Is Africa the Problem? or the Problem Africans?

[Realistik Dreamer]

Indeed. This is the image we have been educated to death with. That now we can write & read in european. Even with their accents. We pray to their white deities. wear their clothes. Buy their images of beauty and kill ourselves trying to conform to that chemically/financially even. Celebrate their holidays. Adopt their names & discard ours. Wait for them to advise us on how to organize resouces in our societies. Wait for them to build for us cars, planes, bridges, hospitals. Nails and paper clips.

Welcome to civilization Black Wo/man. No more spears and savagery. The por white guy sure has big black burdens. Right?

And he carries them with strenghth, intelligence and with the milk (white) and kindness of his gentle heart he teaches us out of our dark, backward heathen ways.

Nice.

I think our leaders of the 60s especially were over-awed by whitey due to his shiny things & money. And Power. This was their undoing in terms of their individual loss of Black Spirit. Soul.Which till today they overcompensate by massive theft and ego trips: They love honorifics like Mheshimiwa, mkubwa, Munene and the sucking up that we the majority poor have to do to get a morsel from these rotten souls.

This is why Abacha was caught dead in a massive cardiac arrest on a tryst in bed with two women. Bless him!

He is not alone in such weak-minded outlets of expression by those African leaders who are just destroyers/parasites. NOT CREATORS.

It gets worse: The youth have note the impunity of the leaders and now believe the only way to be happy & successful is to sell their souls for money. 7000 prostitutes in little Nairobi every night (see yesterday's nation) and men selling their bodies in Kisumu (only town in Kenya with this malaise really?)

It is lazy/easy to be cynical with such realities. It only makes things worse.
We are Afrikans!

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Again yesterdays Nation: Angola has 2 million chinese living in that country and there are plans (unconfirmed rumours ) to provide farm leases to china. Vast tracts.......Now I am no yellow peril inciter (racist bias towards asians) but this is madness.

So, comming to your important query Atabong: We Africans have issues. We have to face the reality squarely. We all know we have big problems but we have yet to really define the causes, when they begun, how they did.

When this is done, the solution becomes glaringly obvious. Either which way, it is not a plug n play solution but a change of mind & body to materialize the True Potential of The Motherland.

Many people both Africans (wherever they be) and our enemies will not like this kind of thinking.

Ignore them. This is work beyond our lifetimes. What is 70 yrs (if you are lucky) compared to the age of Afrikan civilization?

Make your life part of the Rhythm towards African Awakenning. Its much more meaningful than chasing wildgooses in white hypnosis. Or Black weak greed.

[A.M Nafusi]

Dealing with Africans (human beings) needs tonnes of patience.

It is easy to be frustrated because each step one takes, there is an ignoramus ready to block progress.

So my friends, do not be disspointed if these things do not come to pass in your lifetime. If there is anything I got from Freud, it is a useless statement that said: the masses are generally unintelligent, and human beings are not naturally fond of work or thinking.

So I took a breather and stopped having mini-cardiac arrests over Africans and their poor choices. The Congo Elite are selling Congo to the East.
China is not known to respect human lives.
I do not know if Qatar has got its chunk from Kenya yet.

I firmly believe that eventually Africans will get it right. Those in the know today then must lay the foundation for the truth to prevail.

Here is the other twist in African poverty: Has any of you ever consireded that the very first Africans who went to school or accepted religion on its arrival were those looked down upon in society.
From my own family history, I know for sure that my great grandfather allowed the children he deemed lazy, stupid and not trustworthy to attend the white man's schools. The intelligent ones were held back to understand the African customs. He had no idea the white man had more coming.

Unfortunately, as the whites left, they left the reigns to this schooled idiots.
U can all see how most African leaders abhor intellectual input in governance.

[Ilongi]

The last two comments hit the sport (i.e. dreamer & Mafusi)
Gents and Ladies, I have been following this particular forum (rare gem in Mashada) for a few months and I must say I am not alone in thinking that there is something very wrong with this whole picture…
Yes, we Africans have very serious issues that will need dealing with starting form the understanding and acknowledging the issues we have and face. My biggest fear is that evidently you will not be allowed to spread the message and educate the masses, two of the following happen to you i.e. the current oligarch (for lack of a better word) or the western corporations will take you out. However in my case I would not ascribe to giving up, but will do my part in awakening the minds of as many individuals as I possibly can.

