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11-22-2007, 07:32 PM
Qur'an 5:33-34 provides a synopsis of Islam's message. Men are not persuaded into Islam; they are forced into submission. Allah began his final surah announcing he: "had chosen submission as man's religion." Now he is explaining the means he intends to use to impose his choice - terror! Execution, crucifixion, mutilation, and imprisonment are not intellectual or spiritual inducements.
This passage highlights why the real God hates religion. Evil men create perverse and deceitful doctrines to coerce capitulation - to excuse murder and mayhem. And they use religion to control men's lives so that cleric and king might prosper. All the while their coconspirator, Satan, uses religion to deceive mankind, separating us from our creator. The deception, death, and damnation of man is the Devil's life ambition.
Yahweh based his relationship with us on choice. We choose what to believe and in whom to trust. He recognized that love cannot be forced. Submission is the antithesis of the Scriptural message. One cannot love what one fears. (Biblically, the Hebrew " yare " means "revere" in reference to God, not fear.) Love cannot be seduced either, as a loving relationship is based upon open disclosure - truth, not deception. This is why Muhammad's cravings were never satisfied. In this regard, Yahweh and Allah could not be more different.
Qur'an 5.35 "Believers, fear Allah and seek the way to approach Him, striving hard [fighting Jihad] with all your might in His Cause [deception, death, and damnation] that you may be successful. As for the disbelievers [previously defined as Christians], if they had everything on earth, two times over, to give as ransom for the penalty of the Day of Doom, it would never be accepted from them. Theirs will be a painful torment. They will desire to get out of the fire, but they shall not be released from it. They shall have an everlasting punishment."
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hello, i have viewed your websitge, and I just want to say what is the pourpose for all of this dung? Muslims are not terrorists! I am a Muslim and i have to work to convince people i am not a terrorist. Its people like you who bring unrealiable information into society. I, for one, am appaled. there are not all bad Mulims. (AH)
Thanks for the note. You are right. There is considerable dung on the site. After all, the book is dedicated to exposing what Muhammad did and what he said. So what part didn't you like-- Muhammad's orders regarding jihad, his terrorist raids, Allah's commands for Muslims to fight and kill all non-Muslims. Personally, I find every one of the 2000 Muhammad and Allah quotes repulsive. I am amazed that anyone trusts such a vile man or his demented god.
I'm pleased that you are not a terrorist. But I have some bad news for you. According to the Qur'an, if you aren't leaving your home to fight jihad in Allah's Cause, you are a hypocrite, and you are no longer a Muslim. Furthermore, according to the Qur'an, your god hates you. Allah's most repetitive theme in the Mecca surahs is the pain and punishment he will personally inflict in hell. Allah's most repetitive theme in the Medina surahs is that peaceful Muslims are hypocrites and that they will endure the worst of these tortures.
There are a thousand quotes on the site if you want to get a more complete view of Muhammad's and Allah's thoughts on fighting. I have a section dedicated to what they had to say about terrorism, too. It's revolting. I would encourage you to read what they said about tolerance, Christians, and Jews, as well. It'll make you sick (hopefully).
There are lots more of these on the site. I encourage you to read them. Based upon what they say, I'd recommend a new prophet and God. If you are interested in finding a loving one, read the Epilogue of Prophet of Doom .
I urge you to read Ishaq's Sira. It is the only account of Muhammad's life written within 200 years of his death. Since you are not a terrorist, you won't like the real Muhammad very well because he was a terrorist according to the Sira.
Your claim that I bring unreliable information is bogus. It is Muslims who have been deceived by their clerics. I only quote from 5 sources. They are Islam's oldest and most reliable. Anything that is said about Islam or Muhammad that isn't based upon what these five books say is unreliable opinion. The simple truth is either the Hadith Collections in Ishaq's Sira and Tabari's History are right, and Muhammad was a very evil and violent man, or they are wrong and virtually nothing is known of him or the Qur'an he said he got from Gabriel. It's a lose-lose game. And the stakes are high. You're betting your soul.
I continue to be appalled that Muslims do not know their scriptures or their prophet. When I quote what they did and said from the oldest and most reliable sources, Muslims get angry with me, not at Muhammad.
