[wama]

u really have a thing against islam. u know this aint true actually. according to the laws of the jews, if a women is found in adultery, she is to be purnished by stoning. its not untill Jesus told the pple not to stone that woman in the bible that the pple stopped. sometimes i wonder where was the man that was involved? y was he not punished also.

[mkenya asili]

Originally Posted by KENNETH MATIBA

In Iran, the Islamic punishments have encouraged a culture of violence against women, especially within the family and has spilled into violence against children. This has been commented upon by many within the country. The fact that men receive a lighter punishment if they commit a violence against women undoubtedly encourages such violence. We saw how women could be killed with impunity during alleged adultery. Stoning to death for adultery, although technically admissible for both sexes, has also been carried out mainly against women.

Newspapers are full of accounts of wives, sisters, daughters, and children murdered and its inevitable corollary: the killing of the husband. The family has become an institution of violence. The psychological effects of these laws, reflecting as they do in the legal world the constant degradation women have to face in government offices, courts, streets etc, that is wherever they come face to face with officialdom, is profound though unmeasurable. Perhaps the increasing suicide rates of women is a window to the despair. A number of psychiatrists working in Iran have commented on this .

you are at it again. do you want me to proove that christianity also mistreats women?

[mkenya asili]

1 Corinthians 14:34women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says.

[mkenya asili]

Just like the bible the quran has placed the women in a certain position that has been described for her. It is only that the christians have compromised God's religion on the issues of human rights. unfortunately Islam has not compromised itself on the issues of Human rights. but fortunately or unfortunately islam has placed women in a better position such that the christians are envious and try to poison the islamic women to follow there ways. for example there is no place in the bible that indicates the inheritance of a woman. i cannot remember written anywhere in the bible that we marry 1 wife if there is can i any one please Remind me.

[mkenya asili]

Women singled out for special punishment:
Deuteronomy 22:13-21: A bride who had been presented as a virgin, and who could not be proven to be one, was to be stoned to death by the men of her village. Verse 21 says: "Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you." The woman would be allowed to live if her previous owner --her husband -- could produce evidence in the form of blood caused by her hymen breaking when her husband first engaged in sexual intercourse with her.
Of course, this would not be much of a defense if she happened to have been born without a hymen or if it broken broken because of heavy exercise. There appears to have been no similar penalty for men who had engaged in consensual pre-marital sexual activity.
Numbers 5:17-31 "Then he shall take some holy water in a clay jar and put some dust from the tabernacle floor into the water....."
This passage describes the action that a husband could take if he suspected that his wife had engaged in an adulterous relationship. He would take her to the tabernacle, where the priest would make a magical drink consisting of holy water and sweepings from the tabernacle floor. He would have the woman drink the water while he recited a curse on her. The curse would state that her abdomen would swell and her thigh waste away if she had committed adultery. In that era when medical treatment was almost unknown, the treatment would probably have resulted in her death. If she were pregnant at this time, the curse would certainly induce an abortion. There was no similar magical test that a woman could require her husband to take if she suspected him of adultery.

what difference is there with what you are telling us and it exist in your own 'Holy book'

[mkenya asili]

the good news is that when he sees me he rans very fast to his jewish and islamic propaganda sites he cannot produce facts.he is a pervert.

[Type R]

Mkenya asili, thank you very much.

Christianity and Islam share the same Hebrew roots and ancient Semitic culture.

Overall, I believe that Woman is by nature a provocative creature and men must learn to control themselves, or to take a walk. Kenyan women have been killed domestically by men in Kenya, UK, Atlanta, Canada, we've all heard the horror stories, some of us may have even known these ladies. This has nothing to do with Islam.

The only point "Matiba" may have is that Islam may have sanctioned this brutal male behaviour, while Christianity has definitely made a move away from the Old Testament and its medieval legal system.

[mkenya asili]

Originally Posted by Type R

Mkenya asili, thank you very much.

Christianity and Islam share the same Hebrew roots and ancient Semitic culture.

