[Atabong]

Originally Posted by grip_daddy

Witchcraft as a practice exists. What should be argued out is whether the practice is a form of deception, magic trick, mental illusion or real.

As you have said above, one can either accept its reality, be fixed at a middle ground not knowing whether to reject the facts, or just turn the available facts into some kind of psychological disorder resulting from belief in the capability of the illusionated reality of this concept.

Personaly being a believer in the existence of supernatural life form, both good and evil, and with knowledge to the nature and intent of the conflict between these two, do accept not only the existance of witchcraft, but also the power thereof.

I really dont want to go into indepth narration of how the supernaturals interact with human beings as a means to accomplish the end of the said conflict, but would summarily say that the evil life forms use witchcraft as one tool or weapon to achieve their end of the bargain in the conflict.

Minor details and expansion of the subject herein given for discussion will be brought out if the contributions make need for clarifications.

My understanding is that in the past when lightening stroke people blamed witchcraft; today, even after thorough understanding of the scientific background of this natural phenomenon we still have those who'd rather believe that lightning can only strike or kill through the power of witchcraft.

I'll like to fathom why you'd rather believe in the supernatural, in nonetity.

[infinitepyro]

Originally Posted by Kenyan chic

Only in Lagos, Nigeria.

Um, sorry to be the only 1 to inform u sweety but in yo own country theaz plenty of supernatural acts of evil being performed. A good example wud b Paul Ngei's curse against anyone who would dare oppose him politically back in the day. Not until a government sanctioned anti-curse was effected by senior warlocks of the Kamba society did anyone ever defeat Ngei.

Shockingly, or perhaps not, many tribal leaders did this. They blessed thea children or community and invoked curses upon anyone (especially a fellow clansman) whu wud try oppose them. Many of them tho were covered up as fundraisers and other harambee activities so as not to raise suspicion abt 100's of men meetin.

[infinitepyro]

I understand y many of u r referin 2 evil as Satan n good as God but thats just Christianity n christianity doesnt tel us abt spirits like Ambe n Krishna nor does it explain y Islam sez Jiniis built Solomons Temple. The only definite thing in all religions is that thea is evil n thea is good. My belief however is that all these so called spirits r actually the sprirts of men, whether alive or dead.

Shockin realization I made just yesterday, the darker Indians worship Ambe, a nasty extremely powerful goddess. When the coolies were buildin the railway they used 2 work as they pray, a chant actually whereby they'd say 'Haree Ambe' over n over again. (Hail Ambe Hail Ambe) Africans however not knowin this, thot (n stil do) tht this chant was a show of togetherness (HARAMBEE). In all actuality these Indians were invokin Ambe. I believe this is why the Ghost & the Darkness appeared frm nowea. These two lions werent normal n its my belief tht they were possessed.

Demonology/Daimonizomai is spooky fun, dont ya'l think

[youngben]

Originally Posted by Atabong

My understanding is that in the past when lightening stroke people blamed witchcraft; today, even after thorough understanding of the scientific background of this natural phenomenon we still have those who'd rather believe that lightning can only strike or kill through the power of witchcraft.

I'll like to fathom why you'd rather believe in the supernatural, in nonetity.

Atabong, your last sentence vexes me a bit, I am one who believes am a rational being, and given the time (maybe monday) i will travel to the mashada archives and reference a similar thread, that had good contributions.

My issue is the term noneity, i originate from a society in kenya that does not practise witchcraft now, as in post the european, though, they were the fore runners in the practice, even more than the kambas, i have done my empirical research.

Some phenomeneon has been recorded in the media that makes no sense, and that as a seeker of truth, should lead one not to make a conclusion such as noneity, some time back in central africa, apparently there was a lightening strike that struck a football stadium and only hit the opposing team! cameroon i believe, but i could be wrong. In western kenya during burials, there are episodes of rain storms that are restricted to land boundaries (need more testimony on this).

I personally have seen someone pushed, to a wall, pushed up, and contorted physically by people she could see but we could not, i repeat I HAVE SEEN, not 2nd party or 3rd party report.

The issue of black magic and holy spirit came about with christianity, where only one form of spiritual manifestation is believed to be Godly, while all others are the devils (read judaeo christians Vs all others).

Spiritualism exists, case in point, christians will readily accept that judah, jacob, moses, elijah, came into contact with God, i have chosen the above coz they are pre jesus, so the element of christianity is not there, why would you not believe the same of your great grandfather or indians for that matter? Unfortunately this is such a subjective topic that i feel we would end up going in circles defending our positions rather than being rational.

When I have time, nitachangia more, for now, thats my Kobole, coz 2 cents cant buy s.hit.

[Atabong]

Originally Posted by youngben

…Some phenomeneon has been recorded in the media that makes no sense, and that as a seeker of truth, should lead one not to make a conclusion such as noneity, some time back in central africa, apparently there was a lightening strike that struck a football stadium and only hit the opposing team! cameroon i believe, but i could be wrong. In western kenya during burials, there are episodes of rain storms that are restricted to land boundaries (need more testimony on this)…

As a child I always questioned my parents about ghosts existence, and their answer was: ‘mind your questions son, and don’t ask that to some one else cause they may show you’. I also questioned them about Santa Clause and they said Santa exists; like this most of us grow up believing brazen lies.

I remember a story that used to go around that Indians are so powerful in magic that in one particular football match (Narrator not interested in giving details) they scored 90 goals in 90 minutes while playing bare feet.

