can you measure love?

[ATLian]

Originally Posted by YB*

From the old testament, you can see God has mood swings, more than 4 female mashadites getting back on Karl Marx whilst having PMS.

True. According to the definition of god, he cannot change. Meaning even his moods cannot change.

Also, if god has always always known what will happen, how can that thing shock/annoy/surprise him when it happens? It's like watching a movie for the 100th time, how do you still get emotional when the same sh.it that happens in the 39th minute of the movie happens yet again?

If god changes from his current perfect state to a state where he is now jealous or angry, it means that god isn't perfect any longer! Also, if we can attribute such humanly emotions to god (like jealousy and anger), which other ones can we attribute to him? Nyeges? Does he ever look down at our women and say "Damn, I'd like to tap that?" My point is that when we start giving god humanly attributes, then it puts christianity down a very uncomfortable path where it has to explain a heck of a lot of other not-too-complementary attributes about god.

[ATLian]

Originally Posted by rayfisher

the measure is that a man should give up his life for his friends and also that God gave his only begotten son that is huge measure of love

I just cannot get all this ass kissing and making a big deal of the fact that god is great coz of sacrifiicng his only son. It just makes me want to bang my head on the wall at how revered it is, seeing that I think it's one of the dumbest and most absurd things in Christianity for a variety of reasons.

Kwanza, and this is the most important one: If you actually give up your life to save your friends, then that is a highly commendable act. You are a hero. If you give up somebody else's life to save other's lives, you are NOT a hero. If the life you give up is your son's, you are a sick twisted fu.ck, not a hero. Can you imagine a man bragging how he sacrificed his 5 month baby girl so as to save a group of people he doesn't even know? You never hear people saying Bush is a hero for sacrificing the lives of US soldiers in Iraq. You hear people praising those soldiers for sacrificing their lives! Sacrificing somebody else is nothing to commend anybody for, so it's ludicrous to commend the most intelligent being ever for doing it.

Secondly, if any of us was to sacrifice his son, then your son would be dead and gone forever. Jesus wasn't sacrificed - he was with his dad a few seconds after he died. 3 days later he was alive on earth. A few days after he ascended to heaven to be with his dad again. That is NOT a sacrifice! It's a temporary absence from seeing your son. Period. It's not like the guy who will never see his son, who won't ever have the chance to see his son produce grandkids, who will never watch a football game with his son again, etc. Calling that a sacrifice is a misuse of the word "sacrifice" and it makes a mockery of those whose children have actually been sacrificed!

Third, Jesus and god planned the entire dying-on-the-cross thing for quadrillions of years. They both knew that they would create evil, they both knew what it would do to man, they both knew that Jesus would "die' for it. The fact that they planned it and man is just a pawn in a big scheme to cure man of his god-created evil just gives the whole scheme a bad stench! It also removes any logical reason for us to glorify that act and pity Christ for what he went through!

Fourth, god could have chosen to do anything else in order to eradicate evil. e.g. don't create Satan. Or snap his holy fingers and eradicate evil and all other factors that cause evil. Or send a healing wind that would give everyone a nice cool breeze as it sweeps away all evil from mankind. Lakini instead he chose one of the most despicable ways one can think of - that of having your only child horrifically tortured and then killed! Again that shows that god is an evil killer, since it looks like blood always has to be shed in his schemes! And it still didn't work since only 30% of the world's people are Christians, and of those, I can bet very few satisfy god's standards to be in heaven!

I just don't get it!