[grip_daddy]

Arguably the new dispensation (church age), among other things, do not live under the law. This same church age uphold nine commandments (laws) but directly forfeitting the essence of Sabbath rest as was exemplified by God immediately after the six days of creation. The same church age mentors and followers have stuck to a seven day week and not other, always maintaining Saturday as the seventh day. Why not rest on this day? What is wrong by working six days and having your rest as was done by the Israelites?

To non religious people, why do you think a week has over the years maintained a seven day period? How did this time limit originate?

[Type R]

I believe Sunday as a rest day has its roots in "paganism", and when "Pagans" adopted Christianity, they brought along their "pagan" culture and fused it with Christianity. Christmas and "Mother Jesus" worship has a similar origin in Mid-east/Asian religions.

Ancient mathematicians had a fascination with the number 7. It was/is a very unique number. If you try to establish patterns and a systems to 7 and its multiples, you get nowhere. Maybe this is the source of the seven day week, which is extremely old and precedes the Bible or even Mid East Hebrew culture...

[grip_daddy]

If you try to establish patterns and a systems to 7 and its multiples, you get nowhere. Maybe this is the source of the seven day week, which is extremely old and precedes the Bible or even Mid East Hebrew culture...

Moses is said to have authored the book of Genesis while at his father in law's home. At the same time it is believed he penned down the story of Job even before writing the book of Genesis, meaning that Job is the oldest biblical book. Job has some complex numbers i.e. 10, 12, and 7.

At this time, it is understood that the seven day week had been in existence for thousands of years.

About the mystery of number seven (and other ancient complexities in astrology), how did man come to fathom them? The bible attributes the origin of such complex systems to the Diety,

[Type R]

Originally Posted by grip_daddy

At this time, it is understood that the seven day week had been in existence for thousands of years.

About the mystery of number seven (and other ancient complexities in astrology), how did man come to fathom them? The bible attributes the origin of such complex systems to the Diety,

I just did a wikipedia check on "week" ... places its origin in Babylon/Sumer or the earlier civilization of Egypt. Remember, the Israelites/Hebrews were slaves in these kingdoms so they picked up the cultural basis when creating theirs.

About seven (base 10, ie number of fingers on hands), think of numbers 1-9: -

* all multiples of 1 and 2 end with a digit that is wholly divisible by the respective number

* all multiples of 3, when you add the digits together, you get a number divisible by 3 (eg 6 x 8 = 48; 4 + 8 = 12 which is divisible by three)

* all multiples of 4 end with either 0, 2, 4, 8, all wholly divisible by 2. similar case for multiples of 6 and 9, ie 3. and multiples of 8, ie 2.

* all multiples of 5 end with either 5 or 0.

That covers 1,2,3,4,5,6,8 and 9.

The number 7 is the odd man out. Try your best getting patterns and predictables, you'll go nowhere. This mystery perplexed ancient mathematicians... It was henceforth declared a "holy" number...containing the unfathomable power of gods..

Ancient Egyptians and Babylonians were incredible mathematicians, mainly as they tried to understand outer space (astrology, astronomy)...

see ya kesho, gotta go...

[reggie_woic]

God: open 24 hours, Saturdays only
God: open 24 hours, Sundays only

absurd, isn't it?

[ndigila]

Originally Posted by grip_daddy

Arguably the new dispensation (church age), among other things, do not live under the law. This same church age uphold nine commandments (laws) but directly forfeitting the essence of Sabbath rest as was exemplified by God immediately after the six days of creation. The same church age mentors and followers have stuck to a seven day week and not other, always maintaining Saturday as the seventh day. Why not rest on this day? What is wrong by working six days and having your rest as was done by the Israelites?

To non religious people, why do you think a week has over the years maintained a seven day period? How did this time limit originate?

Sunday worship was a tradition established by the apostles to commemorate Christ's resurrection.

[grip_daddy]

Originally Posted by ndigila

Sunday worship was a tradition established by the apostles to commemorate Christ's resurrection.