And rather than deal with the only information we have available to us regarding Muhammad, Muslims always try to say that their behavior isn't as violent as others. Your point regarding abortion clinics is an example. Muslim Jihadists following Muhammad's and Allah's orders and example are killing millions and the best you can do is to say that some misguided Christians have killed a few. The difference isn't only in the magnitude of the murders, it's also in the authorization. There is no New Testament order for Christians to kill. There are thousands of them in the Qur'an and Sunnah ordering Muslims to kill non-Muslims and former Muslims called hypocrites. The OT commands were for the Canaanites and thus they do not apply today. The Qur'an's orders to fight and kill are open ended. Muslims are ordered to fight until the only religion is Islam. According to the Qur'an and Hadith Collections, or Sunnah, all good Muslims are killers. That is the opposite of the Bible.
Actually, I love Muslims in spite of their rage, in spite of their ignorance of their own scriptures. I am dedicated to sharing all that is known about Muhammad and the formation of Islam. You can continue to be deceived if you wish, but at least I have tried to awaken you to the truth. And that's all I can do.
You can stay angry or you can read the Sira. It's your choice. (Craig)
Sir, your interpretations of the Quran and other book are very antagonistic and extraordinarily incorrect. what do you have against Muslims? I will show you the verses you stated, and show you what the authentic version is, done by one who has studied Islam for years (AH)
You are splitting hairs, often incorrectly, and are missing the forest for the trees. I have listed 1000 Islamic verses that command and glorify fighting. The enemy is peaceful Muslims called hypocrites, Christians, Jews, and all non-Muslims.
Islam is a call to arms. Muslims are ordered to fight and kill until all non-Muslims either surrender and pay the jizah tax, or die. I have arranged these by subject like Bukhari, and I have arranged them chronologically, in context, like Ishaq. The message is the same either way.
There is no "authentic" version. There are many translations. I have 12 on the Qur'an alone and I consult at least 5 of them before I render any passage to text. However, you should know, that one out of every five verses in the Qur'an is indecipherable in any language. Allah leaves words out, he uses made up words that no one understands, and he omits context and chronology. That is why Qur'an translations differ so significantly.
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11-22-2007, 07:33 PM
Each of the following quotes is from the "Spoils of War" surah. It explains why Muslims are willing to kill to achieve their monopoly. Qur'an 8:1 "They ask you about the benefits of capturing the spoils of war. Tell them: 'The benefits belong to Allah and to His Messenger.' So fulfill your duty to Allah and the Prophet." Qur'an 8:5 "Your Lord sent you from your homes to fight for the true cause." Qur'an 8:7 "Allah wished to confirm the truth by His words: 'Wipe the infidels out to the last." Qur'an 8:12 "I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle." Qur'an 8:15 "Believers, when you meet the unbelievers in battle, do not turn your back on them for any Muslim who retreats will bring the wrath of Allah on himself and will abide in Hell." Qur'an 8:72 "Those who accepted Islam and left their homes to fight in Allah's Cause with their possessions and persons, and those who gave them shelter and aided them are your allies. You are only called to protect Muslims who fight." Qur'an 8:73 "The infidels aid one another. Unless you do the same there will be anarchy in the land. Those who accepted Islam and left their homes to fight in Allah's Cause are good Muslims." Qur'an 8:57 "If you meet them in battle, inflict on them such a defeat as would be a lesson for those who come after them, that they may be warned." Qur'an 8:59 "The infidels should not think that they can get away from us. Prepare against them whatever arms and weaponry you can muster so that you may terrorize them. They are your enemy and Allah's enemy." Qur'an 8:71 "He will give you mastery over them." Qur'an 8:39 "So, fight them till all opposition ends and the only religion is Islam." (Craig Winn)
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Through your web site you are misinforming people about a religion who has never preached hatred. (AQ)
That is absurd. How can revealing what "the religion's" oldest scriptures actually say be considered "misinforming people?" If the Sira and Hadith collections are misinformation, then by exposing them I have done you a great service.
Here's the bottom line: either the Sira is true and Muhammad was the most evil man whoever lived, or the Sira is false and you know nothing about Allah's lonevoice. You cannot perform the five pillars and can't make sense of the Qur'an as it lacks context and chronology. The Qur'an's commands to follow Muhammad's example and his orders are rendered impossible.
