[reggie_woic]

see title.

brief answers only please.

[grip_daddy]

Read Ecclesiastes 12:13

[ATLian]

Originally Posted by reggie_woic

see title.

brief answers only please.

Because he's an egomaniac!

[ATLian]

Originally Posted by grip_daddy

Read Ecclesiastes 12:13

It reads Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

Reggie's question is WHY is this the duty of man?

[grip_daddy]

If you can create, and you have free resources to create, and you want to create, for any reason whatsoever, what is the creatures' problem?

Why the hell do you ask for reasons God is exercising His powers? You couldn't have asked that question if He didn't create man, could you?

[grip_daddy]

Reggie's question is WHY is this the duty of man?

What could be the answer given to robots why their end duties are tailored to serve man? To keep man's commandments?

To benefit man, right? Computers and robots are not made for their own benefits, but we love them still, dont we?

We use them for our selfish ends, but care for them. Destroy them when need be etc.

I think God benefits from us in myriad ways some of which are beyond our understanding.

[Muhammad_4]

Almighty God, the creator who has the knowledge to design, to proportion, who has created everythings and is responsible for maintaining all of these, is the only one that is deserving our praise and gratitude.
If I gave each one of you here in Mashada Forum a $100 for no reasons, you would at least say thank you. What about your eyes, your kidney, your brain, your life, your birth, your children – what about that? Who gave you that? Is He not worthy of praise and thanks? Is He not worthy of your worship and recognition?
Allah the all mighty said to us in the Qur’an: “I have not created the Jinn (the spirit) nor the human beings for any other purpose except to worship me”. This what the almighty says. So our purpose of this life is to recognize the creator, to be grateful to the creator, to worship the creator, to surrender ourselves to the creator and to obey the laws that He decided for us.
In a nutshell it means worship. This is our purpose on this life. And whatever we do in the course of that worship, that system, the eating, the drinking, the dressing, the working; all of these are just consequential but we have been created to worship.
That’s the purpose of our life. I don’t think that anyone who is scientific or analytical, they won’t have much argument with that purpose. They may have some other purpose within themselves. But that’s something they have to deal with between themselves and all mighty God.

[ATLian]

I think the whole god and religion thing is just rubbish. Think about this. God existed in perfection for billions upon billions of years. What about that state didn't he like that he decided to create human beings? What caused him to imperfect his perfect position.

Anyway, after creating a universe that is so great that it defies comprehension, he put human beings on one little planet. Of what purpose are those planets billions of light years away circling stars in galaxies that we will never see? What purpose do the beautiful natural wonders in those planets serve?

After creating the earth, he created conditions that would cause man to really suffer, and millions to die in agony. I still do not understand what his thought process was when he created the thousands of pathogens that cause so much pain and suffering in the world every day.

When it's all said and done, he will come for a few thousands of those billions of humans, take them to heaven, then doom the others to hell where they will burn forever. Can you imagine burning daily but never dying forever! So 50 billion years from now, after billions in hell have been burning and burning and crying to god every second for salvation, this all-merciful god will just shrug his shoulders and watch them burn for another billions upon billions of years.

As for those lucky enough to go to heaven, you will spend the rest of your life doing nothing but worshipping and glorifying god. You'll spend every single second kissing his a.ss, reminding him how great and glorious he is, praising his wisdom for sending your father, mother, siblings, wife and kids to hell but rescuing your soul, etc. You will thank him inflicting you with cancer that took 4 years of undescribeable pain to destroy you, because it was his wise and wondrous way of teaching you fortitude. When you bump into Hitler in heaven, you will tell god how forgiving he is for having cleansed out all the sins Hitler did. Then you will tell god he is truly a great god for burning in hell forever a good man whose only sin was he was born a Hindu. You will sings hymns until you're hoarse, clap your hands until you have athritis, dance until you break your legs, all in his praise. Then because that is heaven, those conditions will be ehaled and you will do it over and over again. Forever and ever and ever.

And this - the burning in hell plus the kissing of his a.ss ad nauseum - is what will please god immeasurably, and it was the reason he created man.

Honestly, how can a rational man believe such garbage?

[grip_daddy]

Honestly, how can a rational man believe such garbage?

Because none of your stated garbage is true.

1. Man will not burn in hell for billions of years. The misconception is in the phrase "everlasting fire", or "eternal damnation", or "hell". Actually all the phrases just mean "second death." Man will die forever...not live forever in some eternal torment. Deeper bible scrutiny reveals that the concept of burning forever was a perpetration of the Edenic lie which said, "you shall not surely die...but you will be like gods, knowing good and evil". Haven't you wondered that a concept of soul in paradise is like a god having some form of superior knowledge? Historic studies also reveal that such a concept was borrowed from Babylonian mythology...hence the three frogs of Revelation 16.

2. Man will have a thousand years to inquire, scrutinise, see, understand and then justify the exclusion of those who will never make it to heaven from being part of everlasting life. During this one thousand years, the hard questions you have been asking here will be satisfactorily answered beyond further probing, giving reasons to be happy serving God forever, and also accepting the fate of your father and mother who will be dead (I mean dead like a stone).

3. Those who will be living forever will presume normal life's activities as was supposed to be in Eden before sin. Normal interactions with the animals, farming, quest for further knowledge, neighbourhood, friendship, discussions, sharing, loving, specialization in various fields, politics and leadership, and worship (see Isaiah 65:17 onwards). Actually man will be worshipping God once in a week (see Isaiah 66:22,23) every Sabbath.

Otherwise, why are you ATLian, willing to live tomorrow? What if that reason that drives you to live was provided for all eternity but now without sickness, no wars, no hunger, no boredom, no any kind of ill?

One thing I know, the beauty of God has been misrepresented by the apparent confusion in theology.

[reggie_woic]

ok...did it occur to anyone that we ought to do those things not because he needs it, but because he deserves it?