[chowkidar]

Originally Posted by grip_daddy

arguably the new dispensation (church age), among other things, do not live under the law. This same church age uphold nine commandments (laws) but directly forfeitting the essence of sabbath rest as was exemplified by god immediately after the six days of creation. The same church age mentors and followers have stuck to a seven day week and not other, always maintaining saturday as the seventh day. Why not rest on this day? what is wrong by working six days and having your rest as was done by the israelites? to non religious people, why do you think a week has over the years maintained a seven day period? how did this time limit originate?

during the period 30 ce to 313 ce, christians lived in a predominately pagan world. There was a mosaic of pagan religions in the roman empire: the long established, official religion of the roman empire was pagan. It involved worship of -- or at least nominal sacrifices to -- a pantheon of roman deities, both gods and goddesses. A strong competitor to christianity in those days was a third religion: mithraism. This faith involved the worship of a persian god mithra, and was popular among the roman civil service and military. There were many other smaller religions, including the pagan religions of greece and egypt, and the mystery religions. The roman religion and mithraism reserved sunday as their day of religious observance. Many christians were probably tempted to follow suit. The christians were also motivated to change the sabbath day as a method of distancing themselves from the jews. Two reasons were: the government intermittently persecuted the jews at this time; it was safer for christianity to be considered as a separate religion rather than as a sect of judaism. Relations between the jews and christians was hostile at this time. The early christian church had suffered much persecution from the jews. In 321 ce, while a pagan sun-worshiper, the emperor constantine declared that sunday was to be a day of rest throughout the roman empire: "on the venerable day of the sun let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed. In the country however persons engaged in agriculture may freely and lawfully continue their pursuits because it often happens that another day is not suitable for gain-sowing or vine planting; lest by neglecting the proper moment for such operations the bounty of heaven should be lost." the church council of laodicea circa 364 ce ordered that religious observances were to be conducted on sunday, not saturday. Sunday became the new sabbath. They ruled: "christians shall not judaize and be idle on saturday, but shall work on that day." there are many indicators in the historical record that some christians ignored the church's ruling. Sabbath observance was noted in wales as late as 1115 ce. Francis xavier was concerned about sabbath worship in goa, india in 1560 ce; he called for the inquisition to set up an office there to stamp out what he called "jewish wickedness". A catholic provincial council suppressed the practice in norway in 1435 ce.

[Type R]

Originally Posted by chowkidar

4. They called the first day (Sunday) the Lord’s day.
5. They called the day Jesus rose from the dead, the Lord’s Day.

Jesus, crucified and buried on Friday (Jews tried to beat Sabbath deadline for dismounting body and burial), dead three days and three nights. Haya, back to school: -

* 1st day+night: Fri night/Sat pre-dawn, Saturday daytime
* 2nd day+night: Sat night/Sun pre-dawn, Sunday daytime
* 3rd day+night: Sun night/Mon pre-dawn, Monday daytime

Jesus resurrected on Monday jioni (presuming story is true, anyway). This Sunday stuff is legendary crap, just like Christmas!

You heard it first on Mashada!

By the way, I hear even Hajj, the Muslim pilgrimage, has secular cultural roots.

[ndigila]

Originally Posted by grip_daddy

Normal practice dates back to around 150AD. Which dates were these letters written?

The authors matter more than the date of the letters. St Ignatius of Antioch and St Justin the Martyr were both disciples of the Apostle John.

[ndigila]

Originally Posted by Type R

Haya, back to school: -

* 1st day+night: Fri night/Sat pre-dawn, Saturday daytime
* 2nd day+night: Sat night/Sun pre-dawn, Sunday daytime
* 3rd day+night: Sun night/Mon pre-dawn, Monday daytime

Jesus resurrected on Monday jioni (presuming story is true, anyway). This Sunday stuff is legendary crap, just like Christmas!

The cycle of the day in those times is calculated having the beginning with sunset (just like the way in Swa we say 6 pm is saa kumi na mbili). So the 'night of sunday' is what we in this day and age would call Saturday night. Also you have to understand that the three days and three nights are spoken of in parts and not in their entirety.

So the cycle is like this: he was dead on Friday, all of Saturday and the night of Sunday.

[grip_daddy]

Type R,

The resurrection is recorded (even by early Jews historians) to have occured on the first day of the week. His death on the other hand occurred on the sixth day at 3 pm and considering official counting methods (listen when the president of Kenya will visit another state for lets say three days), He died for three days and three nights but less than 72 hours.