But it's worse than that. The Qur'an and Hadith Collections are the most hateful and intolerant books ever written. Why don't you familiarize yourself with some of the quotes under intolerance, Christians, and Jews in the Quotations appendix on the POD site? Why don't you read the 1000 terror, jihad, murder, torture, war, and fighting quotes from the Qur'an and Hadith posted for your convenience? Don't you like what the Qur'an and Hadith actually say? (Craig)
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Does Islam promote violence and terrorism? No. Islam is religion of peace and submission and stresses on the sanctity of human life. (IA)
You may fool those who have not studied the Hadith and Qur'an with this gross deception but not someone who has. No dogma in all of human history is as intolerant, violent, and incompatible with the sanctity of human life than Islam. The only peace in Islam is surrender and submission to the oppressor.
If you have been deceived to the point that you actually believe what you wrote then you need to read Prophet of Doom to discover the truth about Muhammad and the fraud he perpetrated for sex, power, and money. However, if you know the truth and are following Muhammad's example of using deception, you need to think about the foolishness of that endeavor.
Why would you trust your soul to someone like this:
Bukhari:V7B67N427 "The Prophet said, 'If I take an oath and later find something else better than that, then I do what is better and expiate my oath.'"
Qur'an 9:3 "Allah and His Messenger dissolve obligations."
Qur'an 66:1 "Allah has already sanctioned for you the dissolution of your vows."
Bukhari:V4B52N268 "Allah's Apostle said, 'War is deceit.'"
Qur'an 4:142 "Surely the hypocrites strive to deceive Allah. He shall retaliate by deceiving them."
Bukhari:V7B71N661 "Magic was worked on Allah's Apostle and he was bewitched so that he began to imagine doing things which in fact, he had not done."
Trusting a liar, and then deceiving others on his behalf, is a fools folly. (Craig)
A verse in the Quran says, [Chapter 5, verse 32], that "anyone who saves one life, it is as if he has saved the whole of mankind and anyone who has killed another person (except in lieu of murder or mischief on earth) it is as if he has killed the whole of mankind." (IA)
I am so pleased that you quoted this verse and that you took it out of context. You made my day.
You are not the first Muslim to quote this verse to me as evidence of Islam's nonviolent nature. So not to duplicate my efforts I'll share what I wrote about it in the Source Material Appendix of Prophet of Doom. First, we'll look at the source of the Qur'anic quote that you removed from its context. Then we'll examine what follows. By the time we're done, you'll have to make a decision regarding your position and about Islam.
One of the Qur'an's Cain and Abel stories is found in Qur'an 5:30. It begins much as it does in the Biblical account with Cain killing his brother Abel, though Allah doesn't seem to recall their names in this rendition. Yet the moment one unnamed brother kills the other, the story changes and no longer follows the Biblical trail. The Qur'an's variant was plagiarized from books drafted centuries after the Old Testament had been canonized, after even the New Testament was written: the Targum of Jonathan-ben-Uzziah, The Targum of Jerusalem, and The Pirke-Rabbi Eleazar. All three are Jewish myths composed from oral traditions between 150 to 200 A.D.
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11-22-2007, 07:35 PM
The Qur'an says: Qur'an 5:31 "Then Allah sent a raven who scratched the ground to show him how to hide the shame of the dead body of his brother. 'Woe is me!' said he; 'Was I not even able to be as this raven, and to hide the dead body of my brother?' Then he became full of regrets." We find a striking parallel in Talmudic sources. The Targum of Jonathan-ben-Uzziah says: "Adam and Eve, sitting by the corpse, wept not knowing what to do, for they had no knowledge of burial. A raven came up, took the dead body of its fellow, and having scratched at the ground, buried it thus before their eyes. Adam said, 'Let us follow the example of the raven,' so taking up Abel's body, buried it at once."
Apart from the contrast between who buried whom, the two stories are otherwise uncannily similar. We can only conclude that it was from here that Muhammad, or a later compiler, obtained his "scripture." A Jewish fable came to be repeated as a historical fact in the Qur'an.
Yet that is not all. We find further proof of plagiarism of apocryphal Jewish literature; this time in the Jewish Mishnah Sanhedrin. The Qur'an reads: Qur'an 5:32 "On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if anyone slew a person - unless it be in retaliation for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew all mankind: and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all humanity." The Mishnah Sanhedrin 4:5 says: "We find it said in the case of Cain who murdered his brother, the voice of thy brother's blood cries out [this is a quote from Genesis 4:10, but not the rest...], and he says, it does not say he has blood in the singular, but bloods in the plural. It was singular in order to show that to him who kills a single individual, it should be reckoned that he has slain all humanity. But to him who has preserved the life of a single individual, it is counted that he has preserved all mankind."
