[KENNETH MATIBA]

Are Muslims the spiritual brothers and sisters of Christians and Jews? No, they have been deceived by a Satanic, false religion.

Do we all worship the same God? Absolutely not. The god of Islam is a false god. He is really Satan in disguise.

Are the Islamic holy scriptures, known as the Koran, inspired by God? Not the God of the Bible. The Islamic scrip*tures are a jumbled mess of contradictory statements that are unscientific, unhistorical, and unbiblical.

Is Islam another path to God by which one can obtain eternal life? No! Muslims reject Jesus as Messiah and deny His atoning sacrifice. Jesus said, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me” (John 14:6).

Are the Islamic Fundamentalists representative of true Islam, or have they hijacked a peace-loving religion? There is no doubt they represent the true heart of Islam. Islam is a cultural, intolerant, militant and imperialistic religion of the sword.

Is our war really a political one against terrorism, or is it a spiritual one against a demonic religion known as Islam? Based upon the evidence I have presented from the Koran and from history, I think the answer is obvious. We are not engaged in a war against terrorism. Terrorism is a means, not the source of the struggle. Terrorism is a tool of those waging the war. To say this is a war against terrorism is equivalent to saying World War II was a war against U-Boats, V2 Rockets and Kamikaze planes. No, World War II was a war against Fascism. The current war is one against Islamic Fundamentalism.

But even more substantive, it is a spiritual war against the forces of Satan.

Jesus is about to return. The Bible says He will not return until the Gospel is preached to all the world (Matthew 24:14). There have been two major obstacles to the preaching of the Gospel — Commu*nism and Islam, both religions of Satan. Communism collapsed and the former Communist countries are now open to the Gospel. The final barrier to be overcome is Islam.

For ten years now Evangelical Christians have been praying for the “10/40 Window” — that area of the world between the 10th and 40th latitudes where hundreds of millions are enslaved to the spiritual darkness of Islam.21 The prayers have been effective. Countless numbers have been exposed to the Gospel in various surreptitious ways, and many have accepted Jesus as Lord and Savior, knowing that to do so may well mean death.

Satan is enraged over these incursions into his territory. He is equally upset over the re-establishment of Israel. He can read the signs of the times, and he knows his time is short before Jesus breaks from the heavens in glory. But Satan is self-deceived, and he continues to believe he can thwart the purposes of God. He has therefore aroused and empowered Islam to make one last attempt to conquer the world.

Islam is destined to lose this battle, for the Word of God says that he who lives by the sword will die by the sword (Matthew 26:52).

I believe Islam will ultimately experience another defeat so overwhelming and so humiliating that the eyes of millions of Muslims will be opened to the fact that Allah is a false god. At that point their hearts will be opened to the true God — a God of lovingkindness who came to this earth and died for the sins of Mankind.

Isaiah was given a vision of this day in Isaiah 19 where it was revealed to him that one day during the Millennial reign of Jesus, Egypt, Assyria, and Israel will all be united in worshiping the one and only true God, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

A Call to Prayer
Let us pray for our leaders, that they will be able to discern the spiritual nature of the war we are engaged in.

Let us pray for the leaders of Israel, that they will turn to God for their protection and stop seeking it through America and through trying to appease an enemy whose goal is to annihilate them.

Let us pray for the Islamic world, that Muslims everywhere will have their hearts opened to the Gospel.

And let us daily cry out from the depths of our hearts, “Maranatha!” Come quickly, Lord Jesus!



Notes:

1) The Koran is available in many printed editions. A handy one that is fully indexed and which can be searched by words and phrases can be found on the Internet at The Koran.

2) The Hadith According to Al Bukahri, 7:64. This version of the Hadith is considered to be the most definitive collection of Is*lamic oral traditions. It consists of nine volumes. It can be found on the Internet at http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/reference/search hadith.html.

3) An excellent chronology of Islamic history can be found on the Internet at http://eawc.evansville.edu/chronology/ispage.htm.

