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11-24-2007, 11:17 PM
On the Indian subcontinent, Babur (1483-1530), the founder of the Mughal Empire, who is revered as a paragon of Muslim tolerance by modern revisionist historians, recorded the following in his autobiographical “Baburnama,” about infidel prisoners of a jihad campaign: "Those who were brought in alive [having surrendered] were ordered beheaded, after which a tower of skulls was erected in the camp."
Historical background.
Beheading of the criminals with a sword or axe was a common practice by all ancient civilizations for thousands of years. Beheading was widely used in Europe, Asia and Africa (Muslim and non-Muslim alike) until the very early 20th century, and only recently entire civilized world have abandoned this ancient cruel practice of capital punishment. But this barbaric ancient practice still exists in the Muslim world only. Among them are-Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Yemen and Iran and erstwhile Talebani Afghanistan. Beheadings have also occurred (perpetrated by the Jihadis in the recent past) in Algeria, Nigeria, Kashmir, Chechnya and the Muslim-dominated southern Philippines. Iranian mullahs have cut off the heads of some political figures. The Beirut CIA station chief William Buckley was kidnapped by Hezbollah and sent to Iran, where he was beheaded in 1986.
The beheading Capital of the modern world-Saudi Arabia.
Saudi Arabia is the birth place of Islam. Holy Quran ( Sharia laws) is the Saudi Arabia’s constitution. Islamic Sharia (Islamic Hudut laws) was formulated from the Quran and ahadiths which permits beheading of the infidels and ugly criminals like killers. Please don’t come to make your empty claim-that Saudi Arabia is not a real Islamic country! You have to give us crucial reasons why Saudi is not a real Islamic country? Also you must give us examples where lies the real Islam? Also please do not make empty sound of “mistranslation” or your ludicrous claim of so called “out of context”. Quran is considered eternal by the fanatical Muslims. Therefore, nothing is out of context to the fanatics of Islam until the judgement day!
Saudi Arabia uses public beheading as the punishment for murder, rape, drug trafficking, sodomy and armed robbery, apostasy and certain other offences such as homosexuality illicit love affairs of Saudi girls (one Saudi princess was beheaded for illicit love). 45 men and 2 women were beheaded in 2002 and a further 52 men and 1 woman in 2003. The condemned of both sexes are given tranquillisers and then taken by police van to a public square or a car park after midday Friday prayers. Their eyes are covered and they are blindfolded. The police clear the square of traffic and a sheet of blue plastic sheet about 16 feet square is laid out on the ground. Dressed in their own clothes, barefoot, with shackled feet and hands cuffed behind their back, the prisoner is led by a police officer to the centre of the sheet where they are made to kneel facing Mecca. An Interior Ministry official reads out the prisoner's name and crime to the crowd of witnesses. Saudi Arabia also cut (Chopping) hands and feet of the thieves. And Saudi does this as per Islamic code and tradition.
The Saudi government says the punishment (Qisas) is sanctioned by Islamic tradition. State-ordered beheadings are performed in courtyards outside crowded mosques in major cities after weekly Friday prayer services. A condemned convict is brought into the courtyard; hands tied, and forced to bow before an executioner, who swings a huge sword amid cries from onlookers of "Allahu Akbar!" Arabic for "God is great."
No Remorse at all in the Arab Medias:
While prison abuse scandal in the Abu Ghraib jail in Iraq created deluge of criticisms, condemnations and apology in the west, especially among the American medias, but it is astoundingly surprising that these brutal, barbaric beheadings of innocent civilian infidels in Iraq created virtually no remorse or condemnation in the entire Muslim world in general, in the entire Arab world in particular. In his Washington post essay titled: “Where's the Arab Media's Sense of Outrage?” Mamoun Fandy a columnist for two daily newspapers, Asharq al-Awsat in London and al-Ahram in Cairo, put his outrage in this way: “As I scanned Arab satellite channels and Arabic newspapers, I found a lot of reporting on the brutal attacks by the terrorists, but very little condemnation and a widespread willingness to run the stomach-turning video and photos (beheadings) again and again. Showing videotapes of people being shot, beheaded or held hostage with a curved sword aimed at their neck is largely new terrain for the Arab media. As a media critic whose focus is the Arab world, I have watched perhaps a dozen Arab channels and read countless newspapers in recent weeks. I found that few Arab commentators and journalists noted either that major shift or its significance. In particular, the Kim and Johnson beheadings generally have been reported as if they were quite ordinary.
