[infinitepyro]

Originally Posted by grip_daddy

There are a lot of Hebrew written materials that were rejected when LXX or rather the Septugent bible (the bible that formed the basis of Jerome's work and later on King James bible) was compiled. It is believed that the compilation of LXX and even the King James Bible was directly guided by the Holy Spirit thereby restricting me to accept it as the entire word of God.

Some of the materials that were discarded were later on included by Catholic scholars (members of the Jesuits) to give the Catholic complete bible including such books as the Tobit making pleasurable the Catholic dogma. So I still refuse to believe on Legends outside of the biblical canon as contained in King James Bible.

Yes, all quite true but you see that is your belief and scholars offer no bias to belief in their studies. Their studies are concise n based solely on fact and factual deduction.

Secondly, the KJV was a very radicle translation of the bible even in those days n it truly is sad how all translations today r based on that 1 translation such tht if any mistakes were made as that version was being hurriedly scribed, they(the mistakes) would be shadowed in all bibles currently in existence.

[ndigila]

Originally Posted by grip_daddy

Some of the materials that were discarded were later on included by Catholic scholars (members of the Jesuits) to give the Catholic complete bible including such books as the Tobit making pleasurable the Catholic dogma.

Some corrections in order. The Septuagint did contain the Apocrypha (Tobit, Wisdom, Maccabees etc). The Pharisees had a council of Jamnia in 90 A.D. and removed the Apocrypha from their canon.

[faiyyy]

Originally Posted by chowkidar

Genesis 1:27
God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
The first woman to be created was LILITH. Eve was created as in
Genesis 2:20-22 : And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him. And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

What Gen 1:27 means is that God created Adam in his own image, Adam being reffered to as him, animals had been created male and female, being reffered to as them. Two different things are being reffered to here.

[chowkidar]

Originally Posted by infinitepyro

Actually chowkidar(sp?), the 2nd wife remained nameless. Eve was only the third.

For those who refuse to believe this 'legend' look at it this way, the creation story/stories in the bible are in essence legends too and by scholarly argument the biblical accounts should or rather can be viewed as just a bit of the whole Hebrew legend of Lilith and the sexual positions n stuf.

When Adam was created from dust, both a male and female were created at that time (Ge 1:27, 2:6-7, 5:2). This female (whom is Lilith) was nominally named Adamah (Ge 5:2). Adamah was created from the soil at the same time as Adam, but whereas Adam was created from dry dust and animated by the breath of Jehovah, Adamah was created from wet soil and animated by a Satanic mist that broke through the ground and watered Adamah’s prepared body. This preemptive mist animated her in the image of Lucifer’s spirit instead of God’s (Ge 2:6). This ruined Adamah for God’s purpose of having her be a suitable helpmeet for Adam, being created from undefiled dust and the breath of God, just like Adam. Adamah was not fully human, but was rather considered the supreme beast of the field, that is an animal (Ge 3:1). This was because she was not created in the image of God like Adam (Ge 1:27). Rather, she was animated of Lucifer and bore his image. The Genesis text insinuates that the female Adamah had come to curse the earth, whereas the male Adam had come to bring remembrance of Jehovah’s inheritance to the earth (Ge 1:27). It flatly states that with the creation of this male and female two rival generations were being established – one the generations of the heavens and the other the generations of the earth (Ge 2:4-7). The generations of the heavens would be those of Adam (and Eve) animated by the breath of Jehovah and imbued with his image. The generations of the earth would be those of Adamah and the Satanic spirits of the mist which animated her. These spirits of the mist, the source of complaining voices of the field, came to exist in the earth after God’s initial creation of Earth, but before Adam’s creation. They came to exist after God rained these spirits down upon the earth as a curse. This probably refers to God’s casting down of Lucifer and his host to the earth after Lucifer’s failed rebellion.

[chowkidar]

Originally Posted by ndigila

Chowkidar, i'm not sure you answered grip's question.

If the man in Genesis 1:27 was Adam, then was Adam created twice since he was also created in Genesis 2?

Ge 1:26-29 (First telling of Adam’s and Lilith’s creation)
Ge 2:4-8 (Second re-telling of Adam’s and Lilith’s creation)
Ge 2:16-24 (Telling of Eve’s creation as a replacement)

[grip_daddy]

Lucifer is presented in the bible as a creature and cannot have the power to give life.

All life comes from God including Satan's life, and this argument about Adamah is inconsistent with principle presented in the bible that only God can create life.

[chowkidar]

Originally Posted by faiyyy

What Gen 1:27 means is that God created Adam in his own image, Adam being reffered to as him, animals had been created male and female, being reffered to as them. Two different things are being reffered to here.

