[Muhammad_4]

According to recent scientific research, the whole universe was one gigantic mass, which scientists call the primary Nebula, they tell us that it was a cosmic explosion or a secondary explosion that gave rise to the sun, the stars, the planets and even the Earth we live on.
Of course, these are established facts based on scientific proofs.
In fact, this idea was realised in 1973 and termed the 'BIG BANG' theory.
But here I have a surprise for you....In the Holy Quraan, chapter 21, verse 30 says. "Do the disbelievers not see that the heavens and the earth were joined together, then I split them apart".
Here we can see that the Holy Quraan is speaking about this 'BIG BANG' theory and let me tell you that the Holy Quraan was revealed over 1400 years ago.
About the shape of the earth:
Previously, Man thought that the Earth was flat, until Sir Frances Drake in 1607 finally proved it to be spherical. Today, the term Geoid is used to describe this spherical shape.
Amazingly the Holy Quraan in chapter 31, verse 29 says, "Have you not seen how God merges the night into the day and merges the day into the night."
The use of the word merges emphasizes a slow gradual change, and this is not possible if the earth is flat.
Further in chapter 39, verse 5, it says, "He coils the night upon the day and he coils the day upon the night."
The word used in the original arabic text is "Kaw'wara" which means coils or winds, the significance of this verb is that you usually coil something around a rather spherical object.
We are told that this fact was discovered recently, well relatively recently, who could have mentioned this in the Holy Quraan over 1400 years ago ?

[Muhammad_4]

The Holy Quraan mentions scientific facts:
In several verses of the Holy Quraan the details of the water cycle is mentioned. It explains that the water from the earth and ground rises up and forms clouds .............. these clouds condense, there is lightning and rain falls from the clouds. This is evident from the following quotations ...........chapter 39, verse 21, "Have you not seen that Allah sent rain down from the sky and caused it to penetrate the ground, and come forth as springs.......",
In chapter 23, verse 18, "We sent down water from the sky measure and lodged it in the ground and we certainly are able to withdraw it",
and also in chapter 24, verse 43, "Have you not seen that God makes the clouds move gently, then joins them together, then makes them a heap. And you see rain drops falling from the midst of it ........"
Here, is a distinction that the Holy Quraan makes between stars and planets (as Scientists are telling you).
In chapter 86, verse 1-3, "By the sky and the night visitor, who will tell you what the night visitor is, the star of piercing brightness", which obviously refer to the stars. The planets are described as ornaments in chapter 37, verse 6, as it reads, "We have indeed "We have indeed adorned the lowest heaven with ornaments, the planets".

[Ni_Diambo]

Originally Posted by Muhammad_4

In chapter 23, verse 18, "We sent down water from the sky measure and lodged it in the ground and we certainly are able to withdraw it",
"We have indeed "We have indeed adorned the lowest heaven with ornaments, the planets".

Allah and who?

[Muhammad_4]

Originally Posted by Ni_Diambo

Allah and who?

I have already dealt with It here:
Powerful testimonies for non-believers
Centuries ago people thought that the Moon was a miniature version of the Sun and that both emitted their own light, but recently studies confirmed that the Moon reflected the Sun's light.
The Holy Quraan in chapter 25, verse 61 mentions, "Blessed is the one who placed the constellations in the Heaven and placed therein a lamp and a Moon reflecting light."
Here the Sun is referred to as a lamp for it has its own illumination, while the Moon is said to have reflected light or borrowed light, meaning not its own.
Moreover, today, science has advanced. We have come to know that the Sun does in fact revolve around its own axis. You see, the Sun if observed with the apppropriate scientific apparatus reveals to possess the "Black spots".
Continuous observation shows that these black spots take 25 days to complete a revolution.
Therefore we conclude that the Sun rotates and that it takes approximately 25 days to complete one full rotation around its axis.
But this is nothing new to the muslim for it is revealed in the Holy Quraan in chapter 21, verse 33, "(Allah is) the One who created the night, the day, the Sun and the Moon, each one spinning around its own axis (travelling in an orbit)".
Here it is evident that the Sun and the Moon both rotate and further the celestial law of orbital movement is made mention of.
You tell me who could have mentioned these scientific facts in the Holy Quraan which you say was discovered recently by your (non Muslims) scientists ?

[grip_daddy]

Recently I have been talking to one of my colleagues about Islamic ways of reasoning. We concluded that Muslims should undergo some basic literature classes in applying linguistic connotations.

[maruei]

MuH.4 when you allude a symphony of science with the religion do you also suggest the giants of discoveries as prophets?

I thought you are only suppose to believe in what the last prophet thought and said and nothing more.

And by the way, would you mind sharing more insights about Islam with me on many issues. Like how to pray 5 times a day, what are the prayer items, what if you re in a new place and have no compass to show you your location can you still pray.

