[furaniwafurani]

time is an abstraction, meaning its a concept born in the human mind, it helps us function as physical beings, eg you couldnt judge distance if you didnt have a sense of time.. if you go beyond the mind like the buddha or jesus you would realise theres no time but only NOW in that state theres only PEACE and ONENESS and thus a sense of being as BIG as the universe, a simple analogy would be a football on a football field if you were the ball you would need time to travell from one side of the pitch to the other side, but if you were the pitch then theres no sense of time since you cover the whole distance of the pitch same thing if you felt as big as the universe.

[Atabong]

Originally Posted by Type R

Yes.

Next?

21:55(i.e 9:55pm) Tuesday November 2007 in Honolulu is 09:55a.m Wednesday 28th November 2007 in Cairo, and 19:55(i.e 7.55pm) Wednesday 28th November in Auckland.

Will the man in Honolulu jump at the time stated above on Tuesday and wait for the guy in Cairo to jump on Wednesday who should also wait for the one in Auckland to jump in the evening at 7:55pm?

Looking at your other responses Type R, we assume your answer is No but before we get down to the crux of the matter please try and explain this disparity and where the so called time difference has gone

[Atabong]

Originally Posted by furaniwafurani

time is an abstraction, meaning its a concept born in the human mind .

furani, when you state born in the human mind what exacly do you mean?

[youngben]

Originally Posted by Atabong

21:55(i.e 9:55pm) Tuesday November 2007 in Honolulu is 09:55a.m Wednesday 28th November 2007 in Cairo, and 19:55(i.e 7.55pm) Wednesday 28th November in Auckland.

Will the man in Honolulu jump at the time stated above on Tuesday and wait for the guy in Cairo to jump on Wednesday who should also wait for the one in Auckland to jump in the evening at 7:55pm?

Looking at your other responses Type R, we assume your answer is No but before we get down to the crux of the matter please try and explain this disparity and where the so called time difference has gone

Atabong, the folly here is looking at the time measurement rather than the time, putting it into perspective, If am in Ghana, you in Kenya and Type R in California, USA, and we are teleconferencing, which is in real time. and we decide lets jump to the count of 3, OK i 2 3 JUMP!

We will all have jumped at the same although our respective time stamps will be reading different, you will have jumped at GMT+3hrs (3:00pm), I will have jumped at GMT (12:00pm) and Type R will have jumped at GMT -5hr (7:00 am).

Unless i did not get your query right

[Atabong]

Originally Posted by youngben

Atabong, the folly here is looking at the time measurement rather than the time,

Can you please explain what you mean by looking at the

time measurement rather than time

[youngben]

Originally Posted by Atabong

Can you please explain what you mean by looking at the

I meant to differentiate, looking at the time, as per local time - using your watch and event time (universal), if we were to observe an event in the sky millions of km away, everybody with a direct line of sight will view it at the same event time, but actual logging of viewing will be done using local time.

[tic tac]

time might have really passed me by, i had not thought of TIME.reading this thread ive gotten some really strong points..mhhhh lemmie think about time.well one thing i know God says He is the alpha and omega, then in the bible theres a reference of time,i.e. in the beginning there was.......then theres eternity after this life so time will not exsist, i mean eternity is timeless.well food for thought lemmie think about that.

[Mwenda Pole]

Time is just one measure of change, and plays no part in what change occurs, how change occurs, or when... it is like saying the centimetre determines how long a ruler should be, and thus how many rulers I will use to measure the height of the Letter "A". To try and explain further... since the letter "A" is just a part of an accepted key of communication in the same way a hieroglyph is, we have never defined the letter "A" as having height, however in this laptop (my world) it seem to be about twice the height of the letter "t", now on your computer (your world) it may show the same way, even though you may have your screen magnified more or less than mine, or using eye glasses, or a different font......... so how does the ruler determine how your letter "A" and my letter "A" fit together? Answer= does not.... but since somehow Microsoft and apple or whatever program you are using, have agreed to define certain fonts as having certain height and width and depth parameters, by using a predefined scale (cm)... we can agree and say the letter "A" is about roughly 1/3 of a centimetre in height......
The software (Time Zone)
The Preset Scale (Earth Rotation vs Diameter of Earth surface)
The Centimeter (The second)
The Ruler (day, hour, Min, Season, year, month etc) scales of the second...
The letter "A" (change, or measure needed, answer needed)

Imagine that the whole world was flat (Two dimensional, i.e length and width).. and the sun never moved, but was always in the middle of the sky, and the moon constantly onto one side......... however once in a while, and in a very random sequence (not at all prdictable) the sun would disappear (causing darkness/night), and then any period later reappear (causing Light/daylight)...even if this happened for eons, and you managed to keep a thorough record of the disappearing and reappearing act.. how would you define and explain time to a new member to your planet....and how would your time differ than the time you use now......eeeh, think about it, and create your time

How does the clock/watch relate to the Train (history), or the compass to the ship?

[Atabong]

Originally Posted by tic tac

time might have really passed me by, i had not thought of TIME.

Don't worry tic tack; no time has passed us by. Humanity is trapped in an illusion, ghost of our own making. Do you realize that no matter what time you read this you will always be reading it now? I mean, when time does not exist?

[Type R]

Originally Posted by furaniwafurani

time is an abstraction, meaning its a concept born in the human mind, it helps us function as physical beings, eg you couldnt judge distance if you didnt have a sense of time..

Read my earlier posts: you can't judge time if you don't have a sense of distance.

Infants (say, 4-month old babies) have no sense of time, but when you move the toy "too far away" from them, they cry! A sense of distance comes first, and then time is derived thereof.

As a child grows to understand the world, there is something that happens between the development of sense of space (primary) and a sense of "time" (complex): it is the realization of certain regular movements patterns (eg daytime-nighttime), and then the drawing up of relationships between Pattern A, Pattern B and Pattern C, etc, etc. Some of these correlations may be between natural and artificial occurrences, eg "evening" (a light/dark pattern) means "go to sleep", and "dawn" means "wake up."

However, certain patterns do not harmonize well with other patterns. eg the sun's setting and rising vs the moon's rising and setting, these two patterns clash, that's why the lunar calendar has been abandoned as a measure of time (except in Ethiopia).

What we need most is that first perceived regular pattern (day/night/day/night, or summer/fall/winter/spring/summer/fall/winter...), and then we can correlate others patterns to it. That is the beginning of "time."

Why does man need "time?" If time is an understanding of physical change, why does man need to understand patterns of physical change. Answer is simple: in order to live!

The summer/fall/winter/spring/summer/fall/winter... pattern helps man (and animals too) understand WHEN FOOD AND WATER AND WARMTH WILL BE AVAILABLE (pattern 2 in sync with pattern 1). Climatic conditions could kill you.

Ancient cave man's observations: Every "time" the weather gets cold, trees shed leaves. Every "time" it gets snowy/icy, non-animal food is unavailable. Every "time" it starts warming up, plants start regenerating. Every "time" it gets warm, fruits and berries are available. He thus establishes a dual "time" pattern correlation: climate x food source. "For every occurrence of event x, event y occurs."

Ancient man observed seasons: Leaves fall from trees = it's about to get COLD = food won't grow = water may be unavailable, this means STORE UP OR DIE: once you mentally tie several patterns together in this manner, you gain the power to predict. Even animals do this correlation.

You correlate one physical change pattern with another physical change pattern, using one of them (the most unchanging one) as a base reference point - that is what you call time.

The best physical "time" patterns are the ones that are wholly in sync with each other (1-1, 1-2, 4-1). Fractions are hell.