[youngben]

Young ben we have 8 planets.pluto was demoted to planet like body classification.

Thanks for the heads up, though debate still rages over the 10 planet (not pluto)

God designed them such that the gravitational system acts in favor of planet earth.Jupiter has been known to diver or in most recent case deflected a large comet

Jasakwa, yes I agree to your point, but this is not my argument, my argument is, what is likely to happen when we have all the planets in a linear arrangement?? How will the gravitational forces work? or affect

[Valhalla]

Originally Posted by ATLian

Nothing exhibits God's care and majesty better than the Earth itself. As a planet, the Earth is the most beautiful planet we have seen to date,

Preacher,

there are only 9 planets man has seen - those that orbit the solar system. There are billions of galaxies, each with billions of stars in it, with billions of planets circling them. How do you then claim that earth is the most beautiful when we've only seen 9 out of trillions of planets?

I say, did you read what Preacher said? You left out the fact that he mentioned that the "earth is the most beautiful planet we have seen to date". I dont know about you, but it seems to me that your reply to Preacher leaves out this crucial part of his thought process. So, out of the 9 planets we know [to date], the earth, then, is the most beautiful. And that is how he can claim that its the most beautiful of the planets we have seen to date-the 9!

Welcome to nit-picking.

[Valhalla]

This is a question that has never occured to me. Folks always seem to grappling with the question whether God exists, but never this. I guess there is always room to learn. Its foundation is the premise that God exists; I hope we all agree on this-at least on this one thread!

Type R touches on a serious issue here by asking whether the presence of unexplainable phenomena creates the necessity of God. Thats deep man, and very legitimate. It is true that some folks see it that way; they find some unexplainable stuff can only be the work of the Divine. I find their view legitimate as well since if all were to be explainable then there would not be faith in a supernatural God. Ama? All that is explainable is natural. We can understand evolution all the way to the Big Bang. But stuff before the Big Bang remains, naturally, naturally elusive. How then do we account for what our theories and sciences cannot? Some will say that such infomation is yet to be discovered as knowledge increases. But how? Is better technology going to give us insight on where the first atoms preceding the Big Bang came from? That would be far fetched at best. How can that be possible if our mental abstractions fail us in tackling this question? Can you see now how God becomes a necessary explanation to the things we know are unexplainable?

[truuth]

Any idea you have in your mind of god you have created or learned from others.god is the creative force that lies within alllll beings,planets , forces everything ..in the bible it says gods rain falls on the just and unjust the knowledge of god is a common sense everyone has it.you dont have to look to the planets and the skies and newton theories god is simple yet so complex the intelligence,loving nature of god is your assurance that you'll have a crop of roses from rose seeding.that the sky is still gonna be blue and the grass green.if you cannot do the list of it,why bother with the rest......sorry I meant in my tittle to say God is infinite

[jasakwa]

Jasakwa, yes I agree to your point, but this is not my argument, my argument is, what is likely to happen when we have all the planets in a linear arrangement?? How will the gravitational forces work? or affect.

ok young ben now i get ya,
There is a controversial arguement being floated around by the mayas and chinese that something catastrophic is likely to happen in 2012.According to scientists,our solar system will enter into the southern pole of in our milky way gallaxy.This the scientist fear might trigger a shift in the polar system of the earth.The earth's crust might shift.

Back to your point,when the planetary bodies allignment might not affect the earth because the massive gravitational pull of jupiter and saturn stabilise cosmo-physical activities in the solar system.

[grip_daddy]

I have a question to the Christian cosmologists; In one of my bible classes I was told that God manifestation in nature and cosmos can readily be visualized through complex patterns. Take for example the human body. It is a work in which even human intelligence cannot imagine to create. It was argued that a simple intelligent calculator could not be realized through evolution, but an intelligent mind had to put some effort.

When the atheists challenged such reasoning that when everything is viewed in the perspective of the entire universe, there seems to be more disorder as there is order. Then the theists argued that the apparent massive disorder in the cosmos is basically ordered in a way. For example, you may go into a room and find it in an haphazard state. Things have fallen apart. Spoons, clothes, everything in places they should not be. Then, you visit a second room. This room is equally disarranged. The position of the spoons are the same taking the walls as the reference point. The position of the clothes, the pen, the broom etc. That therefore means that the disorder in one room equals the disorder in the next room. With such a disorderly pattern, manifesting itself in several rooms, it would be illogical to attribute such to the work of chance.