@ Nafusi there are many people thinking (minds) in those lines i.e. trying to figure things out, there are many who have seen the truth to the lies spun by the media and bogus education systems that has blinded us to real issues.

@ Atabong, yes, BBC, CNN etc cannot be an authority on African issues, any person (especially African) arguing in defense of such corporations should be discredited. It will take plenty to convince me that any corporation driven by profit has our interests at heart, they never have and never will.


I will comment more later on; in the interim a comment I posted elsewhere with respect to Sub Saharan borders:

In the movie the Matrix, you are given two choices, take the blue pill or the red pill… one of these pills will let you see the world as it really is, the other will let you live in your existing paradigm (which most of us are).
My point is I do not know what it will take for us to realize that accepting these so called independent country definitions is equivalent to accepting the false ceilings and limitations that have been defined by others and we have no idea on what independent thinking is all about!
To ensure I am understood I would like the nay sayers to provide me with clear distinct differences between sub-Saharan Africans? The more the description the better it will be, please include social, language (anthropological), physical and geographical evidence… At the end of it all, I want to walk down the street and based on that empirical evidence distinctly determine where each and every sub-Saharan African is from…

Lastly I would encourage you all to watch the documentaries “The War on Democracy”… And John Pilger's "War by Any Means", "Life and Debt"... look forward to your comments....

[HUH?]

Originally Posted by Ilongi

The last two comments hit the sport (i.e. dreamer & Mafusi)
Gents and Ladies, I have been following this particular forum (rare gem in Mashada) for a few months and I must say I am not alone in thinking that there is something very wrong with this whole picture…
Yes, we Africans have very serious issues that will need dealing with starting form the understanding and acknowledging the issues we have and face. My biggest fear is that evidently you will not be allowed to spread the message and educate the masses, two of the following happen to you i.e. the current oligarch (for lack of a better word) or the western corporations will take you out. However in my case I would not ascribe to giving up, but will do my part in awakening the minds of as many individuals as I possibly can.

@ Nafusi there are many people thinking (minds) in those lines i.e. trying to figure things out, there are many who have seen the truth to the lies spun by the media and bogus education systems that has blinded us to real issues.

@ Atabong, yes, BBC, CNN etc cannot be an authority on African issues, any person (especially African) arguing in defense of such corporations should be discredited. It will take plenty to convince me that any corporation driven by profit has our interests at heart, they never have and never will.


I will comment more later on; in the interim a comment I posted elsewhere with respect to Sub Saharan borders:

In the movie the Matrix, you are given two choices, take the blue pill or the red pill… one of these pills will let you see the world as it really is, the other will let you live in your existing paradigm (which most of us are).
My point is I do not know what it will take for us to realize that accepting these so called independent country definitions is equivalent to accepting the false ceilings and limitations that have been defined by others and we have no idea on what independent thinking is all about!
To ensure I am understood I would like the nay sayers to provide me with clear distinct differences between sub-Saharan Africans? The more the description the better it will be, please include social, language (anthropological), physical and geographical evidence… At the end of it all, I want to walk down the street and based on that empirical evidence distinctly determine where each and every sub-Saharan African is from…

Lastly I would encourage you all to watch the documentaries “The War on Democracy”… And John Pilger's "War by Any Means", "Life and Debt"... look forward to your comments....

"Life and Debt" was a deep doc.

[Augustine]

Originally Posted by A.M Nafusi

Dealing with Africans (human beings) needs tonnes of patience.

It is easy to be frustrated because each step one takes, there is an ignoramus ready to block progress.

So my friends, do not be disspointed if these things do not come to pass in your lifetime. If there is anything I got from Freud, it is a useless statement that said: the masses are generally unintelligent, and human beings are not naturally fond of work or thinking.

So I took a breather and stopped having mini-cardiac arrests over Africans and their poor choices. The Congo Elite are selling Congo to the East.
China is not known to respect human lives.
I do not know if Qatar has got its chunk from Kenya yet.

I firmly believe that eventually Africans will get it right. Those in the know today then must lay the foundation for the truth to prevail.

Here is the other twist in African poverty: Has any of you ever consireded that the very first Africans who went to school or accepted religion on its arrival were those looked down upon in society.
From my own family history, I know for sure that my great grandfather allowed the children he deemed lazy, stupid and not trustworthy to attend the white man's schools. The intelligent ones were held back to understand the African customs. He had no idea the white man had more coming.

