[ATLian]

Originally Posted by TeamManager

Just had to say hi to Atlian

TM,

salaams back to you. I hope the move back to Kenya went on salama, and that you didn't get caught up in the tribal melee.

As you can see, I'm still out here trying to get answers to my many questions!

[ATLian]

Originally Posted by jasakwa

Preacher is right,it is earth's own peculiar qualities in trillion of heavenly bodies that makes most of us believe there is an intelligent all supreme designer somewhere out there watching.

You have absolutely no idea how those trillions of planets look. How can you then say that earth is peculiar or special or the best? It's like knowing only 9 people in the entire world, then claiming one of them is the tallest, ama smartest, ama fastest runner, of all the 6 billion in the world!

[ATLian]

Originally Posted by Valhalla

I say, did you read what Preacher said? You left out the fact that he mentioned that the "earth is the most beautiful planet we have seen to date".... And that is how he can claim that its the most beautiful of the planets we have seen to date-the 9!

Welcome to nit-picking.

Excellent point. I take back my statement.

[jasakwa]

You have absolutely no idea how those trillions of planets look. How can you then say that earth is peculiar or special or the best? It's like knowing only 9 people in the entire world, then claiming one of them is the tallest, ama smartest, ama fastest runner, of all the 6 billion in the world!

Actually am going by what scientists have proven,earth is the most beautiful,glamous and alive of all the planets in our solar system and the ones they have sighted in nearest gallaxy.

I am not disputing the fact that there is no earth-like planet in the entire universe,if you take jupiter or mars and place them at the exact location of the earth,you may still find it hard to sustain life,it takes much more than just the position to make the planet alive.i would just like to stick to my intial arguement that God exists and he designed the Universe.

The bible talks severally of God creating the heavens and the earth.His purpose for us is to live righteously on the earth,live by his statutes and enjoy eternal life.

[ATLian]

Originally Posted by Valhalla

Type R touches on a serious issue here by asking whether the presence of unexplainable phenomena creates the necessity of God.

I think that's the case. I've always said this - God is nothing but the answer to all of man's unanswered question!

2 centuries ago, if you asked man what thunder and lightning were, he'd have said that they were the manifestations of an angry god. Then one day man discovered that lightning was electric ions interacting with each other in the sky. With this new knowledge, the theory of god manifesting himself was quietly shelved by the theists. This is but an example of numerous such incidents.

I believe that the more man knows, the less he'll have a need for god. One day we will know definitely where we came from. Then most people will say "Oh. I guess that means the god-creation story was a myth!" Until then, we will always have the numerous different gods that exist.

[ATLian]

Originally Posted by jasakwa

[color="Blue"]The bible talks severally of God creating the heavens and the earth.His purpose for us is to live righteously on the earth,live by his statutes and enjoy eternal life.

What was the point of the other trillions of planets that we will never see? And the other galaxies? Or the vastness of space?

Also I'm sure you know that there are many stars that are light years away. The nearest star is 4 light years away (meaning it takes light from the star 4 years to reach us. So if that star exploded today, we'd see the explosion in 2012). Have you ever thought how all the stars were put in the sky and they could all be seen on Day 2? I think the more plausible answer is that the men who wrote the Bible had no freaking idea that the stars we see are the way they were many years ago, coz that's how long it takes the light to get to us.

[jasakwa]

[quote=ATLian;629366]I think that's the case. I've always said this - God is nothing but the answer to all of man's unanswered question!

2 centuries ago, if you asked man what thunder and lightning were, he'd have said that they were the manifestations of an angry god. Then one day man discovered that lightning was electric ions interacting with each other in the sky. With this new knowledge, the theory of god manifesting himself was quietly shelved by the theists. This is but an example of numerous such incidents.

Your arguement doesn't hold water atlian,God never explained to man what lightening is and how to make it.He gave man the brains for that purpose.Where it is writen God spoke in flashes of lightening,still doesn't make every act of lightening a manifestation of God's anger.if the people chose to believe it that way then their brains weren't stimulated enough.

[bible_reader]

Originally Posted by ATLian

What was the point of the other trillions of planets that we will never see? And the other galaxies? Or the vastness of space?

Also I'm sure you know that there are many stars that are light years away. The nearest star is 4 light years away (meaning it takes light from the star 4 years to reach us. So if that star exploded today, we'd see the explosion in 2012). Have you ever thought how all the stars were put in the sky and they could all be seen on Day 2? I think the more plausible answer is that the men who wrote the Bible had no freaking idea that the stars we see are the way they were many years ago, coz that's how long it takes the light to get to us.

Science cannot of itself tell us why the earth and the physical creation exist,however that it happened is reasonably clear.

But the Bible tells us why "You are worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honor and power; for You created all things, and by Your will they exist and were created" (Revelation 4:11). Psalm 115:16 adds, "The heaven, even the heavens, are the Lord's; but the earth He has given to the children of men."
God created all things. He set aside the earth as a place of habitation for man, for the working out of His purpose.

His magnificent plan is ultimately to bring "many sons to glory" (Hebrews 2:10), to offer sonship to all people through His Son Jesus Christ. This is the wonderful reason God brought the creation into existence by His command. The Bible explains God's plan in considerable detail as well as that plan's implications for us

[bible_reader]

Take for example the human body. It is a work in which even human intelligence cannot imagine to create. It was argued that a simple intelligent calculator could not be realized through evolution, but an intelligent mind had to put some effort.

Gripdaddy,i couldn't agree more,
You see most atheist read the bible with prying intentions.Have you ever asked yourself why the following verses were intepreted out of context,and vainly tried to be used against christians.

1.The Earth, which was declared to be immovable (Psalm 104:5).

The earth being immovable didn't exclude the fact that it is fixed on its axis within the milky way.

2.Your descendants shall be as many as the sands of the sea,and as numerous as the stars of the heavens.

Now scientist agree that stars are as many as the sands of the sea,milky way alone has over 200,000,000,000 visible by hubble.

3. He suspends the earth on nothing’ (Job 26.7b)
This verse has puzzled scientists and astrologers alike for somone at that specific age to have known the earth was suspended on nothing one had to be out in the space.

[fiery_preacher]

Preacher,

there are only 9 planets man has seen - those that orbit the solar system. There are billions of galaxies, each with billions of stars in it, with billions of planets circling them. How do you then claim that earth is the most beautiful when we've only seen 9 out of trillions of planets?[/quote]

Before we go further,why do you think the billions of planets were formed?