So, are there any close resemblance of such disorders in the entire known universe?

This discussion about trillion of planets possibly in existence tends to point out to such a fact, which would ratify the arguement for a Creator.

[bible_reader]

Then the theists argued that the apparent massive disorder in the cosmos is basically ordered in a way. For example, you may go into a room and find it in an haphazard state. Things have fallen apart. Spoons, clothes, everything in places they should not be. Then, you visit a second room. This room is equally disarranged. The position of the spoons are the same taking the walls as the reference point. The position of the clothes, the pen, the broom etc. That therefore means that the disorder in one room equals the disorder in the next room. This discussion about trillion of planets possibly in existence tends to point out to such a fact, which would ratify the arguement for a Creator.

You raised a big arguement here,order and disorder,then which preceeds which?
For sure i know now the biggest price for a scientific reward is based on research to unlock the theory of chaos.
Look at creation critically,things are aging,the universe itself seem to be not only expanding but also winding up.

This as you hinted points to a source of begining,probably organised at first moving towards being in disorder.

[grip_daddy]

Thanks bible reader for your input. This makes me even imagine things further!

From this massive energy that was concentrated in a very small ball like matter (in essence matter is energy), then due to internal turbulance it exploded, and stars, that is trillions to the power of trillions, of stars were formed. One of the stars happens to be the sun.

I believe therefore, if life is by chance as a result of condensation effect of matter that exploded away from the centre, then there must be another star, same size as our sun, that cooled the same way, that has the same number of planets, that has the same age, has the same elemental structures and chemical composition, therefore same life. To the expansion of the argument, this other planet must have same Grip daddy vs bible reader, doing the same virtual interaction same time. You know this reasoning about multiplicity of me the entire universe.

Because therefore of the vast unknown, it therefore true that similar structures of stars that cooled down early than our sun has "us" in futurist present, while in others we are in past as at now.

Now, if science will be able to prove this, then it is true that we exist by chance. Otherwise I know I am the only Grip daddy the entire universe because of a Creator who made me thus.

[rayfisher]

Originally Posted by Type R

In other words, "God" exists because there is no other explanation for certain phenomena?

When man didn't understand the weather, "rain" was a loving god's work and "drought" was punishment for sin.

In fact, sometimes, tribes had to implore and beg a god to find out what the sin was that they had committed -- yes, you could be punished severely in ignorance. Come on, even the flawed modern criminal system is required within 48 hours to 2 weeks to inform you of why police have arrested you. Mankind has had strange gods!!!

May be your are overlooking an important point in this scope,when man sort to explain rain as a blessing did it make sense to him?

secondly drought was percieved as purnishment;did man cook this or gained the info from a source?

[grip_daddy]

Originally Posted by rayfisher

May be your are overlooking an important point in this scope,when man sort to explain rain as a blessing did it make sense to him?

secondly drought was percieved as purnishment;did man cook this or gained the info from a source?

The discovery of unknown phenomena cannot be used to explain away the blessings punishment belief. It is true that there are a set of physical inherent laws that controls the behavior of matter. The transition of influences and space matter relationship that contribute to displacement of some part of matter, or change thereof, to create a modified phenomena does also play part, especially when climatic changes are put in the equation.

A Christian will say that if you become evil, you will be punished by draught. This can be made to come to pass in two major ways:

1. By God who controls the power of nature to locally modify matter space relationship that will automatically cause draught. Man has developed such technologies capable of atmospheric modification that results to localized draughts or rains. You cant say God is incapable of doing that.

2. The evil action of man such as destruction of forests and other water catchment areas like mount Kenya due to greed and desire for riches, makes the matter space relationship to modify in such a manner as to cause draught, or floods, which is again destructive, and can be seen as punishment.

So, it is my opinion that the knowledge of how natural events take place and consequent development of technology to manipulate controlling laws does not negate the Christian blessing vs punishment argument.