[Jamalanga]

It is commonly assumed that jesus christ died on friday and was resurrected on sunday morning..the reasoning then follows that we should now keep the sabath on sunday in honour of the ressurection.this reasoning however is unscriptural.the only sign jesus gave to show that he was the messiah,was that he would be three days and three nights in the grave.jesus said,"an evil and adulterous nation seeks after a sign:and there shall no sign be given to it,but the sign of the prophet jonas:for as jonas was three days and three nights in the whales´s belly:so shall the son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.".(mathew 12:39-40) jonah 1:17 "and jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights" john 11:9-10.jesus,words. "are there not twelve hours in a day?...but if a man walk in the night,he stumbles,because the light is not in him". (72 hours in the tomb )wait a moment,you can not fit three days and three nights into the timeframe of a friday afternoon death and a sunday morning ressurection????. If jesus was killed on friday,counting three days and three nights would dictate a monday,late afternoon ressurection. Mark,8:31 "and he began to teach them,that the son of man must suffer many things,and be rejected of the elders,and of the chief priests, and the scribes,and be killed, and after three days rise again." if christ was not in the grave for three days and three nights,he would have contradicted the only sign he gave..1corinthians 15:3-4(confirms that jesus was in the grave for 72hours,)(three days (3x12 hours) is 36hours.three nghts (3x12hours) is 36 hours... " for i delivered unto you first of all that which i also recieved,how that christ died for our sins according to the scriptures,and that he was buried,and that he rose again the third day. Since sunday fits nowhere in the scriptures,were there two sabaths in the week jesus was crucified???? the bible, mentioned that the crucifixion occurred on the preparation day before the sabath,(matt,27:62 mark 15:42)the sabath spoken of in this context was not a weekly saturday sabath. The sabath mentioned here was an annual festival sabath.see.(john19:31) leviticus, mentions annual days which were also called sabaths.( 16:31,23:24 26-32,39) what a doctrine.(-sun day)day of the sun???????????.

[ndigila]

2 errors:

1) You're assuming that three days and three nights automatically assumes 72 hours. This is not the case since the bible also records that he rose on the third day.

2) There's a different way in which days were measured. The pattern established in Genesis is that evening comes before the morning, in modern day, morning comes before the evening. So the pattern was Friday, night of Saturday, Saturday, night of Sunday, and Sunday.

If Sunday was the day of the Sun, then isn't Saturday day of Saturn? According to Philo, the Sabbath is based off of lunar months, so it may not necessarily fall on every Saturday.

[grip_daddy]

Ndigila - The weekly circle does not follow any calendar chosen.

Jamalanga - What is your understanding of Luke 23 where the women rested on Sabbath according to the commandment? When did the first day fall if not on the Jewish first day as found in the resurrection stories?

[ndigila]

Originally Posted by grip_daddy

Ndigila - The weekly circle does not follow any calendar chosen.

It does, Grip. The modern day weekly cycle is independent of the lunar cycle which is why the full moon falls on different nights of the month. The calendar the Israelites used to calculate the sabbath depended on the lunar cycle. (i.e. seven days after the full moon, and seven days after that etc) If you calculate the Sabbath using this method, the Sabbath would fall on the 8th, 15th, 22nd and 29th of every (lunar) month. These dates do not always fall on a Saturday.

[grip_daddy]

Ndigila,

Weekly cycle rely on creation days and not seasonal observations that depend on new moon. The days numbered 1st to 7th were sunset to sunset and Jews still observe them likewise to date.

But you are right on your explanation.

[ndigila]

Originally Posted by grip_daddy

Ndigila,

Weekly cycle rely on creation days and not seasonal observations that depend on new moon. The days numbered 1st to 7th were sunset to sunset and Jews still observe them likewise to date.

Yes and No.

The day numbered 1st was dependent on the new moon. The sabbath fell six days after the new moon, and the next sabbath seven days after and so on, so it's not necessarily always on a Saturday. The modern day Jews keep the sunset to sunset days, but according to the Gregorian calender and not according to the lunar calender which the ancient Israelites used when the Sabbath was instituted.

[Jamalanga]

Originally Posted by grip_daddy

Ndigila - The weekly circle does not follow any calendar chosen.

Jamalanga - What is your understanding of Luke 23 where the women rested on Sabbath according to the commandment? When did the first day fall if not on the Jewish first day as found in the resurrection stories?

Yes.Grip the scripture says ,it was the first day of the week,when Jesus came out of the grave.There is nothing stronger than the scriptures where the word of God is concerned.....

[Tripple Seven]

From the Bible sciptures and prophecies, could Jesus have arisen on any other day other than the day that he rose from the dead?

[Heretic]

Originally Posted by Jamalanga

Yes.Grip the scripture says ,it was the first day of the week,when Jesus came out of the grave.There is nothing stronger than the scriptures where the word of God is concerned.....

The strength of scripture varies. Most of the posts in this thread take the Bible at face value. The Bible twice warns that it has been altered. The first place is Matthew 13:33 which reads, "Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened." A second place is Luke 13:21 which reads, "It is like leaven, which a woman took and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened."

This situation causes the question: in addition to the warning about alterations, was a way provided to remove the alterations? Yes. The way is thrice mentioned. The first mention is at Deuteronomy 19:15 which reads, "One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established. The second mention is at Matthew 18:16 which reads, "But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established." The third mention is at 2 Corinthians 13:1 which reads, "This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established." Their commonality, which is the way to remove the alterations, reads, "In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established."

This way has been applied to the first four books of the so-called New Testament, and is being applied elsewhere in the Bible. The results are available for inspection at This Good Riddle

To summarize: 1- the premise that the entire Bible is the word of God has been shown to be false; 2- the actual word of God is now available for discussion; 3 - discussions about the actual word of God can therefore replace the discussions about the altered word of God.

As to the discussion about the day on which the resurrection took place, an examination of the established testimony shows that it took place on Sunday, before dawn, before the women came to the tomb.

[grip_daddy]

Ndigila,

Some readings and logics do not agree with your reasoning of Lunar days. I'll state the logics here, and maybe if you are interested, I give links later for your reading.

The days if numbered according to your proposition, would be something like this:

If the new moon was spotted today, this day would be 1st. Since the next new moon would appear approximately after 28 to 30 days, the week would not be consisted for the new month. Let's assume the next new moon would be spotted on day 30.

On week one, Sabbath would be on 7th day, 14th day on week two, 21st on week three and then 28th on week four. Since the seventh day of week four falls on 28th, 29th will correspond with 1st day of week five. Then on 30th the new moon is spotted making that day be 1st day of a new month. This then will mean that week five (same week as week 1 of the new month) had two 1st days. These types of coincidences never occured in history. There never was any week with two Sundays (or any other days) in one week as your reasoning presupposes.

What actually happened was the numbering of the days of the month and not of the weeks, just as we have today. The difference between Lunar calender and Gregorian calender is on how they start the numbering of the months (not weeks); with one system relying on the appearance of the new moon, whereas the other system (both Gregorian and Justinian) relying on presumed number of days in a year (365 days and 6 hours) with which the number of days in predetermined months were established.

Basically the weekly cycle has nothing to do with type of calender used to determine the days of a month.