[KENNETH MATIBA]

Originally Posted by chotadipo

Because in Sunday school we were told that we are descendants from the curse of ham. I asked my Sunday school teacher (she was white), why the devil is always black and he says it is because he is dirty and that God abhors darkness.

Let me illucidate this alittle bit.If you were to meet the devil, you would find him attractive, engaging and persuasive. Though he is really the prince of darkness, Satan successfully presents himself as "an angel of light" (2Corinthians 11:14).

Satan is a master of misrepresentation. He is the world's greatest advertiser, packaging his product so it seems attractive and appealing while in reality it is deathly poisonous. He wants his clients to see him as good, beneficent and trustworthy. He wants his product -sin and rejection of God-to appear enticing and inviting, and he is usually quite successful.

Satan never presents sin as it really is. He never presents both sides of the story, pro and con. He presents only what he wants us to see, something that appears fun and exciting. He wants us to focus on pleasure, on what feels or looks good at the moment. He wants long-term consequences to be the last thing on our minds while he entices us to sin.

The vast majority of people have lost sight of the real connection between cause and effect. We rarely hear or see that concept mentioned, much less discussed. Instead we hear people clamor for quick fixes to every problem, ease for every discomfort and a pill for every ailment. We seldom stop to consider the long-term consequences of our actions.

[ndigila]

Originally Posted by chotadipo

Because in Sunday school we were told that we are descendants from the curse of ham. I asked my Sunday school teacher (she was white), why the devil is always black and he says it is because he is dirty and that God abhors darkness.

I had to ask. What church did you go to?

[chotadipo]

Originally Posted by ndigila

I had to ask. What church did you go to?

Anglican, My parents used to be protestants

[Atabong]

Originally Posted by ndigila

I'd like to know why you think Jehovah is a white man's God. Your answer shouldn't depend on what I think.

Ndigila, as I have mentioned in my other postings, the Word God is a concept and remains mere concept untill u fleshing it, like ghost for example.If you define God as a giant old man hanging in the sky, that imagination of a giant old man hanging in the sky becomes your God.(The giant old man is never black but the white man we see in the books brought to us by the white man)

The black man in particular has been manipulated and/or forced to accept the concept and the white man's definition of it for reality.Until the Black man learns that it is up to each individual to develop this idea as he/she see fit, reject it altogether, care-less about it or formulate his/her own, we remain nothing but mental slaves.

The word Jehovah all began with the Hebrew tetragramaton YHWH. European students of Hebrew extracted this literally, which yielded L.JeHoVa(First attested in writings of Galatinus, 1516).

You think of something, give it a name, write a history, paint pictures of it, write poems, sing songs in praise of it/Him/Her etc, you have created a personality.Jehova God is a creation of the white man, you follow?
read more?
Qantara.de - Opinion Meki Nzewi - Globalization Made Africa a Mental Colony

[ndigila]

Originally Posted by Atabong

Ndigila, as I have mentioned in my other postings, the Word God is a concept and remains mere concept untill u fleshing it, like ghost for example.If you define God as a giant old man hanging in the sky, that imagination of a giant old man hanging in the sky becomes your God.(The giant old man is never black but the white man we see in the books brought to us by the white man)

The black man in particular has been manipulated and/or forced to accept the concept and the white man's definition of it for reality.Until the Black man learns that it is up to each individual to develop this idea as he/she see fit, reject it altogether, care-less about it or formulate his/her own, we remain nothing but mental slaves.

The word Jehovah all began with the Hebrew tetragramaton YHWH. European students of Hebrew extracted this literally, which yielded L.JeHoVa(First attested in writings of Galatinus, 1516).

You think of something, give it a name, write a history, paint pictures of it, write poems, sing songs in praise of it/Him/Her etc, you have created a personality.Jehova God is a creation of the white man, you follow?
read more?
Qantara.de - Opinion Meki Nzewi - Globalization Made Africa a Mental Colony

Ok. Now my question is two-fold:
1) When did the white man's concept of God penetrate the Coptic and Tewahedo churches considering that Platonism was declared heresy?
2) Of all the aspects of "white culture" (lifestyle, music, language etc) why is it that its only the religious aspect of it that's being termed as mental slavery? Shouldn't the whole "white culture" be shunned and not just their concept of God?

[ndigila]

Originally Posted by chotadipo

Anglican, My parents used to be protestants

They have sunday schools in anglican churches?

[chotadipo]

Yes they do, St. Lukes Church in Makande, Mombasa had one. That is how I learnt to swim, by sciving most of them

[reggie_woic]

chotadipo, maybe the problem was the teacher...?

is there any possible way that an African can decide for himself, having considered whatever other possibilities there are, to become a christian without people saying he's being manipulated by the white man?

coz it sounds like people are still bitter from the times when whites widely used their iron fist on us.

we african's are not all gullible and susceptible to the white man's impositions

[HUH?]

Originally Posted by Ken Mat.

Satan is a master of misrepresentation. He is the world's greatest advertiser, packaging his product so it seems attractive and appealing while in reality it is deathly poisonous. He wants his clients to see him as good, beneficent and trustworthy. He wants his product -sin and rejection of God-to appear enticing and inviting, and he is usually quite successful.

if you will allow me some editorial freedom with your passage above...

Satan (colonial white man?) is a master of misrepresentation. He is the world's greatest advertiser, packaging his product so it seems attractive and appealing while in reality it is deathly poisonous (colonizer under the banner of misssionary?). He wants his clients to see him as good, beneficent and trustworthy. He wants his product -opression and robbery-to appear enticing and inviting, and he is usually quite successful.


Ndingila: We fail to realize that Africans are a highly spriritual people by nature. The integration of alien religions and customs into African culture has been occuring since time immemorial. Traditional African religions are one of the most accepting (optimal assimilation?) religions in the world, but the early Eurocentric critics did not see it this way. I think your query about the ancient christian churches in Africa could be answered simply by Hellenism. IMO the ancient Coptic and Ethiopian churches (read: christian influences) were raised to a new level (if not completely overhauled from "pagan"/traditional African beliefs) through Hellenization.

[Atabong]

Originally Posted by ndigila

Ok. Now my question is two-fold:
1) When did the white man's concept of God penetrate the Coptic and Tewahedo churches considering that Platonism was declared heresy?
2) Of all the aspects of "white culture" (lifestyle, music, language etc) why is it that its only the religious aspect of it that's being termed as mental slavery? Shouldn't the whole "white culture" be shunned and not just their concept of God?

1) When did the white man's concept of God penetrate the Coptic and Tewahedo churches considering that Platonism was declared heresy?

That Black Africa wishes and pray that Jesus Christ really existed does not make it a historical fact. Infact there is overwhelming historical evidence supporting the fact that Jesus of Nazareth is not entirely different from the creation myth.

Christianity like all other religions developed over the years drawing inspiration from and inter-working with several schools of thought; mysticism, orphic, Pre-Socratics, Pythagoreans, Plato, Aristotle, cynics and skeptics, Philo, stoics, Christian Platonists, neo-Platonists, plotinus and so on.


2) Of all the aspects of "white culture" (lifestyle, music, language etc) why is it that its only the religious aspect of it that's being termed as mental slavery?
A religious slave also tends to be a slave to all other things accompanying the propagators of that ideology