You are irrelevant to this discussion. People like you troll the Internet with one purpose: to provoke. Like I said, your points do not flow from the preceding discussion, but you have some strange frustrations to vent. Check into an emotional rehab. I'm done with you. You do not even deserve this response.
Delirium tremens (Your name betrays you) you’re ‘high’ when called racist; that’s why you cook up cock and bull stories.
What amazes me isn’t stuff like this:
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I have 2 children with a Nigga Ho
No, I’m very reluctant to call you a psycho or think that you have a deep hatred for all black people (with no interest at understanding our ‘environments’). I’m more interested in knowing what inspired you to post this:
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I found out that in the year 1066 b.c., the ooga-booga tribe in central africa had a noble and wise chief known as...
thought this was interesting. Cornel West is one of my favorite contemporary philosophers.
pamoja
That man is a genius. Watch the Youtube video on what he had to say about Obama......he reminds me even when I forget that there is something called logic!
this question i ask myself every day. Can there be any reasonable explanation to why we africans are so poor, so backward, so underprivileged, so left behind? so beggarly and so looked upon as bull****? some one said to me: look if our people had not colonized you guys you’d still be going around naked and killing each other with spears. First the western people were here exploring and exploiting, dragging us in chains out to the plantations in the west. They created an outcry then change the method. They bring religion, divide us, and create wars, poverty, disease, ignorance, hunger and starvation and so nowadays we have neocolonialism. Our people no longer have to be carried away bare feet and in chains but flee to the west to do slave labour. Are our leaders so dumb, so inhuman, really do black african leaders think at all, let alone have a ‘conscience’? the chinese and asians are slowly but surely seeping in too. Does black africa have any way to protect itself from these invaders? we are gradually seeing our lands, forests, property etc bought over with the same money that is taken from our land and the proceeds pushed back to the invaders by our own leaders. Sub saharan africa economies are the worst on the planet, does it mean we cannot manufacture and consume our own products? why do we have to starve and die in a land oozing with oil and diamonds? in fact the big powers don't even need to wage a war to get in. We pass around town and find shelved bottled water imported from holland, france etc we read and watch western and foreign media, googgle out 'sub saharan africa' on the internet and we’re dumfounded with what we see. In the west, the only thing most people know of africa is on their outright racist news channels, big billboards showing fleshless black men and women overpowered by disease, houseflies hovering over starving children. Even black people living in the west are demoralized. No body knows what to do, isn’t it time for us as africans to portray the good we have? really, is africa the problem or the problem africans? can some one say something
hi comrade, me again. You are a smart guy and mostly insightful, following up on your thoughts every now and then is a thing i enjoy.
Kazi: i can see how your questions may have arisen. For some reason it seems like africa has super-drama it's unbelievable. However, your question narrowly and restrictively implies only two options, that either africa has a problem or africans have a problem. By the way, this thread should not make a distinction between africa and africans. Africa is not plagued by poverty, wars, etc in the absence of africans; it is the africans who are experiencing all these, and then some. But this may just be semantics.
I digress. I believe the reality of the situation is far much greater than that. I am not saying this as a way to eventually end up blaming the western powers, but we must realize that global environments affect africa as they do all other places in the world. The devil in the details would raise the question how much is africa affected by such happenings. Western powers have in some way successfully sucker punched africa. When a strong man twists my arm, i will likely agree with him. And it is in similar ways that we have some how not been able to get our hustle on (politically, economically, etc) because some powers beyond africa's borders are at odds and glorious african states, and maybe africa as a whole, is a pawn. Recall wwi, wwi, cold war where countries in either side seemed to have (or actually had) african states on their side. Also, whatever happens economically on the world stage dreadfully guarantees that africa will bear the brunt since our economies are shaky. Africa is of fighters, but remember success always need a chance and an opportunity even for fighters, where hope becomes a reality.
I dont think we can have any discussion relevant to this thread if we are to hypothesize how africa would have been without colonization. What will our evaluations be based on? which is better amongst these: having been colonized and having not been colonized? dude, i cannot answer that coz i dont know how to evaluate the latter in contrast with the former. At any rate, an attempt will just be the usual blabber.