:26-28 We have here the second part of the sixth day's work, the creation of man, which we are in a special manner concerned to take notice of. Observe, That man was made last of all the creatures, which was both an honour and a favour to him: an honour, for the creation was to advance from that which was less perfect, to that which was more so and a favour, for it was not fit he should be lodged in the palace designed for him, till it was completely fitted and furnished for his reception. Man, as soon as he was made, had the whole visible creation before him, both to contemplate, and to take the comfort of. That man's creation was a mere signal act of divine wisdom and power, than that of the other creatures. The narrative of it is introduced with solemnity, and a manifest distinction from the rest. Hitherto it had been said, Let there be light, and Let there be a firmament: but now the word of command is turned into a word of consultation, Let us make man - For whose sake the rest of the creatures were made. Man was to be a creature different from all that had been hitherto made. Flesh and spirit, heaven and earth must be put together in him, and he must be allied to both worlds. And therefore God himself not only undertakes to make, but is pleased so to express himself, as if he called a council to consider of the making of him; Let us make man - The three persons of the Trinity, Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, consult about it, and concur in it; because man, when he was made, was to be dedicated and devoted to Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. That man was made in God's image, and after his likeness; two words to express the same thing. God's image upon man, consists, In his nature, not that of his body, for God has not a body, but that of his soul. The soul is a spirit, an intelligent, immortal spirit, an active spirit, herein resembling God, the Father of spirits, and the soul of the world. In his place and authority. Let us make man in our image, and let him have dominion. As he has the government of the inferior creatures, he is as it were God's representative on earth. Yet his government of himself by the freedom of his will, has in it more of God's image, than his government of the creatures. And chiefly in his purity and rectitude. God's image upon man consists in knowledge, righteousness, and true holiness, Eph 4:24; Col 3:10. He was upright, Ec 7:29. He had an habitual conformity of all his natural powers to the whole will of God. His understanding saw divine things clearly, and there were no errors in his knowledge: his will complied readily and universally with the will of God; without reluctancy: his affections were all regular, and he had no inordinate appetites or passions: his thoughts were easily fixed to the best subjects, and there was no vanity or ungovernableness in them. And all the inferior powers were subject to the dictates of the superior. Thus holy, thus happy, were our first parents, in having the image of God upon them. But how art thou fallen, O son of the morning? How is this image of God upon man defaced! How small are the remains of it, and how great the ruins of it! The Lord renew it upon our souls by his sanctifying grace! That man was made male and female, and blessed with fruitfulness. He created him male and female, Adam and Eve: Adam first out of earth, and Eve out of his side. God made but one male and one female, that all the nations of men might know themselves to be made of one blood, descendants, from one common stock, and might thereby be induced to love one another. God having made them capable of transmitting the nature they had received, said to them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth - Here he gave them, A large inheritance; replenish the earth, in which God has set man to be the servant of his providence, in the government of the inferior creatures, and as it were the intelligence of this orb; to be likewise the collector of his praises in this lower world, and lastly, to be a probationer for a better state. A numerous lasting family to enjoy this inheritance; pronouncing a blessing upon them, in the virtue of which, their posterity should extend to the utmost corners of the earth, and continue to the utmost period of time. That God gave to man a dominion over the inferior creatures, over fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air - Though man provides for neither, he has power over both, much more over every living thing that moveth upon the earth - God designed hereby to put an honour upon man, that he might find himself the more strongly obliged to bring honour to his Maker.

[chowkidar]

Originally Posted by grip_daddy

Lucifer is presented in the bible as a creature and cannot have the power to give life.

All life comes from God including Satan's life, and this argument about Adamah is inconsistent with principle presented in the bible that only God can create life.

I agree with you on this.

[ndigila]

Originally Posted by chowkidar

Ge 1:26-29 (First telling of Adam’s and Lilith’s creation)
Ge 2:4-8 (Second re-telling of Adam’s and Lilith’s creation)
Ge 2:16-24 (Telling of Eve’s creation as a replacement)

Chowkidar, Gen 2:4-8 doesn't account for a woman, it only accounts for the creation of Adam.

[ATLian]

There are a lot of Hebrew written materials that were rejected when LXX or rather the Septugent bible (the bible that formed the basis of Jerome's work and later on King James bible) was compiled. It is believed that the compilation of LXX and even the King James Bible was directly guided by the Holy Spirit thereby restricting me to accept it as the entire word of God.

There was no Holy Spirit guiding them. A bunch of old white Catholic men decided which books to put in the Bible through a voting process. Over the years they voted some more books out, and added others, until finally we had the 66 books that we now have. They had their motives ofcourse e.g. when they decided that celibacy was the way to go for Catholic leaders, they had to remove all the books that showed Christ being married etc.