Overall, I believe that Woman is by nature a provocative creature and men must learn to control themselves, or to take a walk. Kenyan women have been killed domestically by men in Kenya, UK, Atlanta, Canada, we've all heard the horror stories, some of us may have even known these ladies. This has nothing to do with Islam.

The only point "Matiba" may have is that Islam may have sanctioned this brutal male behaviour, while Christianity has definitely made a move away from the Old Testament and its medieval legal system.

when jesus came into being he never said that he moved away from the old hebrew and semitic scriptures after all this is what he said that he did not come to change anything but to continue with what has been preached by the former prophets including moses. he also continues to say that he came only for the lost shhep of the house of israel.if he himself say that who are we to divert from his teachings? not unless we follow a teaching that someone else has come up with may be for his own interest or may be as prophesied by himself when he says that there shall come false prophets....

[mkenya asili]

Matthew 15

1Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus from Jerusalem Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don't wash their hands before they eat!"
3Jesus replied, "Andalem and asked, 2" why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition? 4For God said, 'Honor your father and mother'[a] and 'Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.'[b] 5But you say that if a man says to his father or mother, 'Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is a gift devoted to God,' 6he is not to 'honor his father[c]' with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition. 7You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you:
8" 'These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
9They worship me in vain;
their teachings are but rules taught by men.'[d]"

10Jesus called the crowd to him and said, "Listen and understand. 11What goes into a man's mouth does not make him 'unclean,' but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him 'unclean.' "

12Then the disciples came to him and asked, "Do you know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this?"

13He replied, "Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted will be pulled up by the roots. 14Leave them; they are blind guides.[e] If a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit."

15Peter said, "Explain the parable to us."

16"Are you still so dull?" Jesus asked them. 17"Don't you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? 18But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and these make a man 'unclean.' 19For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. 20These are what make a man 'unclean'; but eating with unwashed hands does not make him 'unclean.' "

21Leaving that place, Jesus withdrew to the region of Tyre and Sidon. 22A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, "Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is suffering terribly from demon-possession."

23Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, "Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us."

24He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel."

25The woman came and knelt before him. "Lord, help me!" she said.

26He replied, "It is not right to take the children's bread and toss it to their dogs."

27"Yes, Lord," she said, "but even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their masters' table."

[grandmaster]

Originally Posted by mkenya asili

Women singled out for special punishment:
Deuteronomy 22:13-21: A bride who had been presented as a virgin, and who could not be proven to be one, was to be stoned to death by the men of her village. Verse 21 says: "Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you." The woman would be allowed to live if her previous owner --her husband -- could produce evidence in the form of blood caused by her hymen breaking when her husband first engaged in sexual intercourse with her.
Of course, this would not be much of a defense if she happened to have been born without a hymen or if it broken broken because of heavy exercise. There appears to have been no similar penalty for men who had engaged in consensual pre-marital sexual activity.
Numbers 5:17-31 "Then he shall take some holy water in a clay jar and put some dust from the tabernacle floor into the water....."
This passage describes the action that a husband could take if he suspected that his wife had engaged in an adulterous relationship. He would take her to the tabernacle, where the priest would make a magical drink consisting of holy water and sweepings from the tabernacle floor. He would have the woman drink the water while he recited a curse on her. The curse would state that her abdomen would swell and her thigh waste away if she had committed adultery. In that era when medical treatment was almost unknown, the treatment would probably have resulted in her death. If she were pregnant at this time, the curse would certainly induce an abortion. There was no similar magical test that a woman could require her husband to take if she suspected him of adultery.

what difference is there with what you are telling us and it exist in your own 'Holy book'

There is only one difference Mkenya, these laws here were practised in Judaism in the old testament, but in all fairness nobody in the christian world (or Jewish) as far as I know still practise these things. The problem is Islam still practises a lot of these things which are very demeaning to women in this day and age. Matiba, Islam is no more Satanic than Christianity, I say do away with religinon all together.