There are many instances where the Apostles gathered to worship on the Sabbath than on the first day of the week. Actually the only gathering they had on the first day of the week was an extension (after midnight) of Sabbath worship.

[ndigila]

Originally Posted by grip_daddy

There are many instances where the Apostles gathered to worship on the Sabbath than on the first day of the week. Actually the only gathering they had on the first day of the week was an extension (after midnight) of Sabbath worship.

Grip, the the church fathers disagree with you. St Ignatius of Antioch's Letter to the Magnesians, St Justin the Martyr's First Apology and Tertullian's An answer to the Jews are examples of early Church elders who wrote about Sunday worship as a normal practice.

[grip_daddy]

Originally Posted by ndigila

Grip, the the church fathers disagree with you. St Ignatius of Antioch's Letter to the Magnesians, St Justin the Martyr's First Apology and Tertullian's An answer to the Jews are examples of early Church elders who wrote about Sunday worship as a normal practice.

Normal practice dates back to around 150AD. Which dates were these letters written?

The shift from Sabbath to Sunday followed the widespread of Christianity in some cities such as Rome where pagans used to worship their Sun god on Sunday. In order to win these pagans to Christianity, some preachers reasoned that worshiping on Sunday would give an easy avenue to access these pagans. Late 200AD there was a king (I'll confirm his name) who got converted to Christianity and in 321 (or 323)AD he declared Sunday a national holiday. Accordingly Sunday worship became a normal practice.

[chowkidar]

Originally Posted by grip_daddy

Normal practice dates back to around 150AD. Which dates were these letters written?

The shift from Sabbath to Sunday followed the widespread of Christianity in some cities such as Rome where pagans used to worship their Sun god on Sunday. In order to win these pagans to Christianity, some preachers reasoned that worshiping on Sunday would give an easy avenue to access these pagans. Late 200AD there was a king (I'll confirm his name) who got converted to Christianity and in 321 (or 323)AD he declared Sunday a national holiday. Accordingly Sunday worship became a normal practice.

1. Christians always worshipped on the first day (Sunday)
2. They state that they stopped keeping the Sabbath to worship on Sunday started with the apostles. None of say they kept the seventh day Sabbath. The only mention of Sabbath keeping was by Eusebius in 300 AD by a cult-sect known as the Ebionites, who Eusebius says also worshipped on the first day. (Ebionites were a cult of Judaizers who enforced circumcision, rejected Apostle Paul’s teachings, denied Jesus' virgin birth and his deity.)
3. They partook of the Lord’s Supper (communion) every first day.
4. They called the first day (Sunday) the Lord’s day.
5. They called the day Jesus rose from the dead, the Lord’s Day.
6. They said the reason they worshipped on the first day, was because it was a weekly memorial of the day Jesus rose from the dead!
7. They outright state that no one prior to Moses (Adam, Noah, Abraham etc) ever kept the Sabbath because it was Moses who first gave the Sabbath law and the ten commandments to man!
8. Augustine actually stated that Christians are bound to keep 9 of the ten Commandments [because the New Testament repeats and re-introduces them in a different form] but are free to break the Sabbath!
9. The earliest Christians never considered Sunday to be a rest day or the Sabbath. You will observe that the first mention of Sunday being a day of rest was in 220AD by Origen. This is the beginning of the current false doctrine, that Sunday is the Christian Sabbath, as taught by most churches today.
10. While Sabbatarians will quote 20th century authors who guess about what happened 1900 years earlier, we quote Christians whose writings are 1900 years old and spoke what they saw!

The record of history, from the Resurrection of Christ, Christians have always worshipped on the first day of the week (Sunday) and never on the Sabbath (7th day). Sunday is not a Christian Sabbath or a day of rest, or a holy day to be kept. It is the day God requires all Christians to gather together to worship and eat the Lord's Supper (communion, break bread) Acts 20:7. Christians do not keep the ten commandment law of Moses. This is not to say that Christians are free to steal, murder and commit adultery, just because the 10 commandments have been abolished. No! Christians are under a new law, a better Law, the law of Christ, (Gal 6:2) a better covenant (Heb 8:6-7).