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Women in Saudi Arabia, whether Saudi Arabian or foreign, emerge time and again as victims of discrimination and human rights violations because of the gender bias in law, social mores and traditions. While women have gained some ground in terms of economic rights, their civil and political rights are systematically violated. Equal treatment for women and men is a fundamental principle of international human rights standards. Yet in Saudi Arabia discriminatory practices against women are not only prevalent, they are also in some cases required by law.
- An Amnesty International report on Saudi Arabia.
Women in Saudi Arabia are not allowed to drive, leave the country without authorisation from their husband or father, leave the house in unsuitable attire12, hold high-ranking jobs or be involved in the government. In fact, it was not until 2000 that Saudi Arabian women were allowed their own ID cards; they had previously been registered on their husbands' or fathers' cards. Laws, such as those against adultery, that are applicable to both men and women seem to only allow women to be punished. When investigations against women are carried out they are often conducted improperly and make use of unreliable evidence.
Many of these crimes against women, such as wife-beating, are ordained by the Qur’an itself; others, such as female genital mutilation and honor killing, are praised by Islamic clerics and hallowed by Islamic culture. That feminists in the West remain silent about this deeply ingrained and institutionalized mistreatment of women, and even ally with groups that have devoted themselves to the spread of Islamic law that justifies this mistreatment, is one of the unconscionable scandals of our time.

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WOMAN SENTENCED TO DEATH IN IRAN AKI - Adnkronos international Iran: Mother sentenced to death by stoning

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[Type R]

Women are treated harshly the world over.

Even when Jesus fed 5000 with 2 loaves and bread and some fish, the 5000 people who were counted were all men. They didn't count women and children, who were also there.

I cannot understand why you are singling out Islam.

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Originally Posted by Type R

Women are treated harshly the world over.

Even when Jesus fed 5000 with 2 loaves and bread and some fish, the 5000 people who were counted were all men. They didn't count women and children, who were also there.

I cannot understand why you are singling out Islam.

I am singling out islam because islam mistreats women.and also because islam is satanic.

[Type R]

I think you are trying to provoke for the sake of trying to provoke.

The history of many religions is horrible. Have you heard about what the ancient Crusaders did in the Middle East? Disgusting beyond disgusting. IN THE NAME OF CHRISTIANITY! Ain't that satanic?

You sound like someone with a small reasoning capacity. Unfortunately, you are very active here on Mashada and you may get noticed more...

I do agree that Islam has a problem in the way women are treated. Read this article: Court sentences rape victim.

But I am saying: the women treatment issue is international!!! Consider prostitution: do you know that 90%+ of women prostitutes are victims of violence and many are forced into the trade by fake employment promises made by Europeans and Americans? Are the East European, African and Asian women on the streets of Paris, Hamburg any better than a woman in a Bui Bui in Iran?

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Originally Posted by Type R

I think you are trying to provoke for the sake of trying to provoke.

The history of many religions is horrible. Have you heard about what the ancient Crusaders did in the Middle East? Disgusting beyond disgusting. IN THE NAME OF CHRISTIANITY! Ain't that satanic?

You sound like someone with a small reasoning capacity. Unfortunately, you are very active here on Mashada and you may get noticed more...

I do agree that Islam has a problem in the way women are treated. Read this article: Court sentences rape victim.

But I am saying: the women treatment issue is international!!! Consider prostitution: do you know that 90%+ of women prostitutes are victims of violence and many are forced into the trade by fake employment promises made by Europeans and Americans? Are the East European, African and Asian women on the streets of Paris, Hamburg any better than a woman in a Bui Bui in Iran?

No they are not better, and infact that is inhuman. My aim in this thread is to point out the fact that islam sanctions mistreatment of women, and views women negatively.the bible on the other hand, treats women with dignity, and is actually a champion for women's rights.it is people that are bad, and when a religion promotes the badness, then we have a philosophical contradiction. islam does not make any sense in a modern society.

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Originally Posted by Type R

I think you are trying to provoke for the sake of trying to provoke.

The history of many religions is horrible. Have you heard about what the ancient Crusaders did in the Middle East? Disgusting beyond disgusting. IN THE NAME OF CHRISTIANITY! Ain't that satanic?

You sound like someone with a small reasoning capacity. Unfortunately, you are very active here on Mashada and you may get noticed more...

I do agree that Islam has a problem in the way women are treated. Read this article: Court sentences rape victim.

But I am saying: the women treatment issue is international!!! Consider prostitution: do you know that 90%+ of women prostitutes are victims of violence and many are forced into the trade by fake employment promises made by Europeans and Americans? Are the East European, African and Asian women on the streets of Paris, Hamburg any better than a woman in a Bui Bui in Iran?

"I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-Fire were women....[because] they are ungrateful to their husbands and they are deficient in intelligence. " (The Prophet Muhammad) Sahih Bukhari V 2, B 24, N 541

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Type R - you are right in saying that women have been treated badly over the years all over the world. However, Islam, especially in countries like Saudi
Arabia, do go too far. There is absolutely no reason why in the year 2007, any woman should be subjected to what muslim women are subjected to in the deeply Islamic cultures.
When my sisters and I were growing up, my parents told us that we could marry men from anywhere in this world, so long as they were not muslim. Now I know why they told us that.

The books "The Caged Virgin" and "The Infidel" by Ayaan Hirsi Ali are real eye openers into the world of women and Islam.

I, however, disagree that Islam is satanic.

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In Iran, the Islamic punishments have encouraged a culture of violence against women, especially within the family and has spilled into violence against children. This has been commented upon by many within the country. The fact that men receive a lighter punishment if they commit a violence against women undoubtedly encourages such violence. We saw how women could be killed with impunity during alleged adultery. Stoning to death for adultery, although technically admissible for both sexes, has also been carried out mainly against women.

Newspapers are full of accounts of wives, sisters, daughters, and children murdered and its inevitable corollary: the killing of the husband. The family has become an institution of violence. The psychological effects of these laws, reflecting as they do in the legal world the constant degradation women have to face in government offices, courts, streets etc, that is wherever they come face to face with officialdom, is profound though unmeasurable. Perhaps the increasing suicide rates of women is a window to the despair. A number of psychiatrists working in Iran have commented on this .