Unfortunately, as the whites left, they left the reigns to this schooled idiots.
U can all see how most African leaders abhor intellectual input in governance.

My opinion is that Africa does not have a biggest problem, but Africans are faced with a slew of challenges. Comprehensive policies which do not assume the level of development in Western economies will have to be implemented before any result can be noticeable. Can we compete with the systems we presently have in place or is there a need to overhaul our institutions. Even more interesting to me is whether the new age business processes can deliver the silver bullet to put an end to corruption in African institutions?

[A.M Nafusi]

[QUOTE=Augustine;817488]My opinion is that Africa does not have a biggest problem, but Africans are faced with a slew of challenges. corruption in QUOTE]

Very positive thinking! Good job. That wording alone makes Africa not sound like one long sob story, but a work in progress.

Now, about policies? Don't you think people have been writing so many of those but implementing none. Policies, commisions, conferences on Africa have been on for a long time. Take an example of Jeffrey Sachs (Director of the Earth Institute) during the Clinton Era ( was an economic Advisor) he produced an economic sustainance policy paper on Burundi in a record 48 hours without having set foot in that country. He is one of the brains behind the millenium villages: villages that only flourish as long as they (Sachs and group) remain involved, once they leave, they die off.

Closer home, I give the example of Anyang Nyong's mind (apologies to all the aggrieved), the gentleman can sit down and darft very good papers/policies on how to run Kenya efficiently. However, the practical part has never materialized; at least not any that I can point out.

My thoughts are that those policies never consider the people actions (for lack of a better word) factor.

Maybe we just need a starting line: let us start and tweak it as we go along.

Ama?

[Realistik Dreamer]

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Originally Posted by ilongi

gents and ladies, i have been following this particular forum (rare gem in mashada) for a few months and i must say i am not alone in thinking that there is something very wrong with this whole picture

… yes indeed. Afrikans who take the time to think about such issues must always know that we are not alone! our Ancestors, our Teachers of the way our Unborn are always at hand to guide us in this battle against sheer evil.

we must encourage each other as we are one spirit. the isms are meant to keep us split & antagonistic.

yes, we africans have very serious issues that will need dealing with starting form the understanding and acknowledging the issues we have and face

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Yes indeed. cynicism on the intrinsic good/potential/greatness of africa is escapism (if you are african)


over imbibing in eurocentric/arab culture eg books/education, media, foods, accents, names, music, movies, novels, magazines, porn, games (eg premier league. Imagine that!), religion (white deities) as africans is ecapism.

Obsessions with hedonism (life is for "fun" as core ideal) running around with women (black man) having babies & skiving (black man) , lusting after pale woman-a media induced disease to weaken your outrage@afrika'scondition(black man) not hanging in there with good black man because he is unwilling to sell his soul for money. Undermining his efforts (black woman). This is escapism.


Then the most obvious:drunkennes, drugs againt your body & mind is escapism.

The funny thing is that all the above escapist outlets still dont bring true meaning to the lives of Black people on the planet.right?

till the only meaning left for weak-mined escapism is to do it again & again (like a heroin addict) to even feel that you are still alive! do we lie?

there has got to be a higher meaning to life for black people in this times and it is staring at us daily: solve Afrika's problems.

my biggest fear is that evidently you will not be allowed to spread the message and educate the masses, two of the following happen to you i.e. The current oligarch (for lack of a better word) or the western corporations will take you out.

true. Millions of afrikans known and unknown have lost their families,status, property and lives just for spreading the true good news. They will do anything to materialize their every wish-the enemies of afrika-both foreign & black poodles.

Anything.

The questions is what do black people have to lose?

however in my case I would not ascribe to giving up, but will do my part in awakening the minds of as many individuals as i possibly can.

peace my brother! This is a knowledge we cant keep to ourselves! it burns, it is vital and it is liberating from escapisms (see above).

@ atabong, yes, bbc, cnn etc cannot be an authority on african issues, any person (especially african) arguing in defense of such corporations should be discredited. It will take plenty to convince me that any corporation driven by profit has our interests at heart, they never have and never will.