Al-Jazeera is the famous Arab network that calls every Arab suicide bomber a shaheed, or martyr. Islamic radicals have killed writers in Algeria, Egypt and elsewhere whose work challenged the logic of martyrdom and "random jihad," or killing foreigners in the name of Islam. But the lack of condemnation of the beheadings, despite their barbarism, is a direct result of a broad and dangerous trend in Arab media and in Arab culture broadly. The Arab world today swims in a sea of linguistic violence that justifies terrorism and makes it acceptable, especially to the young.
One Egyptian student told me the Americans "deserve [killing] for their support to Israel and their occupation of Iraq." A Kuwaiti who recently graduated from a Pennsylvania university said of Americans, "Don't believe them when they say it is al Qaeda that is slaying Americans. It is Americans who are killing Americans to justify their presence in the Arab world and to control Arab oil." Arabs should stop deceiving themselves by confusing the suffering of Arabs in Iraq and the occupied territories in Israel with the beheading of innocent people in Iraq and elsewhere.”
Why Killing Islamically: (?)
Perhaps, many can not quite conceive why these Islamic terrorists use this ancient barbaric method of beheading (by sword, knives or Axes) to kill kaffirs, instead of using simple and sure method of bullets. This is because they are the true Muslims and true followers of the best human Prophet Muhammad. It’s not true that they have any shortage of guns and pistols. But they are afraid to disobeying Prophet’s methods and tactics prescribed by the holy Quran. They are desperate to get full benefits (getting lucrative Islamic heavens as promised by the Quran) of their service to Islam. Therefore they are bound to use Prophetic methods (read Islamic style) of killing/assassinating the enemies of Allah and Prophet by slitting necks, cutting hands and legs by a long curve sword. This is the same good reason why in Bangladesh-Jamati Islami,s (a political party) student-wing Chatra-Shibir’s jihadis use to kill their opponents by cutting hands and feet. They want to follow everything as per Islamic code. Because Islam still sits and firmly anchored in the 7th century medieval period and never will move ahead.
Conclusion:
Hope it is now clear why Islamic jihadis are cutting necks (beheading), chopping wrists, hands and legs of anybody who dares to go against Allah and Prophet. Because they know more than anybody of us that ‘beheading’ is of course, prescribed method of Islamic killing. Islamists also consider beheading as the most degrading way of killing lowly human beings (called Kaffirs) and they love to use this brutal barbaric method to kill any infidels, because they hate infidels worst than the dog.
Thanks to our blind-eyed hypocritical Muslim elites (both residing inside their native lands and outside in the western paradise of democracy) for their intentional ignorance about the real Islam. Their broken records of “this is not real Islam” will only add more fuel to the infernos of jihadis mindsets to commit more and more Islamic barbarism. Uttering the most heinous phrase: “This is not the real Islam” will do no good to the millions of Muslims. Mind you, Islamic terrorists, al-Qaeda jihadists, Osama-bin-laden, and so called Wahabi followers are all perfect and real Muslims by the book. They are the ardent followers of the Islamic scriptures. These jihadis will never listen to your logic or advice; they all will take advice and teachings from the Holy book called Quran and sahi hadiths (traditions of Prophet Muhammad).
Time has arrived now to identify and intervening the real cause of this ancient medieval stupidity. Real problem is with the ancient teachings of Islam (read Qur’an) which are outdated and no longer fitting the today’s civilized world. Nothing can change this precarious situation of Muslims unless we realize the real problem and take care of it.
