[BBB]

African dont think and are greedy. Aslo the tribal issue. My tribe my ass....

[tic tac]

i`ve always wondered the same but am sorry i havent come to a conclusion yet.first i`ve been thinking whether our skin colour has anything to do with anything cause lets get real check out the akataas around your hood.its sad to see our how least we come out in all of the other world colours. no i dont think the white man is superior and i dont think we are but i believe all man was created equal. the biggest problem we face as a continent is diversity. we are torn apart by the many tribes we have in the continent and am sorry we cant blame anybody for that cause i believe God meant it to be so.the least we can do is try to see beyond our tribes and only if we can find leaders who can unite citizens not tribes.imagine what we can do as a united africa let alone a united kenya.well still we have to look at otherfactors that divide us like religion etc.either we are facked up for life or we wake up and smell the coffee. our politicians should be able and willing to sacrifice their selfish interests for the good of humanity.

[BBB]

either we are facked up for life

@ Tic tac i think we are.

[Msoto]

Originally Posted by froggy

^^40 years after westerners pulled out, the Kenyan state is imploding solely because of tribal rivalry, hatred and mistrust. How are westerners to blame for that? We conduct shoddy elections, kill each other, ruin our economy and precipitate a civil war, then half of us die: which westerner is to blame for that?

Very true but most issues are more complicated than what meets the eye.
It is very easy to be laid back and become the piggy bank for 2cent thoughts.

The Standard Online Edition

The most important reason is how did this mistrust, hatred, rivalry suddenly become evident?

[Msoto]

Originally Posted by tic tac

i`ve always wondered the same but am sorry i havent come to a conclusion yet.first i`ve been thinking whether our skin colour has anything to do with anything cause lets get real check out the akataas around your hood.its sad to see our how least we come out in all of the other world colours. no i dont think the white man is superior and i dont think we are but i believe all man was created equal. the biggest problem we face as a continent is diversity. we are torn apart by the many tribes we have in the continent and am sorry we cant blame anybody for that cause i believe God meant it to be so.the least we can do is try to see beyond our tribes and only if we can find leaders who can unite citizens not tribes.imagine what we can do as a united africa let alone a united kenya.well still we have to look at otherfactors that divide us like religion etc.either we are facked up for life or we wake up and smell the coffee. our politicians should be able and willing to sacrifice their selfish interests for the good of humanity.

You raise many valid points.

First and foremost be proud of who and what you are, You are an African.

Akataas got it hard. US is a tough place to survive if you is black.

It is what you make of it. Think of rapsters, sportsmen and women, etc.

Diversity is an asset. We are survivors, born and bred for the hustle.

We can fill a library and then some with our problems. It is what it is.

[Msoto]

Originally Posted by Atabong

We can now see very clearly for our selves how the Africa created by Westerners is the problem. This ‘daunting stigma of differences’ has now brought our naivety to the surface. Our figurehead leaders are a disgrace to humanity.

The challenge is to rediscover our identity and values that we may consider core to our collective culture. I agree that for most of us, we are using the bifocal lens of westerner's in analyzing what we should expect from our culture and how it should progress. It is very easy to come up with an endless list of things we can and should improve on, because inherently we are basing our standards on the western culture that is already ahead of us.

It is a catching game and we are not the pace setters. We will only be as developed as they will want to see us as being.

We have grown up and learnt the western education system, our minds have been tuned and indoctrinated into perceiving events in such and such a way.
Therefore we find many things wrong with our own societies, yet we can't fathom or accept what makes us so endearing to so many people from the corners of the World. We cannot find in our own cultures useful traditions that should be cherished, restored and maintained.

Quality of life should not be judged by how many work hours you put in a week, it shouldn't 'begin after your 62, and your endless stock options have vested'. Life should not be about working Mon, Tue, Wed, Thur, Fri, Sat, Sun double or triple shifts in an endless mechanized system as a Zombie with limited time-offs or vacation.

African culture is living every day like your on vacation. Life becomes a stream that guides you and you adjust to the circumstances, like a dhow coasting on the ocean being carried by the wind. Going with the current not against it.

As seconds become minutes then hrs then days then months then yrs, we stand back shocked as to how time has flown by.
Yet there was so much we wanted to accomplish, so much we have been spoon fed we need to get accomplished.
The struggle against the current never wanes. We put a lot of effort in steering, but for every progress we make we seem to be loosing our true social warmth, we became indifferent, lack the vibrancy we had, we become dull, we go through the motions.
The frustration is etched on many faces, yet the option of returning is too daunting to face, we convince ourselves we aren't ready, so we continue against the current.

[froggy]

Originally Posted by Msoto

Very true but most issues are more complicated than what meets the eye.
It is very easy to be laid back and become the piggy bank for 2cent thoughts.

The Standard Online Edition

The most important reason is how did this mistrust, hatred, rivalry suddenly become evident?

That is certainly a thought provoking article.

Quite not what I would expect to be carried by The Standard

[Atabong]

Originally Posted by tic tac

we are torn apart by the many tribes we have in the continent and am sorry we cant blame anybody for that cause i believe God meant it to be so

Many things you have mentioned make sense but please tic tac don’t mention God now, the Shameless old powerless white man hanging in the sky can not as much as shed a tear when his own children are roasting alive and calling his name inside his own church. That God is by all definition a sham, please keep him out of this!

[Atabong]

Originally Posted by froggy

^^40 years after westerners pulled out, the Kenyan state is imploding solely because of tribal rivalry, hatred and mistrust. How are westerners to blame for that?

Froggy, Western people have used all kinds of adjectives to describe the black man: they don't reason beyond the physical, they can't read between the lines, they listen with one ear, they are genetically inferior, fleshy, wild and aggressive, evil, sexually driven etc

Come back to the thread, please take some time off and read a bit of African History, not those written by Europeans or ‘black skin white mask’ people but the few written by Africans and see why African leaders of today are merely a product of our ‘colonial past’. It should also become clear to you why on international forums African leaders are nothing more than chorus singers. Look up the meaning of the Shilling, Dissect and analyse why the Kenyan shilling, Ugandan shilling etc is pegged to the BP or why the CFA franc is pegged to the French franc. You will not like the can of worms you open; take my word.
I’m simply seeing things as they are. For example, the African historian P T Zeleza states that divisions are neither peculiar to Africa nor rooted in ‘ancient hatreds’ rather, they are based on uneven regional development in both the colonial and postcolonial periods, followed, at intervals, by political mobilization by elites of ethnic divisions.

The way the word tribe has been used by Western media circles when referring to community, ethnicity or identity in African states has been thwarted to mean something else .The systematic use of wards like this has helped to widen ethnic rifts and created the hell we now live in. Media is a mind control machine.

Unlike the bold ones who send congratulations even before ballot counting is over, you’ll often hear statements like “There were problems with the whole process but the results reflect the wish of those who voted”, “so and so person riggeg but the other rigged too. Please read between the lines!

40 years after westerners pulled out,

This is wishful thinking

[froggy]

Originally Posted by Atabong

Quote:
40 years after westerners pulled out,

This is wishful thinking

I'm sure you are on to something here - probably you could expand it some more for me. Am I to understand that you are saying that principally, they are still here in our midst (controlling our affairs) and if so - am particularly eager to fathom - of what use to them would a strife-torn state be?