[ndigila]

Originally Posted by t.D.A.

The church/ the body of christ is comprised of believers wherever they worship. This is the pillar of truth as opposed to an institution or a building or place. If you all worship at home or worship together under a tree, that is still the church / the body of christ as per my understanding.

t.D.A., Jesus said we should worship him in spirit and in truth, so you can't equate worship with truth.

Going off topic, I just checked out your blog. I know the guy in the picture (the jamaa who's sitted on the right). Is that you by any chance?

[t.D.A.]

Who are you?

[t.D.A.]

My bad....I got so excited that I met someone I know I forgot to actually reply what you are saying.

As per my understanding there are predominantly two ideas that are 'the truth' in the Church:
1) Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul and might
2) Love your neighbor as you love yourself
I think these are the truth according to the body of Christ. Worship is living a life that is in line with the truth.

[ndigila]

Originally Posted by t.D.A.

Who are you?

I just went through your blog, I really don't recall you being called Mwangi. Let me just say, your blog portrays a much different person than I remember. Anyway, remember way back when in strath there was a guy who was completely obsessed with basketball?

Originally Posted by t.D.A.

As per my understanding there are predominantly two ideas that are 'the truth' in the Church:
1) Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul and might
2) Love your neighbor as you love yourself
I think these are the truth according to the body of Christ. Worship is living a life that is in line with the truth.

So what happens if two different Christian gatherings have totally different ideas on who God is? Would they be worshiping the same God?

[t.D.A.]

Originally Posted by ndigila

I just went through your blog, I really don't recall you being called Mwangi. Let me just say, your blog portrays a much different person than I remember. Anyway, remember way back when in strath there was a guy who was completely obsessed with basketball?



So what happens if two different Christian gatherings have totally different ideas on who God is? Would they be worshiping the same God?

You know, I actually wonder about this one all the time....there are 1500 denominations and their ideas are so widely different....OK, I see where the problem comes in.....hmmmmm.....now I have the same questions you do.

Yup, I know you and you know me! I was in Strath, lakini obsessed with b-ball, that's a bit of a stretch, I would have to be good at it to be obsessed. I am still pretty much the same guy- or did I change, in some ways I did, in others I didn't , I guess I am a multi-sided coin. So, who are you?

[ndigila]

Originally Posted by t.D.A.

Yup, I know you and you know me! I was in Strath, lakini obsessed with b-ball, that's a bit of a stretch, I would have to be good at it to be obsessed. I am still pretty much the same guy- or did I change, in some ways I did, in others I didn't , I guess I am a multi-sided coin. So, who are you?

No, no, no. I'm the guy who was obsessed with bball.

[t.D.A.]

Originally Posted by ndigila

No, no, no. I'm the guy who was obsessed with bball.

There were quite a few cats obsessed with b-ball. Were you above me or below me? Sorry to the rest for interrupting the thread?

[t.D.A.]

I know who you are!! Same class!Wats up you guy, long time! Why being so cryptic man? What's happening?

[jasakwa]

Jasakwa, how do you deal with this Bible verse,
1 Timothy 3:15b "This is the church of the living God, which is the pillar and foundation of the truth."
when the different churches don't agree on what the truth is?

Let us ask ourselves what this truth is in the first place.Many people have misquoted this verse to forward their arguements that catholic is the foundation of the church.I think we should focus on the truth the verse is talking about rather than demoninations.

The truth the verse is talking about is Jesus and teh writer goes further in next verse of the same chapter to explain ..

"Beyond all question, the mystery of godliness is great:
He[c] appeared in a body,[d]
was vindicated by the Spirit,
was seen by angels,
was preached among the nations,
was believed on in the world,
was taken up in glory."


The different churches agree on this am sure,their differences is mainly in the traditions,practices,rituals which are mostly human driven to make them look different from others.If the churches would only dwell on the teachings from the scriptures and shun the individual church doctrines there wouldn't be so much division.The human weaknesses are a big liability to the church unity,and thats why they were all called upon to embrace the Holy Spirit.

Division is not new at all check out the verses below;

Jude 17-1917 But you, beloved, ought to remember the words that were spoken beforehand by the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ, 18 that they were saying to you, “In the last time there shall be mockers, following after their own ungodly lusts.” 19 These are the ones who cause divisions, worldly-minded, devoid of the Spirit.

1 Cor 11:18-20
18 For, in the first place, when you come together as a church, I hear that divisions exist among you; and in part, I believe it. 19 For there must also be factions among you, in order that those who are approved may have become evident among you.

1 Cor 1:10-1310 Now I exhort you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all agree, and there be no divisions among you, but you be made complete in the same mind and in the same judgment. 11 For I have been informed concerning you, my brethren, by Chloe’s people, that there are quarrels among you. 12 Now I mean this, that each one of you is saying, “I am of Paul,” and “I of Apollos,” and “I of Cephas,” and “I of Christ.” 13 Has Christ been divided? Paul was not crucified for you, was he? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?

[jasakwa]

And another problem that exists is that the holy spirit is telling different Christians different things, how do you know who's right and who's wrong?

What are these different things the Holy spirit has told different christians?
The Mission of the Holy spirit is to help the church manage the truth that Jesus revealed.May be the question we ought to ask ourselves is how can we identify the holy spirit?The earth is full of spirits remember satan and his army were hurled upon the earth after their fall in heaven.Christians are cautioned about believeing in just any spirit.Most people have wrongly believed that anyone who can prophecise is filled with the holy spirit,some people prophecise using evil spirits.This is how important the holy spirit is important in church.

In I John 4.1-3, the Bible tells the Christian, "believe not every spirit, but try (test) the spirits whether they are of God because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby (in this way), know ye the Spirit of God. Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God, and every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God. And this is that spirit of anti-Christ, whereof ye have heard that it should come, and even now already is it in the world."