4) There is an outstanding discussion of the cultural nature of Islam in the book by Robert Morey entitled, The Islamic Invasion (Eugene, OR: Harvest House Publishers, 1992). See in particular pages 19-32.

5) Abdullah Al Araby, “Incredible Teachings of Muhammed,” on the Internet at Islam Review - Presented by The Pen vs. the Sword Featured Articles . . . Islam: the Facade, the Facts The rosy picture some Muslims are painting about their religion, and the truth they try to hide.. This is the website of a ministry called The Pen vs. The Sword. It contains many excellent articles about the true nature of Islam.

6) Scott Macleod, “Inside Saudi Arabia,” Time, October 15, 2001, p. 62.

7) A good discussion of the differences between the god of Islam and the true God of the Bible can be found in the book, Islam, Israel, and the Last Days, by Elishua Davidson (Eugene, OR: Harvest House Publishers, 1991). See pages 47-62, 103-122.

8) Lance Lambert, “The Messianic Expectations of Islam,” Jerusalem, 1994. Produced on cassette tape by The Christians Friends of Israel Ministry in Jerusalem. Available through Lamb & Lion Ministries.

9) Clarence Wagner, Jr., “Islam and the Land,” an undated, unpublished manuscript.

10) “Insights into Islam,” an unsigned article on The Muslim — Christian Debate Website at The Debate: Debate Topics apolog/insights.htm.

11) “The Dark Side of Islam,” an unsigned article on The Muslim - Christian Debate Website at http://www.debate.org.uk/topics/cool...e-of-Islam.htm.

12) Ibid.

13) M. Rafiqul-Haqq and P. Newton, “Tolerance in Islam,” an article on the Internet at http://www.debate.domini.org/newton/tolerance.htm.

14) Ney Rieber, “The Truth about Jihad,” an article on the Internet at http://www.bible.ca/islam-jihad.htm.

15) Randall Price, “Islam and the Middle East Conflict,” an undated and unpublished article, page 10.

16) Ibid.

17) Ibid., page 8.

18) “The Palestinians in Their Own Words: Palestinian Quote Sheet #50, 16 October, 2000,” a document on the Internet at IRIS: Information Regarding Israel's Security.

19) Lambert.

20) Sheikh Usamah bin-Muhammad bin-Laden, “Text of Fatwah Urging Jihad Against Americans,” published by Al-Quds al-Arabi on February 23, 1998. Posted on the Internet at ICT - International Institute for Counter-Terrorism.

21) For more information about the 10/40 Window prayer effort, see 1040Window.org.

[KENNETH MATIBA]

Consider the one million Armenian Christians who were slaughtered by Turkish Muslims at the beginning of the 20th century. The atrocities and kidnappings which are done for the cause of Islam are usually carried out by terrorist groups such as Al Jihad in Lebanon or Al Muhahideen in Iran. Al Muhahideen has provided the largest number of fanatic terrorist fighters in the war with Iraq. More than 1,000 people in the town of Diem in the Sudan were massacred in 1987 because of Islamic law.1 When the Sudan was officially declared an Islamic republic, dozens of pastors were killed and many churches were destroyed.2

The violent, bloody history of Islam was inaugurated by its founder, Mohammed, who would kill those that refused to be converted during his crusades. When Mohammed's armies attacked cities, they offered their enemies three choices: 1) profess the Islam faith, 2) pay tribute, or 3) die by the sword. Many Christians died by the sword, but many others converted their churches into mosques.

