[mkenya asili]

Originally Posted by grandmaster

There is only one difference Mkenya, these laws here were practised in Judaism in the old testament, but in all fairness nobody in the christian world (or Jewish) as far as I know still practise these things. The problem is Islam still practises a lot of these things which are very demeaning to women in this day and age. Matiba, Islam is no more Satanic than Christianity, I say do away with religinon all together.

The truth is that christian leaders are trying to compromise its religion on the virtues of Human rights. the truth is Jesus himself did not compromise these laws with humanity... he himself said that he did not come to change anything that his forefathers had brought fourth...but he came to continue from where they had left....it is so unfortunate that christians have compromised there religion for the weaknesses of this world to creep into them look at the way our christian sisters dress when going to church it is so ashaming. christianity forbades women priesthood ... but look at the numbers of women preachers we have???? and the way they apply make up infront of all those men... islam has stood by its tenets and beliefsand there is nothing that you seek to find an answer to and can't find it in the quran... Quest for anything and you will find the answer in the quran the beliefs in islam are not based in miracles and healings but to the rules set forth by the creator. So many christians go to church and priests will always advertise there crusades with themes of spiritual healing and people should expect miracle ....people have forgotten that Jesus himself prophesized these false prophets...and whenever he went he did not advertise to people to expect miracles...we have forgotten that the miracles that jesus did came in as a test for his messiahhood. many christians are crazy on the issue of miracles never the less the quran contains so many miracle from adam to muhamed... but you will never ever hear a muslim going to a certain mosque because there are miracles expected. we muslim go the mosque to humble ourselves infront of God and worship him and ask for his protection and guidance....christians wake up and see the truth... don't be like the hypocrites, pagans and non believers who prophets had to produce miracles to convince them and apart from all those miracles few were accepted and some of the prophets died as as they are portrayed in the christian and hebrew books...Islam is the answer to all your problems and inshallah you will see the truth.

[mkenya asili]

Matthew 5

17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.

[KENNETH MATIBA]

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[grandmaster]

Originally Posted by mkenya asili

Matthew 5

17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.

Mkenya, I understand what you are saying, but fact remains fact that Christians don't practise those things even if it was in their legacy. I will be the first to tell you I have many Muslim friends and I don't think Muslims or Islam is a bad religion, but I truly cannot get past some of the things that some Muslims are practising especially in this day and age. The world of 1000 years ago is not quite the same world we live in now, the laws you see in the bible/quaran are laws that were written in ancient times and I don't think all the things written then apply now. And even if you still go on a crusade about how Christianity has similar beliefs, it doesn't take away from what the Muslims are doing right now, bottom line is we are all equal in the eyes of God, (man,woman,dog,etc) because if you are to go by pure religious doctrine we are all created by God. Stop discriminating against women, why should God care if a woman's hair is visible and not care if a man's is, isn't God the one who created that hair? Why should God decalre the testimony of two women equals the testimony of one man...? Distinguish between the laws of man and God, just because something is written doesn't make it absolute truth. Some of these laws were adapted at a time when men believed they were superior to women, but we all know now that is a false notion...or do we?

[mkenya asili]

Originally Posted by grandmaster

Mkenya, I understand what you are saying, but fact remains fact that Christians don't practise those things even if it was in their legacy. I will be the first to tell you I have many Muslim friends and I don't think Muslims or Islam is a bad religion, but I truly cannot get past some of the things that some Muslims are practising especially in this day and age. The world of 1000 years ago is not quite the same world we live in now, the laws you see in the bible/quaran are laws that were written in ancient times and I don't think all the things written then apply now. And even if you still go on a crusade about how Christianity has similar beliefs, it doesn't take away from what the Muslims are doing right now, bottom line is we are all equal in the eyes of God, (man,woman,dog,etc) because if you are to go by pure religious doctrine we are all created by God. Stop discriminating against women, why should God care if a woman's hair is visible and not care if a man's is, isn't God the one who created that hair? Why should God decalre the testimony of two women equals the testimony of one man...? Distinguish between the laws of man and God, just because something is written doesn't make it absolute truth. Some of these laws were adapted at a time when men believed they were superior to women, but we all know now that is a false notion...or do we?

Let me ask you simple stupid question...

1.what do men see in a women for him to initially proclaim love to her.?
God doesn't care an inch about a woman's hair but he really cares and fears for men who are easily tempted simply by the way a woman looks from behind, heven't you seen men who are beasts God knew that there would exists such men who there hearts cannot turn back to him and he fears for them since they are the dwellers of hell fire for life untill they repent and submit themselves to God.
if i may quote you...
'' Distinguish between the laws of man and God, just because something is written doesn't make it absolute truth. Some of these laws were adapted at a time when men believed they were superior to women, but we all know now that is a false notion...or do we''