There is no Qur'anic connection between the previous verse, 31, and that which we find in the 32nd. What does the murder of Abel by Cain have to do with the slaying or saving of the whole people? Ironically, the 32nd verse, supports the basis of the Old Testament hope for the finished work of the Messiah, who was to take away the sins of the world (John 1:29). Yet, in the Qur'an it doesn't flow from the verse which preceded it. And remember, the Mishnah is nothing but the speculation of one rabbi commenting on a fable. Yet this rabbi's comments are repeated almost word-for-word in the Qur'an. The muses of a mere human become the Qur'anic holy writ, and were attributed to God. That's real embarrassing.
Speaking of embarrassing, I'd like to share something directly related to this Qur'an passage. The largest commercial radio station in the United Kingdom asked me to spend two hours speaking about the relationship between fundamental Islam and terrorism. Over the course of the interview, the station received several hundred phone calls and emails from irate Muslims. One woman, toward the end of the program, said, "You are typical of Americans who speak about things that you know nothing about. You don't understand Islam or the Qur'an. You've taken everything out of context and have interpreted it too literally." She went on to explain, "Islam is nonviolent because the Qur'an says: 'If anyone kills a person, it is as if he killed all mankind and if anyone saves a life, it is as if he saves all of mankind.'"
Forgetting for a moment that the entire quote was pilfered verbatim from Mishnah Sanhedrin 4:5 , proving that Qur'an 5:32 was plagiarized not inspired, the Islamic apologist omitted the core of the verse and all of what follows. She misquoted the Qur'an by omitting from the verse, its exemption for murder: "except in retaliation or the spread of mischief." The "spread of mischief" is "non-Islamic behavior" and a "mischief maker" is anyone who does not "submit to and obey Allah and his Apostle." Then she took the verse out of context by not completing the point Allah was making. The next verse flows from the previous one. And Qur'an 5:33 is violent, murderous, and intolerant: "The punishment for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and who do mischief in the land is only that they shall be killed or crucified, or their hands and their feet shall be cut off on opposite sides, or they shall be exiled. That is their disgrace in this world, and a dreadful torment is theirs in Hell." Then: Qur'an 5:34 "Except for those who came back (as Muslims) with repentance before they fall into your power."
In trying to defend Islam and the Qur'an, the Muslim woman quoted a verse that was inspired by Jewish folklore rather than an Arab god. Then she did what she falsely accused me of doing; she misquoted the Qur'an and took it out of context. But worst of all she tried to deceive the millions who were listening to the show into believing that Islam, the Qur'an, and its god were peaceful when the very passage she selected required Muslims to "punish" and "disgrace" non-Muslims with: murder, torture, mutilation, enslavement, or exile so that Allah might "torment them in Hell."
It's hard to know if the woman had been deceived or if she was intent on deceiving. Both are equally bad, and both are symptomatic of Islam. And lest I forget, the next caller angrily told me, "I pledge to kill you to save mankind from you." Trying to save Muslims from the deception of Islam and non-Muslims from the terror it inspires, requires patience and love.
So, dear Muslim, you have selected one of hundreds of Qur'an verses that were plagiarized from the uninspired Talmud. I cover many of these in the Source Material appexdix. They confirm that the Qur'an wasn't given to Muhammad by Allah but instead was stolen from Jews. And in an attempt to show that "Islam is not violent or terrorist but rather a religion of peace and submission and stresses on the sanctity of human life," you proved just the opposite. So if you are a Muslim because you believe what you wrote, you need to reevaluate your faith - as it is misguided. (Craig)
Anyone who is doing violence is not practicing his religion at that time. (IA)
Actually the opposite is true. According to Allah in the Medina surahs, a Muslim ceases to be a Muslim when they cease being violent. Allah says that a Muslim who does not leave his home to fight Jihad in Allah's Cause is a hypocrite. Allah hates peaceful Muslim hypocrites so much he says that they are the most vile creatures, that they will go to hell, and he orders good Muslims to kill them for rejecting Islam. If you are a peaceful Muslim, your god hates you!
