understanding the devil

reggie_woic · (#1 (**permalink**))

is the devil "happy" or "satisfied" in hell?
or is the devil burning or experiencing some sort of punishment down there?
does the devil have free will - free will to influence us here on earth?

what i'm basically asking is: what exactly can the devil DO; what capacities or abilities does he have?

reggie_woic · (#2 (**permalink**))

assuming he/she exists..

YB* · (#3 (**permalink**))

Very good questions! Makes you look at things differently doesn’t it?

If hell is such a bad place for anyone, does that mean that Satan also would leave given the chance?

Knowing he has the chance to leave hell i.e. he keeps popping into earth, why would he go back if it’s such a dreadful place?

Assuming he was created by God, Does that mean God has the capacity to create a being that actually enjoys evil (am sure you will say he changed – but you can only be what your limits lets you to be, so if he is evil that was his limit negatively, hot wired to his system by God)

If God created the devil, why do we assume and appropriate all bad and evil things to be the work of the devil, while the devil himself is God’s work? So its safe to assume God creates evil too! (I have compelling evidence and I think you do to!)

ndigila · (#4 (**permalink**))

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Originally Posted by YB*

If God created the devil, why do we assume and appropriate all bad and evil things to be the work of the devil, while the devil himself is God’s work? So its safe to assume God creates evil too! (I have compelling evidence and I think you do to!)

Let's put it this way, by creating free will, God created the potential for evil.

grip_daddy · (#5 (**permalink**))

is the devil "happy" or "satisfied" in hell?

The word translated hell is the some word translated grave or hade. But anyway, why do you think that the devil is in hell?

or is the devil burning or experiencing some sort of punishment down there?

Down where? Is hell down somewhere?

Revelation places the punishment of the devil in two phases; 1. As a chained individual in the bottomless pit for one thousand years and 2. Being thrown into the lake of fire after the release from the bottomless pit and also after trying to conquere the New Jerusalem.

Both 1 and 2 are in the future.

does the devil have free will - free will to influence us here on earth?

How else would he be punished and the punishment considered justice?

what i'm basically asking is: what exactly can the devil DO

He can do everything a human being can do, everything an angel can do, and he has powers to manipulate and confuse, even to masquerade as an angel of light.

what capacities or abilities does he have?

Read the book of Job. See how humanity is doing his will. The sad fact is that majority are on his side.

grip_daddy · (#6 (**permalink**))

Knowing he has the chance to leave hell i.e. he keeps popping into earth, why would he go back if it’s such a dreadful place?

Failure of mainstream evangelists to preach the truth about death, hell, everlasting fire and eternity leads to such absurdities. How could one even think that hell is a punishment when the individual confined to it enjoys it?

If God created the devil

Every free will entity in the Universe has an inherent capacity to rebel, but the ones loyal to God have chosen to remain thus. The ones that chose rebellion were given this world to demonstrate the nature of their government.

chotadipo · (#7 (**permalink**))

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Let's put it this way, by creating free will, God created the potential for evil.

And with this sentence, GOD all powerful and all knowing has been rendered a mute GOD.

ndigila · (#8 (**permalink**))

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And with this sentence, GOD all powerful and all knowing has been rendered a mute GOD.

Why is that?

chotadipo · (#9 (**permalink**))

^^Because if GOD creates free will and he also creates potential (key word here is potential) for evil, then he stops being a perfect GOD.

grip_daddy · (#10 (**permalink**))

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^^Because if GOD creates free will and he also creates potential (key word here is potential) for evil, then he stops being a perfect GOD.

If God had the ability to create beings with free will, and then He decided not to create those beings, could He have been perfect?