[ndigila]

Originally Posted by ATLian

There was no Holy Spirit guiding them. A bunch of old white Catholic men decided which books to put in the Bible through a voting process. Over the years they voted some more books out, and added others, until finally we had the 66 books that we now have. They had their motives ofcourse e.g. when they decided that celibacy was the way to go for Catholic leaders, they had to remove all the books that showed Christ being married etc.

What do you think the criteria was used during the voting process?

Not all of them were Catholic. Infact, the Bishop of Rome was probably the only "Roman Catholic" involved. Besides, if they tried to put forward the celibacy issue they didn't do a good job because there's bible verses that support clerical marriage.

[al-zalzalah]

Originally Posted by grip_daddy

Oh you were talking about legend. I refuse to believe.

1. grip, if you're gonna believe the legend recorded in genesis, then why not the one that came down to us through oral history ?

2. someone tell me, how is it that christians took over the legacy of the jews (scriptures and the rest) and then became the authorities on how to interpret them? classic case of camel being invited into tent and kicking mwenyeji out.

[grip_daddy]

Originally Posted by al-zalzalah

1. grip, if you're gonna believe the legend recorded in genesis, then why not the one that came down to us through oral history ?

2. someone tell me, how is it that christians took over the legacy of the jews (scriptures and the rest) and then became the authorities on how to interpret them? classic case of camel being invited into tent and kicking mwenyeji out.

It has to do with Jesus and the privilege given to his followers to be the depository of God's plans for mankind. This so termed legend of the Jews (Hebrews) that still remains with them are (maybe) not necessary contents of the God's plan of salvation.

[YB*]

Originally Posted by grip_daddy

Lucifer is presented in the bible as a creature and cannot have the power to give life.

All life comes from God including Satan's life, and this argument about Adamah is inconsistent with principle presented in the bible that only God can create life.

Men sat down and edited a Jewish legend and we call their edit the final word, yet we edited volumes written and used by Jews/hebrews for years.

Only God can give life!! thats a debatable statement depending on what you believe God to be, why do we find it hard to want to believe that their is a very real chance that Satan is Gods equal in many things, despite the very many in-your-face evidence.

Why cant God destroy him Satan?? Why does he rival with him/her on an equal footing?? (refer to the many posts on this subject).

As you can see with the editions (if they are true) the first lie was to create an unequal and unpararelled God, despite the fact that the very books Genesis was hewn from gave a clear indication that satan did give life!!!

[YB*]

Originally Posted by ndigila

What do you think the criteria was used during the voting process?

Not all of them were Catholic. Infact, the Bishop of Rome was probably the only "Roman Catholic" involved. Besides, if they tried to put forward the celibacy issue they didn't do a good job because there's bible verses that support clerical marriage.

Ndigila, It does not matter who the pope was, in this era, the papacy was a political seat and not a religious one, actually it was almost hereditary like the ordinary kingdom crowns, run by Italian families, popes were deposed and others were proclaimed, there is nothing holy about the 'Holy Catholic church' nothing at all, and there is nothing holy or true about the edited "old testament" nothing at all

A simple google search will open your eyes to the true nature of the papacy, and the absurd intrigues, then maybe you can start appreciating why the old testament will forever remain a controversy

[Ebony *Dyme*]

Originally Posted by grip_daddy

Lucifer is presented in the bible as a creature and cannot have the power to give life.

All life comes from God including Satan's life, and this argument about Adamah is inconsistent with principle presented in the bible that only God can create life.

Lucifer was not just a creature, he possessed a lot of wisdom and knowledge, your comment about Satan's life being from God depends on whether you view the snake in the garden of Eden as Lucifer or not.

it does not state anywhere in Genesis that the snake is Lucifer/Satan/devil.

bible is partly made up of metaphors and proverbs, interpreting literally is not always the best way because there is a lot of hidden meanings that require advanced understanding. there is also a lot of information that is missing from the bible, for example part of the life of Jesus and other prophets, why?

interpretation of the bible without understanding the true meanings can lead to confusion which a lot of pastors/priests do, because they only focus their attention on the bible itself and fail to look at other external sources that give the bible more meaning. and these sources have to include the books that were not included in the final word and also historical data.

[ndigila]

Originally Posted by YB*

Ndigila, It does not matter who the pope was, in this era, the papacy was a political seat and not a religious one, actually it was almost hereditary like the ordinary kingdom crowns, run by Italian families, popes were deposed and others were proclaimed, there is nothing holy about the 'Holy Catholic church' nothing at all, and there is nothing holy or true about the edited "old testament" nothing at all

A simple google search will open your eyes to the true nature of the papacy, and the absurd intrigues, then maybe you can start appreciating why the old testament will forever remain a controversy

When the New Testament was being canonized the concept of the papacy hadn't been fully developed yet. It wasn't until the councils of Toledo did the Bishop of Rome start declaring himself to have authority over the Bishops of the other churches.

[mkenya asili]

I like this thread because. I can see dirty linen being washed in public read the quran the last revelation.

[missed call]

Originally Posted by chowkidar

Genesis 1:27
God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
The first woman to be created was LILITH. Eve was created as in
Genesis 2:20-22 : And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him. And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

there are two creation accounts, chapter one and chapter two. chapter one gives the analytical chronology of the creation. the summary of what happened which day.
on chapter two, the details of what happened on the sixth day is now given. i guess its coz God really needed to explain to man how exactly he created him, and how important man is. read and re-read Gen 2:4-9. that explains it all.

[infinitepyro]

Originally Posted by missed call

there are two creation accounts, chapter one and chapter two. chapter one gives the analytical chronology of the creation. the summary of what happened which day.
on chapter two, the details of what happened on the sixth day is now given. i guess its coz God really needed to explain to man how exactly he created him, and how important man is. read and re-read Gen 2:4-9. that explains it all.

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