For your convenience I have collected a couple hundred "Peaceful Muslim Hypocrite" quotations from Allah and Muhammad and placed them in the Quotations Appendix. However, since your soul is at stake, and since you have clearly been deceived, I'd suggest reading each of these quotes in the context of Muhammad's life, which is the way they are presented in the book itself. (Craig)
However, sometimes violence is a human response of oppressed people as it happens in Palestine. Although this is wrong, they think of this as a way to get attention. (IA)
I deal with Islamic terror in Israel in my first book on Islam called "Tea With Terrorists." There is no excuse for the murderous behavior. The Muslims living in Israel were the freest, most prosperous, and best-educated Muslims in the world before they instigated their murderous campaign. It is not a coincidence that you are as deceived about the history of Israel and the so-called Palestinians as you are your about your prophet, god and scriptures. (Craig)
There is a lot of terrorism and violence in areas where there is no Muslim presence. For example, in Ireland, South Africa, Latin America, and Sri Lanka. (IA)
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11-22-2007, 07:36 PM
This is pathetic. Islam is responsible for 90% of the terror in the world. Muslims are 20% of the world's population. If just 20% of those are good Muslim Jihadists following Muhammad's example, they are 2000% more violent than the rest of us. Terror apart from Islam is insignificant.
The last paragraph of your email wallows in the same "woe is me, I am oppressed so I will hurt you" mentality. Terror is never justified. A dogma like Islam which encourages it cannot coexist with the civilized world. Just to make sure that you don't miss the point, I have isolated over 1000 quotes from the Islamic Hadith and Qur'an which encourage and glorify fighting, terrorism, jihad, and war. They are sadistic, demonic, repulsive, and uncivilized. (Craig)
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Muhammad was not these things and as for the items you list, no, I do not find them beautiful. This is not what true Islam is and you know it. (JC)
Again, there still may be hope for you. According to each of the oldest Islamic sources Muhammad was a terrorist as he attacked civilians with armed militants over 70 times. He focused on fighting, and revealed scriptures that justified and glorified fighting. Muhammad was a pirate because he fought for money, never souls. He was a thief, plundering and robbing most every community within camel's ride of Medina. There is even a Qur'an surah dedicated to booty. There are hundreds of murders depicted in the Hadith. Many are detailed and repulsive. Most were done on Muhammad's orders. The primary source of funds Muhammad used to finance Islam was the slave trade. How can you be a Muslim and be ignorant of these things?
Read the passages under Deception in the Quotations Appendix. Read the Pedophile Pirate chapter and then Lustful Libertine if you don't think Muhammad engaged incest and pedophilia. Rape is involuntary sex. Not only does the Qur'an authorize sex with slaves captured during raids, there are many graphic examples of Muhammad having sex with the women captured after he terrorized a community. By any rational definition Muhammad according to all four early Hadith collections, was a rapist.
Since the proof permeates the five earliest Islamic sources, why do you deny these things? Why do you trust a prophet who acted so criminally, so immorally, so violently, so deceitfully? Why? (Craig)
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No matter what part of the world we come from, we are all basically the same human beings. All of us human beings want freedom and the right to determine our own destiny as individuals and as peoples..... true happiness comes from a sense of inner peace and contentment, which in turn must be achieved through the cultivation of altruism, of love and compassion and elimination of ignorance, selfishness and greed.... The problems we face today, violent conflicts, destruction of nature, poverty, hunger, and so on, are human-created problems which can be resolved through human effort, understanding and the development of a sense of brotherhood and sisterhood. We need to cultivate a universal responsibility for one another and the planet we share. (JD)
The Islamic scriptures order Muslims to fight and kill non-Muslims until there are no more non-Muslims and you want to cultivate altruism. Allah orders Muslims to kill all peaceful Muslims and you think that we should ignore such a dogma. Islam has enslaved a billion people who have no freedoms and no way to determine their own destiny as individuals and you want to leave them to be abused by their dictators. Wow!
I suppose you think it was a good idea to ignore Mein Kampf too and let Hitler kill six million Jews. Allowing Stalin and Mao to cultivate their own path led to the deaths of 20 million Russians and 30 million Chinese. But I'm sure it would have been all better if we had understood and appreciated their need to mutilate others.
