[jasakwa]

I have witnessed some brothers and sisters refraining from pertaking the holy sacrament just because their marriage is not officially recorgnised by church.

I tend to disagree because when christ never barred any particular group from pertaking it because the main purpose is to commemorate his life death and ressurection.

[Wamax74.]

Originally Posted by jasakwa

I have witnessed some brothers and sisters refraining from pertaking the holy sacrament just because their marriage is not officially recorgnised by church.

I tend to disagree because when christ never barred any particular group from pertaking it because the main purpose is to commemorate his life death and ressurection.

The word sacrament has diverse meaning: baptism, marriage, holy communion, death, priesthood, annointing of the sick, etc. However, I would think you are referring to partaking in the holy communion, whereby bread is converted to body and wine the blood of christ.

Yes. When you live in sin, you are not supposed to partake in the feast. You know what you need to do to become clean, and forgiveness is very much at hand. If you chose to live in sin, why do you want to receive the holy communion, which is meant for the repentant sinners only?

Its like being told the fare from here to London is 1000 bucks and you still insist you want to go and you do not have the fare. Earn the fare/passage first, then claim the journey. No one will deny you.

[ATLian]

Originally Posted by jasakwa

I have witnessed some brothers and sisters refraining from pertaking the holy sacrament just because their marriage is not officially recorgnised by church.

Kwani guys take sacrament because they are married? Marriage is not a prerequisite to taking the sacrament. I took sacrament for years after I got confirmed, which happened (confirmation) when I was a primo kid.

[grip_daddy]

Jasakwa you'll need to first of all establish whether come we stay is sin or not. According to me, marriage is determined at sexual encounter so if come we stay is mutually binding, to God the two are one flesh already.

But the church must recognise such an arrangement to sync with the statement "what you shall bind on earth, shall be bound in heaven..."

[jasakwa]

Originally Posted by grip_daddy

Jasakwa you'll need to first of all establish whether come we stay is sin or not. According to me, marriage is determined at sexual encounter so if come we stay is mutually binding, to God the two are one flesh already.

But the church must recognise such an arrangement to sync with the statement "what you shall bind on earth, shall be bound in heaven..."

I agree grip,come we stay is not a sin if they are faithful to eachother and to God.The instruction that was given stated that a man shall leave his mother and father and the two shall be joined to become one.
That is why they should not be barred from pertaking the bread and wine in the holy communion or eucharist.

[reggie_woic]

it is a sin to take the sacrament when in a state of any sin (i don't think venial sins count here though).
that's why catholics are encouraged to take the sacrament after confession..

[grip_daddy]

Originally Posted by jasakwa

I agree grip,come we stay is not a sin if they are faithful to eachother and to God.The instruction that was given stated that a man shall leave his mother and father and the two shall be joined to become one.

True that. But speaking from a Church's perspective, marriage Institution must be honoured, valued, and protected. To this end, most churches generally recommend membership unions in an open ceremony termed as wedding. When a God ordained Pastor, Bishop, or Clergy presides over such unions, the covenant is also recognised
in heaven. I do not see why two mature, respected and sound adults would choose to forfeit the Church's recommendations, unless they have something to hide.

That is why they should not be barred from pertaking the bread and wine in the holy communion or eucharist.

In essence they should not be barred, but what precedence would that set? People practice come we stay for diverse reasons most of which have sinful intents. Allowing the presumed guiltless to partake of the Holy Communion would encourage marital dishonour and confusion. A lot of perversion is deemed thus societal disorder.

Restriction meted on marriage by the Church are some of the laws meant to give guidance for harmonious existence of individuals in the society, same as the allowance given for divorce.

[jasakwa]

Originally Posted by ATLian

Kwani guys take sacrament because they are married? Marriage is not a prerequisite to taking the sacrament. I took sacrament for years after I got confirmed, which happened (confirmation) when I was a primo kid.

So you were catho before defecting to atheism?You still broke the catholic rules by taking sacrament before confirmation.which brings me to the next question what mortivated you to pertake of it?

[Wamax74.]

Originally Posted by ATLian

Kwani guys take sacrament because they are married? Marriage is not a prerequisite to taking the sacrament. I took sacrament for years after I got confirmed, which happened (confirmation) when I was a primo kid.

You must have been taking it as food, and am sure it left you very hungry.

By the way, which sacrament do you mean? The sacrament of annointing of the sick or the holy matrimony? Maybe the sacrament of the dead?

[ATLian]

Originally Posted by jasakwa

So you were catho before defecting to atheism?You still broke the catholic rules by taking sacrament before confirmation.which brings me to the next question what mortivated you to pertake of it?

You totally misunderstood me.

I was protestant, not Catholic. In the protestant church, before you take sacrament, you first have to get confirmed. I got confirmed in primo, and every Sunday I'd walk up with to the altar with my paros and take sacrament. So I don't know where you're coming from with your last 2 sentences.