For you to be a believer of any faith you must believe and follow what is written in the divine books muslims believe in the quran for it is truelly a divine books and whatever rules God wrote were not for those generations Don't tell me if you die now there will be no hell or paradise for us if you believe so that is upon you and God, but the like of matiba , christians,muslims and myself believe in there is heaven and hell and that the creator of everything on earth has set rules for us to follow if we are to be on the right path. the laws of man are for men but they are only there to govern the people that is why also the government sees the evil in stealing and killing but am surprised some governments have compromised religion because of the law of man by legallissing gay marriages have you forgotten what happenned to sodom and gommorrah, or do you think that god is lenient to us because his books are 1000 years old. GOD'S RULES ARE THERE TO STAY No matter How many generations come to pass unless you are an aeithist you assume god's commandments and laws...remember every one wants to go to heaven but some don't want to die is it possible ????

e.g

Genesis 9:12
And God said, "This is the sign of the covenant I am making between me and you and every living creature with you, a covenant for all generations to come:

Leviticus 10:9
"You and your sons are not to drink wine or other fermented drink whenever you go into the Tent of Meeting, or you will die. This is a lasting ordinance for the generations to come.

Psalm 146:10The LORD reigns forever, your God, O Zion, for all generations. Praise the LORD.

Matthew 5:20
For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

To sum up jesus will now answer you....

John 8:14-26


14Jesus answered, "Even if I testify on my own behalf, my testimony is valid, for I know where I came from and where I am going. But you have no idea where I come from or where I am going. 15You judge by human standards; I pass judgment on no one. 16But if I do judge, my decisions are right, because I am not alone. I stand with the Father, who sent me. 17In your own Law it is written that the testimony of two men is valid. 18I am one who testifies for myself; my other witness is the Father, who sent me."

you are the kind that judge by human standards and when we all stand in the day of judgement we shall be judged by the right decisions and which are these right desicions, the decisions of jesus's father who sent him from heaven and who isit?????? it is God, the load of abraham and moses allah subhanna wa taala

[mkenya asili]

what kind of name is that ???

The title Grandmaster is awarded to world-class chess masters by the world chess

( Audhu billahi mina sheitani rajim ) i ask for the guidance of allah from the evils and temptation of the sheitan....... look below and i hope you are not one

Grand Master. Freemasonry (or Masonry) is dedicated to the "Brotherhood of Man under the Fatherhood of God.''

Kenneth: please say that word muslims don't like to hear in the name of J.......i provoke the presence of satan

[grandmaster]

Hey Mkenya, I shall not even attempt to convince you of anything. If you really think that God is so rash and unjust then there's nothing that I can do to open your eyes. As far as my name goes, I'll let that be a mystery as to which definition it is.

[KENNETH MATIBA]

Paul the Apostle states in Galatians 1:6, "I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel." What Paul referred to here as "another gospel" was the danger of adding human works (specifically keeping of the Jewish Law) to the finished work of Christ. Galatians 1:8,9, which says, "But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed." Here paul is referring to all false religions like bahai, islam, mormons and jehovas witnesses, fre masons, etc.

[mkenya asili]

Originally Posted by KENNETH MATIBA

Paul the Apostle states in Galatians 1:6, "I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel." What Paul referred to here as "another gospel" was the danger of adding human works (specifically keeping of the Jewish Law) to the finished work of Christ. Galatians 1:8,9, which says, "But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed." Here paul is referring to all false religions like bahai, islam, mormons and jehovas witnesses, fre masons, etc.

hehehehehehe
muslims don't use the gospel it is the christians that use the gospel protestants, evanjelical,jesus is alive jesus celebration centres go where ever you will not find muslims using the gospel you are very wrong

[KENNETH MATIBA]

Prophet of Doom - Islam in Action - While America Slept - ...Islam Attacked


Questions and Answers

Q: Isn't Islam a peace-loving religion? Isn't Jihad just a spiritual struggle?


A: "Jihad," "holy fighting," or "Allah's Cause," is spoken of in the Hadith as follows: "Allah's Apostle dictated the Divine Verse: 'Not equal are those unbelievers who sit at home and those who strive hard, fighting in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and lives.'" (Bukhari V4B52N85) . The Qur'an says, "Zaid said, 'Maktum came to the Prophet while he was reciting that verse. On that Maktum said, "O Allah's Apostle! If I had power, I would take part in Jihad." He was a blind man. So Allah sent down revelation to His Apostle ... "Except those who are disabled by injury or are blind or lame."'" (Qur'an 004:095) If jihad is a spiritual struggle as many claim it to be, then why would Allah grant the physically disabled an exemption? The verse goes on to say, "Not equal are those believers who sit at home and receive no injurious hurt, and those who strive hard [Jihad] fighting in the Cause of Allah, fighting with their wealth and bodies to those who sit (at home)."