Good grief. Please, read the Islamic scriptures and learn why this dogma cannot coexist with the civilized world. Learn why Muslims are responsible of 80% of the world's terrorism. (Craig)
Muslims have brought the light to Europe in the Middle ages . When European saw that Islam respect people mind and don't restrict free thinking the started to free themselves from the distorted values taught by the church " I do not say that Bible is worng because I believe it is the word of God , but of course some people change some words to blind others in the name of God " (JD)
This is nonsense. Muslims came to Europe with bloody swords. They conquered, plundered, and taxed--following Muhammad's orders. They did the same thing in Arabia, Africa, Egypt, Syria, Judea, Turkey, and Persia. The first four generations following Muhammad's death were some of the most barbaric pirates the world has ever known.
But eventually, the once-peaceful Arabs became peaceful again. After four generations they lost their passion for their prophet's orders to fight jihad. The hundred years that followed was Islam's one bright moment in its 1400 year history.
But then something terrible happened in Baghdad, the capital of the Islamic world. Hisham published Ishaq's Sira. Bukhari published his Hadith Collection. The Qur'an was written and distributed. Once again, Muslims were confronted by the hateful, covetous, and violent words of their prophet and god. They ceased being tolerant to their victims and ceased being productive as a culture. Islam was lethal.
Europe was poisoned at the time by another mix of ego, greed, violence, politics, and religion. The Roman Catholic Church acted badly. They prohibited sermons in the common tongue of the people and they outlawed Bibles in a language anyone understood. They were evil. There is no excuse for their horrific behavior as there is no excuse for the behavior of Muslim militants today.
Eventually something changed in Europe. John Wycliffe translated the Bible into English. Others followed in his footsteps and this led to the Reformation. When people could read the words of Yahweh for themselves and examine the deeds of Yahshua, they became real Christians and civilization flourished.
Simply stated - Yahweh's words and Allah's had the opposite effect. The reason is obvious. Yahweh and Allah are opposites, as are their scriptures, characters, desires. (Craig)
In short we feel that the message of Islam is a Universal message and it should be conveyed to all people and of course as part of Islam every body is free to believe in what they want to believe in . (JD)
You have either been deceived or you know the truth and are trying to deceive others. This is not the message of Islam--the message in the Qur'an or the message of the Sunnah. There is no choice in Islam. There is no freedom in Islam. As a result, the only way Islam has spread is with the sword. The Hadith and Qur'an say: Wipe the infidels out to the last. Fight the unbelievers until the only religion is Islam. It doesn't tell Muslims to preach Islam to unbelievers in hopes of convincing them on its merits. And then to hold Muslims in captivity, Allah and Muhammad cry: "Kill any Muslim who rejects his religion." (Craig)
History tell us that when Muslims were is Spain they were fair and they did not force christian to join Islam , but when Muslim became *week and no longer govern Spain , they were persecuted , humilated , and kill " for the they are Muslims . (JD)
This is so pathetic. The best you can do is say that there was a brief period of time, many centuries ago, when Muslims were ignorant of their prophet's Sunnah that they behaved better than the worst behavior of those who were ignorant of the Bible. Good grief, that's sad. (Craig)
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I visited your website and have determined that you don't believe the propaganda you are shoveling to others. If devote Muslims were truly terrorist, or if those striving to be Muslims were truly terrorist, you would have had your hands and head cut off by now. Fighting and slaying the enemy has never meant physically being an aggressor. However, Muslims will defend themselves if physically attacked. (M)
Calling Prophet of Doom "propaganda" is hilarious considering the fact that the book is a presentation of the five earliest and most highly regarded Islamic sources. That's akin to shooting yourself in the foot. By saying this, you are saying that the Islamic Hadith and Qur'an are propaganda. (And while it's true, it's not in your interest to trust propaganda.)
The notion that Islam isn't a terrorist dogma because Muslims haven't "cut off my head and hands" yet is breathtaking in its absurdity.
First, you have misquoted Allah's Qur'anic order which is odd since you have bet your eternity on its validity. Qur'an 5:33 "The punishment for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive after corruption, making mischief in the land [those who refuse to surrender to Islam] is murder, execution, crucifixion, the cutting off of hands and feet on opposite sides, or they should be imprisoned. That is their degradation and disgrace in this world. And a great torment of an awful doom awaits them in the hereafter. Except for those who repent (and become Muslims) before you overpower them and they fall into your control."