I am just asking out of ignorance. I leave near a mosque and repetitive prayers are done through the night. There is a guy with hoarser voice possibly out of using miraa who comes in at 2 am and prays so loudly. What could the reason be to this???

[Muhammad_4]

Originally Posted by maruei

And by the way, would you mind sharing more insights about Islam with me on many issues. Like how to pray 5 times a day, what are the prayer items, what if you re in a new place and have no compass to show you your location can you still pray.
I am just asking out of ignorance. I leave near a mosque and repetitive prayers are done through the night.

You have mentioned that you are living near the Mosque.
What I suggest to you is that, you should turn to those people in the Mosque for these questions, as they are in far better condition than mine.
They will answer you both in words and action better than me, as I am far away from you.
Moreover, by visiting them you will start a harmony of neighbourship between two sides.
Back to the subject: Scientists pointed out recently that salt water and fresh water do not mix:
They say:This phenomenon is observed at various locations.For example the region where the Nile river meets with the Mediterranean sea and more especially in the Gulf stream where these two bodies of water flow together for thousands of kilometres.
But more than 1400 years ago, Quran tells us this:
In Surah 25:53 , ....... "Allah is the one that has let free two seas, one is sweet and palatable and the other is salty and bitter. He placed an unseen barrier between them, a partition that is forbidden to pass".
A similar message is given in Surah 55, :19 and 20, "He has loosed the two seas. They meet together. Between them there is an unseen barrier which they do not transgress........"

Originally Posted by maruei

MuH.4 when you allude a symphony of science with the religion do you also suggest the giants of discoveries as prophets?

To the "educated" men like yourself, and those that do not believe in God, science is generally their yardstick
But to the Muslim, the Holy Quraan is our ultimate yardstick.
The Quraan is also referred to as the "Furqaan" which is the arabic word meaning, the criterion between that which is right and that which is wrong. Therefore I am using your/their yardstick 'science' to prove to you what is said in the Holy Quraan.
What your/their yardstick has said in relatively recent times, mine has said 14 centuries ago.
Can we agree, therefore, that the Quraan is superior to science and that the Quraan is the ultimate yardstick?.

[maruei]

Thanks for your response Muh4.

Us christians too believe scientific discoveries are revelations of the acts of God. That, nothing transpires under the sky without the hand of God.

We basically agree on some few basics with Islam
..Job 26: 5 "The souls of the dead tremble beneath the water, and so do the creatures living there.

6 Sheol is naked in God's presence, and Abaddon has no clothing.

7 "He stretches out his heavens over empty space. He hangs the earth on nothing whatsoever.

8 He holds the water in his thick clouds, and the clouds don't even split under its weight

9 He covers his throne by spreading his cloud over it.

10 He marks the horizon on the surface of the water at the boundary where light meets dark.

11 The pillars of heaven tremble and are astonished when he yells at them.

12 With his power he calmed the sea. With his insight he killed Rahab the sea monster.

13 With his wind the sky was cleared. With his hand he stabbed the fleeing snake.

14 "These are only glimpses of what he does. We only hear a whisper of him! Who can understand the thunder of his power?"

I think we also agree on Genesis and the creation God did.
Our major contention is only that of Jesus and who He was.
Jesus Christ in simple sense to us is..
1. God Himself who took form of man to reconcile men to Himself.
2. He is the perfection of God in which all men need to strive towards.
3. The door of Grace to God, giving us an opportunity to meet God despite our weaknesses.
4.Bread of life, what we need to survive.
There are more to this.
Though Catholics are more inclined to Islamic believe system.

[Muhammad_4]

Originally Posted by maruei

Our major contention is only that of Jesus and who He was.
Jesus Christ in simple sense to us is..
1. God Himself who took form of man to reconcile men to Himself.
2. He is the perfection of God in which all men need to strive towards.
3. The door of Grace to God, giving us an opportunity to meet God despite our weaknesses.
4.Bread of life, what we need to survive.
There are more to this.

Actually, I was to talk about Islam and Science, but those statements above have tempted me to discuss on them.
First, you should know that, I really enjoys to use the Bible against Christians, I would be a liar if I wouldnt admit that.
Having said that:
How could Jesus God while he was calling God, God? Jesus prayed to God ,does God pray to anyone?
"My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" (Mark 15:34).

[spairo]

Originally Posted by grip_daddy

Recently I have been talking to one of my colleagues about Islamic ways of reasoning. We concluded that Muslims should undergo some basic literature classes in applying linguistic connotations.

Now this one was un call for, coming from somebody who atleast knows how to type, your embarrasing our education system. you cant generalise a whole community...what did you mean by MUSLIMS??... We have gay bishop in US, can we add you to that number?