The free man

grip_daddy · (#1 (**permalink**))

It has been said severally by Atheist and like minded schools of thoughts that God negates free will. This morning I was wondering if, peradventure there is no God, can free will (a free man) be an acceptable aspect of humanity? Doesn't man existence in absentia of God subject man to actions controlled/defined by natural laws?

maruei · (#2 (**permalink**))

Just like Muhammad did.
Just say, an angel came to you and said there is NOTHING.

ernestombayo7 · (#3 (**permalink**))

Most Atheists believe in freewill as opposed to determinism.

Most atheists are not neccesarily Materialists.Materialism is the view that only matter exists.And Naturalism is the view that only nature exists,(hence no supernatural beings).

There for if Materialism is true,then it follows that things like the Soul do not exist.Therefore Consciousness is simply a result of brain activity.

Making decisions is reduced to chemical/biological processess within the brain,and this implies that we are determined,to act in certain ways according to brain activity and other natural forces.

grip_daddy · (#4 (**permalink**))

Anyone blaming God for negating free will, should frontier freedom of will if it can be shown that there is no God.

In such a case, it would be impossible to know that I will make choices A, B, and/or C given conditions 1, 2, and/or 3.

ATLian · (#5 (**permalink**))

Atheists (and other rational minded people) are of the view-point that it is impossible for an all-knowing god and free-will to co-exist. You cannot tell me that there is a god who knows everything that I will ever do, then tell me that I have the free will to do something that isn't on the list of the things god knows I will do. That is impossible. One has to give. It's either god knows everything, and therefor eeverything is predetermined, and we have no freewill (which brings about the question of why he even bothered to create us in the first place). Or, god doesn't know what we'll do, hence we have free will (but which also means that there is no god, since god by definition must know everything).

grip_daddy · (#6 (**permalink**))

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Originally Posted by ATLian

Atheists (and other rational minded people) are of the view-point that it is impossible for an all-knowing god and free-will to co-exist. You cannot tell me that there is a god who knows everything that I will ever do, then tell me that I have the free will to do something that isn't on the list of the things god knows I will do. That is impossible. One has to give. It's either god knows everything, and therefor eeverything is predetermined, and we have no freewill (which brings about the question of why he even bothered to create us in the first place). Or, god doesn't know what we'll do, hence we have free will (but which also means that there is no god, since god by definition must know everything).

In Atheistic world, free will cannot exist.

mycalian · (#7 (**permalink**))

think of what goes on around you and tell me how some things are so uniform without a regulator. tell me why wrong always repays you for wrong.

ATLian · (#8 (**permalink**))

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Originally Posted by grip_daddy

In Atheistic world, free will cannot exist.

Free will can exist, but not with an all-knowing god present.

Ndigila2 · (#9 (**permalink**))

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Originally Posted by ATLian

Free will can exist, but not with an all-knowing god present.

How does free will exist in an atheistic world?

ernestombayo7 · (#10 (**permalink**))

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Originally Posted by ATLian

Free will can exist, but not with an all-knowing god present.

Freedom presupposes agent causation – agents that have the capacity to exercise their causal powers spontaneously for various reasons. But agent causation seems to presuppose dualism(body and soul).And it is impossible to account for the existence of a soul in an atheistic worldview.