Second, the verse you misquoted is proof that Islam is precisely what you say it is not.
Good job.
Your line "Fighting and slaying the enemy has never meant physically being an aggressor," is in conflict with your scriptures. Of the 75 raids attributed to Muhammad in the Hadith Collections in Ishaq's Sira and Tabari's History, only 2 were defensive. Muhammad and the first Muslims were the aggressors on all others. And one doesn't have to know the Islamic scriptures to understand Islam's aggressive and violent nature. Within 7 years of Muhammad's death, the first Muslims had attacked and conquered Arabia, Persia, the Byzantines, Syria, Israel, and Egypt--none of which had attacked a Muslim. If you aren't willing to read your scriptures, you ought to read history before saying such inaccurate things.
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11-23-2007, 05:44 AM
1. The Bible Convicts Women as the original sinners, (ie. Eve picking from the forbidden tree - Genesis 2:4-3:24). Holy Qur'an clarifies it was Adam and not Eve (Qur'an 7:19-25).
2. The Bible says "The Birth of a daughter is a loss" (Ecclesiasticus 22:3). The Qur'an says both son and daughter are an equal blessing (Qur'an 42:49)
3. The Bible Forbids women from speaking in church (I Corinthians 14:34-35). The Qur'an says women can argue with even the Prophet () - 58:1
4. In the Bible, divorced women are labeled as an Adulteress, while men are not (Matthew 5:31-32). The Qur'an does not have Biblical double standards (Qur'an 30:21).
5. In The Bible, widows and sisters do not inherit property or wealth - only men do(Numbers 27:1-11). The Qur'an abolished this male greediness (Qur'an 4:22).
6. The Bible allows multiple wives (I Kings 11:3). In The Qur'an, Allah limits the number to 4 only under certain situations (with the wife's permission) and prefers you marry only one woman (Qur'an 4:3). The Qur'an gives woman the right to choose who to marry.
7. "If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay the girl's father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives" (Deuteronomy 22:28-30). One must ask a simple question here, who is really punished, the man who raped the woman or the woman who was raped? According to the Bible, you have to spend the Rest of Your Life with the man who Raped You.
8. Women were given rights to vote less than a 100 years ago in the US, while the Qur'an (42:38) gave women voting rights almost 1,400 years ago.
9. Islam has unconfined women and has given them the human right to reach for the sky. There have been Muslim women head of government in Indonesia, Bangladesh, Pakistan, and Turkey - but to this date, the oppressive mentality of the men in the US has stopped any women from becoming presidents in predominately Christian countries.
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11-23-2007, 05:47 AM
Pornography or what....
"Then Judah said to Onan, 'Lie with your brother's wife and fulfill your duty to her as a brother-in-law to produce offspring for your brother' " (Genesis 38:8)
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11-23-2007, 06:31 AM
I usually take my time to read articles inorder to give a rightful answer,neverthe less i had answered the question initially but today i came up with a compilation of facts not fiction
First, Devoted Muslim women cover their heads in compliance with Qur'anic teachings, just like nuns in Christianity, who cover their heads, and just like when Christian women go to Church or meet with the Pope. According to Islamic teachings, the beauty of a woman should be enjoyed only by her husband, not by other men. It is unfair to generalize about all Muslim women in the world. Each country is unique. Muslim women generally who cover their heads do that out of piety, they are not forced by men. (Read today's story about Aljazeera TV star anchorwoman puts on hijab, Islamic dress and head cover) Just think about Muslim women, who live in the West, many of them still cover their heads, too.
Second, Muslim women are more politically recognized in their countries than women in the West generally. For example, the largest Muslim nation, Indonesia, has elected a woman President, Mrs. Megawati Sukarnoputri. She is still the President, her photo is published in the front page of the Nov 26 issue. She is covering her head, too, as she is attending prayers in the Mosque. Also, Pakistan elected Benazir Bhutto twice in 1988 and 1992. Turkey elected Tansu Chiller as a Prime Minster in the 1990s and she visited the US during the Clinton’s presidency. Bangladesh has an elected female Prime Minister right now. I know that Ireland has a female President, Britain elected a female Prime Minister, and there is a female Prime Minister in Norway. But France, Italy, and the United States have not elected a female as a president or a prime minister yet. The same applies to most of the Western nations.