Another Hadith says, "The Prophet said, "By Him in Whose Hands my life is! Were it not for the believers who do not want me to leave them, I would certainly and always go forth in army-units setting out for Jihad. I would love to be martyred in Allah's Cause and then get resurrected and get martyred again only to be resurrected so that I could get martyred once more.'" (Bukhari V4B52N54)

Furthermore, in the "Book of Jihad," Bukhari provides us with this explanation: "Jihad is holy fighting in Allah's Cause with full force of weaponry. It is given the utmost importance in Islam and is one of its Pillars. By Jihad Islam is established, Allah is made superior and He becomes the only God who may be worshiped. By Jihad Islam is propagated and made superior. By abandoning Jihad (may Allah protect us from that) Islam is destroyed and Muslims fall into an inferior position. Their honor is lost, their lands are stolen, and Muslim rule and authority vanish. Jihad is an obligatory duty in Islam on every Muslim. He who tries to escape this duty, or does not fervently fulfill this obligation, dies as a hypocrite." The 150 Hadiths that follow this definition all speak of fighting; none suggest a spiritual struggle.

Excerpts from Prophet of Doom

From chapter 20, "The Tormented Terrorist":

Back in Medina, and in the presence of the prophet, the Emigrants weren't ready to let Abdallah Ubayy's outburst drop. They wanted blood. Tabari VIII:53 "Abdallah said, 'Those who are stronger will drive out the weaker from Medina.' But you, O Messenger of Allah, will drive him out if you wish. He is the weak one, and you are the strong one. Allah caused you to arrive at the moment when his people were stringing precious stones to make him a crown; he thinks that you deprived him of a kingdom.'" Ishaq:491 "Umar said, 'Tell someone to go kill him.' The Apostle answered, 'But what will men say about me if I start killing Muslims?'"

A young recruit must have rushed in: Tabari VIII:55/Ishaq:492 "'Messenger of Allah, I have been told that you want to kill Abdallah bin Ubayy. If you are going to do it; command me and I will bring you his head. I will kill a believer to avenge an unbeliever, and thereby enter the Fire of Hell.' The Prophet said, 'No.' Thus after that day it was his own tribesmen who censured him and threatened him. When word of how they were behaving reached Muhammad, he said to Umar, 'What do you think, Umar? Had I killed him the day you ordered me to, prominent men would have been upset, who, if I ordered them today to kill him, would do so.'" Muhammad was evil, not stupid.

Other than prostrating oneself in submission, paying the zakat, and fighting Jihad, Muslims have never had a way to determine who really was one. Even Muhammad couldn't tell. Tabari VIII:55 "Miqyas came from Mecca, pretending to have become a Muslim, and said, 'Muhammad, I have come to you as a Muslim to seek blood money for my brother who was killed by mistake.' The Prophet ordered him to be paid blood money for his brother and he stayed briefly with Muhammad. Then he attacked his brother's slayer, killing him. He left for Mecca as an apostate." According to Islam, an apostate endures hell's hottest flames. So it's okay to kill and good to accept booty for killing, but only if Allah is credited with the murder.

This Hadith is especially revealing: Ishaq:485 "'O Apostle, I will accept Islam and give you my allegiance on the condition that my past faults are forgiven and no mention is made of what has gone before.' Allah's Messenger said, 'Give your allegiance, for Islam does away with all that preceded it, as does the Hijrah [Muhammad's shameful flight from Mecca].'" Muhammad proudly announced, and Ishaq dutifully recorded, words that should send shivers up the spine of every non-Muslim. The "religion" of Islam, the feeble and demented doctrine that emerged before the terrorist raids, before piracy, kidnapping, the slave trade, and mass murder, was no more. All that preceded the Hijrah had been abrogated. All that remained of the poligious doctrine now was vice, villainy, and violence.

From chapter 23, "Jihad":

In his most pugnacious and inhuman utterance ever, the molested orphan orders Muslims to molest the world. Qur'an 5.33 "The punishment for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive after corruption, making mischief in the land [those who refuse to surrender to Islam] is murder, execution, crucifixion, the cutting off of hands and feet on opposite sides, or they should be imprisoned. That is their degradation and disgrace in this world. And a great torment of an awful doom awaits them in the hereafter."

Qur'an 5:33 is the most torturous verse ever issued in the name of religion. "Making mischief" - a war of words - is sufficient to warrant imprisonment, mutilation, assassination, and crucifixion. Those who reject Islam are to be humiliated and maimed - having their hands and feet cut off - so that they might be disgraced. And this is the last surah. These tortured words weren't abrogated. This is Muhammad's parting shot at the world that had tormented him. The 5th surah is Islam's legacy. And as a result, the Sudan, today's most fundamental Islamic nation, has murdered and mutilated two million Christians over the last fifteen years. Islam remains as Muhammad conceived it.

Muslim apologists argue that repentance prohibits these tortures and that Allah is, "Oft-Forgiving, Most-Merciful." Qur'an 5.34 "Except for those who repent (and become Muslims) before you overpower them and they fall into your control. In that case, know that Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. But consider the price. Consider the context. Repentance requires surrender to Islam, obedience to Muhammad, and the acceptance of his deity. That's why the King Fahd edition of The Noble Qur'an inserted the words "and become Muslims" inside the parenthesis. And capitulation only works if it's done prior to being "overpowered," or conquered by brute force. By ordering his followers to torture men, Allah became nothing more than a molesting thug. He became Muhammad.