[reggie_woic]

Jesus resurrected on Monday jioni (presuming story is true, anyway). This Sunday stuff is legendary crap, just like Christmas!

Saturday, Sunday or Monday, HE DIED AND RUSSURECTED!!! lets see you try it.
just glad to see no one is arguing that He's God.
carry on..

[Type R]

Revisionism to accommodate worship of the pagan goddess Eostre.

wiki: -

"The ecclesiastical historian Socrates Scholasticus (b. 380) attributes the observance of Easter by the church to the perpetuation of local custom, "just as many other customs have been established," stating that neither Jesus nor his Apostles enjoined the keeping of this or any other festival."

[Jamalanga]

Dan 7.25 says of the little horn, "He shall think to change times and the law. "
The second commandment forbidding image worship has been dropped from the law. and the 4th commandment a day of worship that was blessed by the almighty, has been changed to sunday.
And the holy bible points to the seventh day, and not to the first, as the Lords day, said Jesus, "the son of man is also lord of the sabath" The 4th commandment declares: "The 7th day is the sabath of the lord,".Isaiah 58:13 the Lord designates it: "my holy day"
There is no evidence from the bible , supporting the change of sabath to sunday.Roman catholics acknowledge that the change of sabath was made by their church,as a "sign or mark" of authority, of their church,
Traditions of the church vs the laws of God.
Mathew 5:17 Jesus words,"Do not think that i came to abolish the law or the prophet"18 until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, will by any means disappear from the law.says the psalmist "Forever ,O Lord,Thy word is settled in heaven," "All his commandments are sure.They stand first forever and ever" pslams 119:89;111:7,8 Ex 20:8-11 the day was blessed and hallowed by the Almighty.Paul the apostle declares," as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law in the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus christ".and he says," the doers of the law shall be justified."Romans 2:12-16.Eccl12:13 fear God and keep his commandments,for this is the whole duty of man,1John5:3 Prov28:9 he that turneth his ear from hearing the law,even his prayer shall be an abomination.James2.10 for whoever keeps the whole law yet stumbles at one point is guilty for breaking all of it.Rev 13 gives a good contrast of those keeping the commandments of God and the faith of christ, and on the other hand are those that are worshipping the beast and his image.

[ndigila]

Originally Posted by Jamalanga

Dan 7.25 says of the little horn, "He shall think to change times and the law. "
The second commandment forbidding image worship has been dropped from the law. and the 4th commandment a day of worship that was blessed by the almighty, has been changed to sunday.
And the holy bible points to the seventh day, and not to the first, as the Lords day, said Jesus, "the son of man is also lord of the sabath" The 4th commandment declares: "The 7th day is the sabath of the lord,".Isaiah 58:13 the Lord designates it: "my holy day"
There is no evidence from the bible , supporting the change of sabath to sunday.Roman catholics acknowledge that the change of sabath was made by their church,as a "sign or mark" of authority, of their church,
Traditions of the church vs the laws of God.
Mathew 5:17 Jesus words,"Do not think that i came to abolish the law or the prophet"18 until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, will by any means disappear from the law.says the psalmist "Forever ,O Lord,Thy word is settled in heaven," "All his commandments are sure.They stand first forever and ever" pslams 119:89;111:7,8 Ex 20:8-11 the day was blessed and hallowed by the Almighty.Paul the apostle declares," as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law in the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus christ".and he says," the doers of the law shall be justified."Romans 2:12-16.Eccl12:13 fear God and keep his commandments,for this is the whole duty of man,1John5:3 Prov28:9 he that turneth his ear from hearing the law,even his prayer shall be an abomination.James2.10 for whoever keeps the whole law yet stumbles at one point is guilty for breaking all of it.Rev 13 gives a good contrast of those keeping the commandments of God and the faith of christ, and on the other hand are those that are worshipping the beast and his image.

So why the ten commandments and not the other 600+ laws?

[grip_daddy]

Originally Posted by ndigila

So why the ten commandments and not the other 600+ laws?

Why were the ten commandments the only ones given to the Israelites via speech, voice, and on one on one without human mediator? Everyone hearing for himself, seeing the lightening, and the might displayed during the solemn declaration of the ten commandments?

It must have meant special place and message those ten laws occupied over the others. What do you think?