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11-26-2007, 04:54 AM
why are you forgetting about the electric chair the guillotines or is it because these are practised in the christian state that makes it divine. he in kenya people are being caned and hanged in prisons is it an islamic thing or who introduced that to this country is it the arabs or muslims???....NO get a life matiba and see the truth...by the way i have a strong feeling that you will not die without becoming a muslim you will indeed be one and it is very soon. very soon... and mark my words you will remember them when that time comes... it is people like you that islam needs. it is people like you who osama needs as suicide attackers. you are an extremist and a fundamentalist you can make a good suicide attacker....may allah give you guidance and let you see the light in islam if not through you let it be through your siblings and family, may allah bless you with the knowledge of islam so as you may see the truth in it. AMEN
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11-26-2007, 11:26 AM
Acid attack on boy who 'refused sex with Muslim cleric'
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By Massoud Ansari in Karachi
(Filed: 08/02/2004)
On his hospital bed last week, 16-year-old Abid Tanoli sat listless and alone, half of his body covered by burns that all but destroyed both his eyes and left his face horribly disfigured.
The teenager talked, with difficulty, of how his life had been destroyed since the fateful day in June 2002 when he refused to have sex with his teacher at a religious school in Pakistan.
The boy was horrifically injured in an acid attack after he rebuffed the Muslim cleric's sexual advances. Now, he has alarmed Pakistan's powerful religious establishment by pressing charges against his alleged assailants.
A teacher at the school, who cannot be named for legal reasons, and two of his friends are in prison awaiting trial for attempted murder and rape. All three deny the charges. A fourth alleged attacker is still at large.
It is the first such case to be brought against a Muslim cleric and threatens to expose a scandal of sex abuse within Pakistan's secretive Islamic schools.
Abid was blinded and maimed in the assault, which he says came shortly after he rejected sexual demands from the Islamic teacher at a madrassa in a crowded, lower middle-class district of Karachi. "He threatened to ruin me for life," Abid recalled, "but I didn't take him seriously. I just stopped going to the madrassa".
Abid, who was 14 at the time, told neither parents nor friends what had happened because, he said, he was ashamed. A few days later, as he played with his brothers and sister at home, he said that his religious teacher - accompanied by three associates - broke into the house, bolted the door and threw acid over him, screaming: "This should be a lesson for your life."
Abid was taken to a public hospital, where doctors told him that he would be scarred for life.
Lawyers and campaigners against sexual abuse of children say that it is not uncommon in Pakistan, especially in the segregated surroundings of the country's estimated 20,000 religious schools, but cases involving members of the clergy are rarely - if ever - exposed.
"They are either hushed up and sorted out within the confines of school, or parents are pressurised not to report the incident to the media as it would give religion a bad name," said Zia Ahmed Awan, the president of Madadgaar, a joint project of LHRLA (Lawyers for Human Rights and Legal Aid) and Unicef, the United Nations children's fund.
Haroon Tanoli, Abid's father, met strong resistance when he tried to take up his son's case with officials at the school. He says that they offered to help him secure a cash payment from the alleged attackers, provided that he did not involve the police. Since then, he has been threatened with harsh consequences for refusing to back down.
"I despise hypocrites who sport huge beards in the name of religion and hinder the passage of justice in the name of Islam," said Mr Tanoli.
"I had a beard, and all my four sons were studying in a madrassa. However, following this incident, the first thing I did was to pull my children out of the madrassa - and shave off my beard."
Even as Abid was receiving treatment, the religious authorities pressed the hospital to discharge him. Mr Tanoli managed to get him admitted to a different hospital, where he is being treated free, although the family cannot afford an operation to save his sight.
Mr Tanoli refuses to back down, despite being offered one million rupees (£12,000) by the teacher's relations if he withdraws the charges. He has moved to a secret location for his own safety.
