to eat and wear, but has no laws against polygamy. I think it's very hard to make a convincing argument using the Bible that god was anti-polygamy.

In my view-point, the reason is very simple. God was created by a chauvinistic man, hence polygamy (and never polyandry) was widely accepted. Later on, as Christians became more modern and women's lib and rights came into play, then we had to make polygamy illegal in the so-called Christian nations.

[ATLian]

Originally Posted by YB*

From a Kenyan perspective, we adopted monogamy officially on independence day (wholesale adoption of English system) monogamy is but 44 yrs old in Kenya

I'm pretty sure that Kenyan law recognizes traditional marriages. So you can marry 5 women if you marry them under traditional law, but you cannot marry 5 women in the AG's Chambers.

[KEMINOKANA]

Originally Posted by grip_daddy

Then you must have read the words, "it was not so from the beginning" when divorce and marriage were the subject.

You must also have read that church leaders (those who give the required examples to the rest) were required to be husbands of one wife.

You must have analyzed and seen the numerous family problems that occurred in polygamous families not excluding that of Abraham.

You must have read the lineage under which polygamy is introduced in the bible.

You must, by now, be knowing why Christians have strong points for discouraging or even discriminating against the polygamous lifestyle.

There are somethings so straight that we need no direct command to shun from.

1. It wasnt so re: divorce, because it was so that the men married many wives. Besides, if you want to use the beginning as the yardstick, bear in mind Abel raruad his own sister.

2. The church leaders were held to higher standards. There were many things they couldnt do because they were in direct contact with God. And if that is the yardstick, then we should be outraged by the standards of mordern day church leaders.

3. Re: problems, mind you many monogamous families have worse problems.

4. re: lineage, it seems to me polygamy was there from day one. The bible does not say Adam didnt lay his daughters. But we do know that prominent families from the beginning had polygamists. Keep in mind that the ten commandments came into being waaaaaaaaaay later when the Israelites were on their way back to Canaan.

5. There is no biblical condemnation of polygamy. None whatsoever. That is why you have written paragraphs without pointing to a specific verse that prohibits it. Polygamy is shunned due to interpretation/misinterpretation. Consequently, there is nothing sinful about polygamy. It does however present challenges. But such challenges exist in monogamous marriages too.

[KEMINOKANA]

Originally Posted by ATLian

In my view-point, the reason is very simple. God was created by a chauvinistic man, hence polygamy (and never polyandry) was widely accepted. Later on, as Christians became more modern and women's lib and rights came into play, then we had to make polygamy illegal in the so-called Christian nations.

It is true that God was clearly not anti polygamy. For instance, when David took his friend's wife, God did not complain that he'd married another woman. His complaint was that he'd stolen someone else's wife and had the husband killed.

As for equal rights, remember the woman was created out of the man's limbs. So it follows that the woman was to be below the man just the way mankind is below Angels who are below Him. It has nothing to do with equal rights. Besides, we all know that men and women are not equal ( lol yes I said it. We may be intellectually at par, but everything else we are clearly unequal). We just act politically correct because being humane is a necessary ingredient to harmony. But looking at the way God operates, there is no doubt in His mind that all this equal rights thing is total bull because He is hierarchical.

[grip_daddy]

Abraham's marriage had problems yes,any lifestyle has problems,be it monogamy or celibacy.just by polygamy creating an opportunity for problems does not mean its bad.

Problems created due to polygamy are inevitable. They cause unnecessary friction between the wives, compromises from the husband, supremacy fights, etc. The practice was not talked against, but it is interesting to note how, in the entire bible, especially in the passages talking about love and commitment, monogamy takes centre stage.

Its us to adjust.

You had earlier stated that man naturally is created to love more than one woman. It is also true that a woman is created to desire to be the only woman in a man's life. Whom do you advocate to adjust?

Monogamy creates an opportunity for adultery,

Thou shalt not commit adultery is an explicit command that no one can get excuse from.

Let me tell you one thing, adultery is not committed by monogamous husbands per se. More often than not, those that engage in extra marital affairs are married to more than one wife (read David and Solomon).

buying a car creates an opportunity to defy traffic rules,shoule you stop buying it?

Should you buy more than one car if it has been shown that they that have more cause most accidents? Or, should we drink and drive? I gues not

And by the way,Adam's marriage was monogamous but did it fail to have problems?

Adam's problems were not caused by lack of polygamy.

There is nowhere in the bible polyamy is depicted as a sin.The writer of Genesis(moses), would have brought the issue clear but instead he allowed it,and he went further to get himself another wife from Ethiopia,apart from Zipporah.Consider the case of Solomon,God did not have a problem with him getting many wives but he was to be strong so that they do not lead him astray.

There hasn't been shown, at all, that polygamy constitute sin. On the other hand, we have numerous benefits that come with monogamy that outway any pros that could be tied to the practice of polygamy.

Am not advocating for polygamy,that should be a personal decision.my beef is why is it depicted as a sin,while nowhere in the bible its put as sinful?.Are we christians only infering things?

I think this is your personal intepretation when messages for monogamy and/or against polygamy are preached. Whoever discourages polygamy has good reasons to, and therefore, someone in his opposition is allowed to have a wrong understanding when the demirits of a particular entity are being emphasized.

(Most celibates of nowadays have ended up being homosexuals,can we say celibacy is a sin,or its not christian)?

So, would you encourage them to venture into lifestyles that discourage homosexuality?

[grip_daddy]

it was not so from the beginning'.It means the permanency of marriage,which was from the beginning should be restored.This was in answer to divorce,which separated what God had put together.

The whole text has this to say:

"3": The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?

This is intruducing us to the subject of divorce and I won't comment further.

"4": And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,

I really wonder how God could have planned for polygamy from the beginning...note the next phrases..

"5": And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife (single): and they twain (two) shall be one flesh?

Emphasis (as supplied) talks about two becoming one. To me, this is too clear, unless two can be read to mean more than two. Also, two that are one cannot be divided unless you break that bond.

"6": Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

Is any sane person advocating that a third party cannot, in anyway, disjoin the oneness bond herein implied?

"7": They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?

"8": He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.

There are practices that God allowed simply because men became of hard hearts, quite a lot of practices.

"9": And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

Though the subject of discussion was for divorce, we see clearly how Jesus believed and talked as if a man has one wife only.

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