Third, a Muslim woman keeps her maiden name after marriage. She never changes her last name whenever she gets married. However, Western women have to change their last name whenever they get married. They even keep the last name of the ex-husband after divorce.
Fourth, Muslim women have the right to sell and buy their property by themselves for 1424 years, while American women, for example, had these rights only since 1920.
Fifth, Muslim women have the least divorce rate and the least teenage pregnancy incidence in the world, which means that they are the least among women in the world to be left alone to fend for themselves and for their children, like women in the West who suffer from these two conditions (high divorce and teenage pregnancy rates).
Finally, despite all these positive conditions that Muslim women enjoy, I do not claim that they are completely receiving a fair treatment from men or from the state. Many Muslim countries still deprive women from their political rights. But men also are deprived of political rights in the same societies. If women or men are mistreated in one country or another, it has nothing to do with Islam.
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11-24-2007, 12:54 AM
One of the main driving forces of Islamic supremacism is a Dark Ages misogynistic obsession, and in Pakistan this atavistic impulse is spreading and gaining in power, crushing the bodies and souls of countless women: Radicals Target Pakistani Girls’ Schools,...What's a bunch of backward, primitive, degenerate nutbars in Pakistan being pious according to their weird religion and treating women like scum got to do with Israel and Jews generally? Oh right, I forgot - they're resposible for everything, ever, ever, amen. 'Oh no, I can't find my carkeys - pesky Jews!' 'Oh darn it, I burned my quiche - friggin' Jews!' ' Ah hell! A bird has shat on my car - death to the Jews!' etc. Huh, no wonder so many millions of people want to see every last one of them rounded up and gassed. Don't forget to pull any gold teeth they might have out - thems worth something.
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11-24-2007, 02:07 AM
The Islamic Qur'an itself is responsible for cruelty toward Muslim women, both young and old. In short, this evil book likens a woman to a field (or a tilth). This "field" is to be used by a Muslim man as he sees fit. This "model" was set forth by Muhammad himself, and what he said and how he treated women. If a woman does not consent to make love, civil law of western countries consider this as rape, plain and simple. However the Quran does not ask women. It takes into account only the will of the husband.
The Quran in Surah (Chapter) 2:223 says:
Your women are your fields, so go into your fields whichever way you like . . . . (MAS Abdel Haleem, The Qur’an, Oxford UP, 2004)
Christians believe their lives should be modeled after that of the Lord Jesus who spent time teaching women, which broke with the customs of his day (Luke 10:38-42). His respect was demonstrated even toward sinful women who turned to him for compassion (Luke 7:36-39). Jesus, the true prince of peace, crossed racial and cultural barriers to reveal his true identity to a Samaritan woman (John 4:1-42). Jesus healed a woman on the Sabbath and Jesus He freed the woman caught in adultery from being stoned. And, after his resurrection, Jesus honored the female disciples by appearing to them first (Matthew 28:8-10).
Aisha, the most beloved of Muhammad's many wives said to Muslim women: "O womenfolk, if you knew the rights that your husbands have over you, every one of you would wipe the dust from her husband's feet with her face."
This satanically-inspired Islamic religion has also managed to enslave women, which the true God would never be part of. If the husband wants to have sex with his wife he can, even by force - which in the west, and in Christian and Jewish tradition, is considered cruelty and rape. Under Egyptian law, Muslims are not allowed to change their religious identities to any other faith, although Christians are free to convert officially to Islam.
The Koran (Qur'an) is the biggest enemy of civilization, liberty and truth that the world has ever known. Inherent in the Qur'an are polygamy, divorce, slavery, elevation of jihad as a sure way to heaven, hatred of non-believers, and even lying if it is gainful.
Cruel Muslim mullahs, imams and ayatollah's insist a woman must wear a veil as a way to remove the female sex from its just position and influence in the world--itself a form of slavery. You may think this to be a small issue. You wouldn't if you were a woman and had to bundle up in 110 degree weather every day, just because of extreme male chauvinism. This comes from Muslim interpretation of the way Muhammad treated his own wives to apply to all women.
O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks (veils) all over their bodies. Surah 33:59, The Noble Quran
And speaking of seeing a woman's face:
It is no sin before their fathers, or their sons, or their brothers, or their brother's sons, or the sons of their sisters, or their women, or their (female) slaves. Surah 33:55, The Noble Quran
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