I hope this reshapes the scope of the thread in a way that shows that africa and africans are not 2 different entities, and that there are elements beyond our direct and/or capable control that affect africa. I now expect someone to tell me to stop blaming the white man. I am not. The choices we make, whether through diplomatic coercion or deliberate will all have effects. Maybe the question is why such decisions were made-coerced or otherwise. The problems there not because there is a problem with Africa, but because Africa has Africans, and Africans are people, and people have problems! The saddening thing is that in Africa this very human problems seem to be profoundly loud. Other parts of the world have problems because there are people there and there is something very human about messing up and sometimes doing so with very long-reaching effects.
Finally, i was avoiding to go here: your comment regarding to chinese and arabs as invaders is unwarranted! i hope when you read and reply next time that you are indeed in africa and not invading another persons country. Unless there is some reason your very own standards do not apply to you-and that, as you well know, would be absurd.
Kenyan in usa! I love my invasion here
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Last edited by Valhalla : 03-06-2008 at 01:00 PM.
Reason: lots of time in my hands
By the way, this thread should not make a distinction between africa and africans. Africa is not plagued by poverty, wars, etc in the absence of africans; it is the africans who are experiencing all these, and then some. But this may just be semantics.
I think what he meant, I believe he was bringing up the issue of environmental conditions. For example, "Is Antartica the problem? or the problem Antarticans?" Of course, Antartica is inhabitable to humams. So are Africa's conditions totally inhospitable?
I was talking to a friend of mine, who just arrived from Dubai. He was amazed that Indian construction workers can work in the blazing scorching heat of 40 degrees centigrade plus. This means we can fight environmental conditions.
The other environment-based factor is disease. Africa could have been host to a number of epidemics - human, animal, food crops - that compromised population growth and social stability. This is a generally true principal of all tropical regions - Asia, Oceania and the Americas. Western medicine and public health have put paid to that, so we should expect solid societies in the next centuries.
The weather: we must remember Sahara and Kalahari are in Africa. If we spend all our effort looking for a handful of maize, we're not gonna develop. (By the way, our dependence on maize, an imported crop, is one big mistake Africans have made. A very big mistake.)
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Finally, i was avoiding to go here: your comment regarding to chinese and arabs as invaders is unwarranted! i hope when you read and reply next time that you are indeed in africa and not invading another persons country. Unless there is some reason your very own standards do not apply to you-and that, as you well know, would be absurd.
Africa has forever been the object of looting and plundering of natural resources. In fact, this answers the question: "Africa" is not the problem. If an African lives in poverty on top of an oil or diamond deposit, then well, he is stupid.
I think what he meant, I believe he was bringing up the issue of environmental conditions. For example, "Is Antartica the problem? or the problem Antarticans?" Of course, Antartica is inhabitable to humams. So are Africa's conditions totally inhospitable?
I was talking to a friend of mine, who just arrived from Dubai. He was amazed that Indian construction workers can work in the blazing scorching heat of 40 degrees centigrade plus. This means we can fight environmental conditions.
The other environment-based factor is disease. Africa could have been host to a number of epidemics - human, animal, food crops - that compromised population growth and social stability. This is a generally true principal of all tropical regions - Asia, Oceania and the Americas. Western medicine and public health have put paid to that, so we should expect solid societies in the next centuries.
The weather: we must remember Sahara and Kalahari are in Africa. If we spend all our effort looking for a handful of maize, we're not gonna develop. (By the way, our dependence on maize, an imported crop, is one big mistake Africans have made. A very big mistake.)
Africa has forever been the object of looting and plundering of natural resources. In fact, this answers the question: "Africa" is not the problem. If an African lives in poverty on top of an oil or diamond deposit, then well, he is stupid.
IF your piece of land in Africa had oil or diamonds, you would not be able to do anything about it. Unless you are some way implying that the African with oil or diamonds in his 1 acre plot can mine himself into financial glory. Impossible! Someone will buy the dude out and it will not be at a "reasonable" price when compared with potential profits.
So, the idea of calling such an African stupid misses lots of important factors. You agree?
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