I wish more afrikans thought like you ilongi! we would be rebuilding those majestik pyramids of yore in a flash. Science & engineering by Africans for Africans.

I can dig it man!

in the movie the matrix, you are given two choices, take the blue pill or the red pill… one of these pills will let you see the world as it really is, the other will let you live in your existing paradigm (which most of us are).

precisely! this movie was a tongue in cheek that reflects very much what is going on out there.we used the analogy of matrix in this thread to discuss how robotic we have been made via western imperialism & arab mohammedanism:

Living In A Matrix

my point is i do not know what it will take for us to realize that accepting these so called independent country definitions is equivalent to accepting the false ceilings and limitations that have been defined by others and we have no idea on what independent thinking is all about!

I just get goose bumps reading this! many "schooled up" Africans feel they are liberated (sophisticated, open minded, liberal, knowledgable, free from primitive african myth & superstion) yet they have no idea how limited and boxed in their outlook is: surely if western education was all that, kenya should not be having starving children (human induced) right? where is the moral outrage activated via liberal, western education?

to ensure i am understood i would like the nay sayers to provide me with clear distinct differences between sub-saharan africans? the more the description the better it will be, please include social, language (anthropological), physical and geographical evidence… at the end of it all, i want to walk down the street and based on that empirical evidence distinctly determine where each and every sub-saharan african is from…

anthropology was a pseodo science invented by europeans to study their objects of study; Afrikans. We should not believe their divisive nonsense eg that the builders of kmt civilization for eg. (africa's classical civilization) were (at grudgingly best) afro-asiatics!

what the hell is an afro asiatic? leave alone the (inconvenient )fact that kmt was a baby of Kush/Nubia which was placed deeper in the heart of Afrika (today's sudan) and has much smaller pyramids still existing. Why?

Because as the Black Afrikans got more experience and technical profeciency in building and moved further down the nile/hapi river to establish kmt they were then ready to build for eg the pyramid of Pharaoh Khufu @giza: 2 million stones, 60 stories high-tallest human built structures for over 3500 yrs

till the french came up with eiffel tower in the 19th century!

bantu, nilote, kordofan, khoisan, hamitic.....who wrote up these things? based on what, for what?

The massive (embarrasing) fact is that it is only BLACK AFRIKANS on this planet who can trace I and I origins to a tee in East africa before spreading out in the motherland and beyond.

europeans & others contort little unsubtantiated myths to explain their origins.

imagine that! the cheek of it!

we are AFRIKANS! the ORIGINAL HUE-MAN

[HUH?]

Originally Posted by A.M Nafusi

Closer home, I give the example of Anyang Nyong's mind (apologies to all the aggrieved), the gentleman can sit down and darft very good papers/policies on how to run Kenya efficiently. However, the practical part has never materialized; at least not any that I can point out.

My thoughts are that those policies never consider the people actions (for lack of a better word) factor.

Maybe we just need a starting line: let us start and tweak it as we go along.

Ama?

I think the "people factor" has nebulous variables. that's why the tweaking is necessary in any such system...it's dynamic nature (as people are) makes 'tweaking' imperative.

the materialization you talk about (concept to implementation) is alive and well, but unfortunately hasn't reached critical mass in order to be widely effective IMO.we are getting there though. the world is getting smaller and smaller...


stay positive

[truuth]

We are so lost because of what they think about us,we lose ourselfs in it.There is a migration to Africa by those who came here to this western society and found out the truth about it.
They dont talk of their poor,their uneducated,their failing life,their Aids stricken society, they capitalize on bringing down the vulnerable, thats what we are.We are a good place to kick.We adore them,we submit to this western society like they hold our LIFES.
I get SICK when I here africans so down.
They know how to market themselves, and above all they in their own world value a humanbeing.We dont, as long as we dont we will remain the unworthy of them and the world.

[JEMODAT]

Just imagine if my grand-pa had gone to school and got himself involved in politics!!!!! and not decided to cook for the british like he did: no wonder sir charles said luhyas are cooks and watchmen.. He would have become a paramount chief! iam sure that would have sown the seeds of my success today, i would not be on the brink of bankruptcy, living in exile in the hope of making it one day. I would have attended the best schools , been shipped overseas and back i would be the director-in-waiting for several companies in nairobi sadly this did not happen.... He chose instead to deal me a disabled deck of cards!!! and now i have to deal with poverty!