The trouble with all these witchcraft, ghosts and supernatural existence allegations is that you always hear it in the past tense and the supporters just expect you to take these concocted stories on a De Facto basis. These stories should be told to the laity not to people who got thinking brains.

Originally Posted by youngben

I personally have seen someone pushed, to a wall, pushed up, and contorted physically by people she could see but we could not, i repeat I HAVE SEEN, not 2nd party or 3rd party report..

Pls give more details of this mystry

[jetblack]

just like racism....witchcraft is a state of the mind

[ATLian]

Originally Posted by jetblack

just like racism....witchcraft is a state of the mind

I agree. Only those dumb enough to believe in witchcraft get affected by witchcraft. Just read this below article. This happened in Malawi. There is no way that could happen to an educated couple living in Chicago. It has to happen to some poor and most likely uneducated people living in deep African shags where they all believe in witchcraft.


Man in for 'concealing' ex-wife's private parts
by RABECCA THEU

Chileka Police is keeping in custody a 53-year-old man for concealing his ex-wife's private parts through magic in an effort to bar her and her current husband from having sex.

Chileka Police spokesperson Stella Nkandala yesterday said the suspect, Samuel Mayinga of Malunga Village , Traditional Authority Machinjiri, Blantyre , was arrested on Wednesday last week and has been charged with conduct likely to cause breach of peace.

"Mayinga and his wife divorced in 1997 and the woman got married again. Mayinga has of late been pleading with the woman to take him back but she has been refusing.

"Then Mayinga approached a witchdoctor who gave him a concoction that made it impossible for the woman and her [new] husband to 'sleep' together," said Nkandala.

She said whenever the two wanted to have sex, the woman's private parts would go missing. This went on for a month, prompting the woman to report the matter to the Police, who cautioned Mayinga to reverse his concoction.
"But nothing changed, so Police arrested Mayinga who on Friday pleaded guilty in court.

"He said he did that because he was jealous. He also said the witchdoctor who made him the concoction has since died," said Nkandala.

She said on Saturday, Mayinga, in the company of the Police, went to a bush near his village where he cut roots of almost six trees which, he said, his ex-wife should put in water and drink for three days to reverse her situation.
The Police gave the herbs to the woman who is today expected to report back the outcome of the medicines.

[infinitepyro]

Originally Posted by ATLian

I agree. Only those dumb enough to believe in witchcraft get affected by witchcraft. Just read this below article. This happened in Malawi. There is no way that could happen to an educated couple living in Chicago. It has to happen to some poor and most likely uneducated people living in deep African shags where they all believe in witchcraft.


Man in for 'concealing' ex-wife's private parts
by RABECCA THEU

Chileka Police is keeping in custody a 53-year-old man for concealing his ex-wife's private parts through magic in an effort to bar her and her current husband from having sex.

Chileka Police spokesperson Stella Nkandala yesterday said the suspect, Samuel Mayinga of Malunga Village , Traditional Authority Machinjiri, Blantyre , was arrested on Wednesday last week and has been charged with conduct likely to cause breach of peace.

"Mayinga and his wife divorced in 1997 and the woman got married again. Mayinga has of late been pleading with the woman to take him back but she has been refusing.

"Then Mayinga approached a witchdoctor who gave him a concoction that made it impossible for the woman and her [new] husband to 'sleep' together," said Nkandala.

She said whenever the two wanted to have sex, the woman's private parts would go missing. This went on for a month, prompting the woman to report the matter to the Police, who cautioned Mayinga to reverse his concoction.
"But nothing changed, so Police arrested Mayinga who on Friday pleaded guilty in court.

"He said he did that because he was jealous. He also said the witchdoctor who made him the concoction has since died," said Nkandala.

She said on Saturday, Mayinga, in the company of the Police, went to a bush near his village where he cut roots of almost six trees which, he said, his ex-wife should put in water and drink for three days to reverse her situation.
The Police gave the herbs to the woman who is today expected to report back the outcome of the medicines.

Dude, when a chicas pucci goes missin, as in vanishes, is that really a mind state? Its gone! Its nowhere to be seen! Mindstate or not, the pudesh has disappeared! Where is it? Nowhere! Imelost! that is witchcraft.

[youngben]

@atabong

I have scoured the archives and cant find that post, seems i will have to write it up again, should post by tomorrow

[Atabong]

Originally Posted by ATLian

...She said whenever the two wanted to have sex, the woman's private parts would go missing. This went on for a month, prompting the woman to report the matter to the Police, who cautioned Mayinga to reverse his concoction...

Just like other mystery stories, I smell a fat rat in this one. It must have been very frustrating for the unknowing lover to fondle his bride and not find anything...Jeeeez! And, one wonders why she would not see a doctor first.

Assuming the story RABECCA THEU is telling is true, I imagine a scenario where Mayinga meets his ex-lover on the way and frightens her; he tells her the horrible things he will do if she does not give in. Ignorant and defenseless as she is, she starts building up images, which take effect on her psyche.

It is also likely that the man behind the mystery is the new lover who is unwilling to admit his impotence created by fear of Mayinga’s threats, so he creates the escapee story. He should be brought to court for cross-examination and locked up for instigating mystery stories and bearing false witness -if found guilty. I will personally like to cross-examine this man!

Journalists and politicians like every other in mass media love spicing-up magnifying, and exaggerating stories to stay in business.