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03-11-2008, 11:54 PM
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Originally Posted by kenneth matiba
acid attack on boy who 'refused sex with muslim cleric' back to the radical islam page by massoud ansari in karachi (filed: 08/02/2004) on his hospital bed last week, 16-year-old abid tanoli sat listless and alone, half of his body covered by burns that all but destroyed both his eyes and left his face horribly disfigured. The teenager talked, with difficulty, of how his life had been destroyed since the fateful day in june 2002 when he refused to have sex with his teacher at a religious school in pakistan. The boy was horrifically injured in an acid attack after he rebuffed the muslim cleric's sexual advances. Now, he has alarmed pakistan's powerful religious establishment by pressing charges against his alleged assailants. A teacher at the school, who cannot be named for legal reasons, and two of his friends are in prison awaiting trial for attempted murder and rape. All three deny the charges. A fourth alleged attacker is still at large. It is the first such case to be brought against a muslim cleric and threatens to expose a scandal of sex abuse within pakistan's secretive islamic schools. Abid was blinded and maimed in the assault, which he says came shortly after he rejected sexual demands from the islamic teacher at a madrassa in a crowded, lower middle-class district of karachi. "he threatened to ruin me for life," abid recalled, "but i didn't take him seriously. I just stopped going to the madrassa". Abid, who was 14 at the time, told neither parents nor friends what had happened because, he said, he was ashamed. A few days later, as he played with his brothers and sister at home, he said that his religious teacher - accompanied by three associates - broke into the house, bolted the door and threw acid over him, screaming: "this should be a lesson for your life." abid was taken to a public hospital, where doctors told him that he would be scarred for life. Lawyers and campaigners against sexual abuse of children say that it is not uncommon in pakistan, especially in the segregated surroundings of the country's estimated 20,000 religious schools, but cases involving members of the clergy are rarely - if ever - exposed. "they are either hushed up and sorted out within the confines of school, or parents are pressurised not to report the incident to the media as it would give religion a bad name," said zia ahmed awan, the president of madadgaar, a joint project of lhrla (lawyers for human rights and legal aid) and unicef, the united nations children's fund. Haroon tanoli, abid's father, met strong resistance when he tried to take up his son's case with officials at the school. He says that they offered to help him secure a cash payment from the alleged attackers, provided that he did not involve the police. Since then, he has been threatened with harsh consequences for refusing to back down. "i despise hypocrites who sport huge beards in the name of religion and hinder the passage of justice in the name of islam," said mr tanoli. "i had a beard, and all my four sons were studying in a madrassa. However, following this incident, the first thing i did was to pull my children out of the madrassa - and shave off my beard." even as abid was receiving treatment, the religious authorities pressed the hospital to discharge him. Mr tanoli managed to get him admitted to a different hospital, where he is being treated free, although the family cannot afford an operation to save his sight. Mr tanoli refuses to back down, despite being offered one million rupees (£12,000) by the teacher's relations if he withdraws the charges. He has moved to a secret location for his own safety.
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03-12-2008, 02:44 PM
Though you sound to be educated, you don't need to be a rocket scientist to know most of the pedophile are from the western world.
Lately we all know the Anglican church cordons homosexual even from the high hierarchy, unless your not in this world to deny such an allegation, talk of any big time gay weddings, you will see it will involves two Christians, and now this "holy matrimony" can be solemnized in the church!
History tell us pope Athanus in 17th century killed over 1 million non Christians.....read ( Muslims and Jews)in Jerusalem, that is a small number to you. Hitler was a Muslim I bet?
Know your history well, most of us Kenyans and greater Africa countries ware colonized and civilized by the early missionaries, effect of which are still open to us to see to date, have you read or watched Ali Mazurui, Africa the triple heritage?
Portraying Islam as barbaric you would be biased by not mentioning the earlier era of Christians Missionary how barbaric it was or the current zionic system.
We all know the Bible was written and compile 300 hundreds year after the death of Jesus, so? what your following is not what Jesus preach.
Finally you need to read more about what we Muslims believe in the here after.
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