Satanic Fury: The Force Behind Islam

[KENNETH MATIBA]

ISLAM: SAVAGE BARBARIC SATANIC CULT
STARTED BY A MENTALLY-ILL ORPHAN GANGSTER

The websites below with muslim contributors quote the exact chapters and verses in the
Koran which repeatedly tells its followers to loot, terrorize and kill people of other religions (esp.
Christians and Jews) for no reason other than their religion. They also tell you the shocking truth
about the robberies, vicious, violent, gangster life and mental problems of Islam's founder (that
led Aloys Sprenger, a noted historian to conclude that he was "psychopath", which, orphans can
become) as described IN THEIR OWN "RELIGIOUS" TEXTS:

SATYAMEVA JAYATE (TRUTH ALONE TRIUMPHS)

Prophet of Doom - Islam's Terrorist Dogma in Muhammad's Own Words

True History of Islam, Mohammed and the Koran

FABRICATING THE KORAN AND PALMING IT OFF AS 'ALLAH'S WORDS'

Muslim terrorists are brainwashed into suicidal violence by the booze-and-porno heaven
promised in the Koran which they are conned into believing is the "word of Allah". However
many reputed Islamic scholars discovered that Koran, a disogranized text replete with
grammatical errors, childish inconsistencies and obvious falsehoods was actually fabricated 200-
300 years after Mohammad's death by "multiple hands", and is pulp fiction and obviously not the
word of God:

http://www.infidels.org/library/mod...n/multiple.html

A noted Islamic scholar, who compared the modern Koran to the older versions, found
many inconsistencies between versions. In fact, the 72 alleged virgins (hoori) promised to
terrorists in heaven is a mistranslation of 72 raisins (hoor) from older versions, due to misplaced
diatrical marks on these similar sounding words, as reported in the New York Times. See:

Radical New Views of Islam and the Origins of the Koran

These sites are a must-read to understand the deep, religious roots of Islamic terrorism which
spans over a thousand years, and which has spread and through terror and force and which led to
slaughter of over a billion innocents in the Middle east, Africa, Sind, Kashmir, India, Chechnya,
Indonesia, WTC, Phillippines, etc., many 1000 times more than Hitler or any other tyrant ever in
history. These sites help you understand how the mullahs, Muslim tyrants and children's
textbooks in Saudi Arabia and Egypt, have have been conning ordinary Muslims and the world
by covering up the lies and forgeries in the Koran the life and crimes of Islam's founder, and why
giving visas or selling weapons or doing any business with these savages is like digging your
own grave and why the world must unite and eradicate this savage medieval satanic barbaric cult
for mankind to finally live in peace and harmony.

[AK 47]

hey.
you are just another illogical and irresponsible, ignorant person,who wrote for the sake of writing ignoring the fact and the truth of what you are writing about.
firsly just to crrect you.you said that 'The god of Islam is a false god. He is really Satan in disguise'.in islam, Allah is the name of God which is a unique name without singular,plural e,t,c. bible was translated in many languages i.e swahili and to tell you. all the bible that were translated in arabic,the name of God was replace by the name of Allah. if you say Alah is not a true God, then people who are reading the bible in arabic are following a false God.muslims pray to one and true God while christian pray to,is it God or jesus?the holy spirit?three in one(mathematicaly incorrect)?who is who?i dont know...

you also said that 'The Islamic scriptures are a jumbled mess of contradictory statements that are unscientific, unhistorical, and unbiblical.'
first of all there is nothing scientific about the bible.no proven scince in the bible.........the first miracle.....you know it,its your fevorite.let me remind you turn water into wine.does it ring a bell?all the miracles in the bible cannot be scientifically proven.walkin on water.you know them,and nowadays the even give barren women babies,what crap of nonsense or they are the false prophets.what about chilren disapearing in hospitals,i thinks these people are just bunch of crooks praying on poor massof people who are desperate of promised miracles.victims of their faiths.

just read these:SOME OF THE ABSURD SCIENCE IN THE BIBLE.


Absurd Torah “Science”

1) The Genesis 1 creation account conflicts with the order of events that are known to science. Genesis 1:1 The earth is created before light and stars, birds and whales before reptiles and insects, and flowering plants before any animals. From science, we know that the true order of events was just the opposite.


2) Plants are made on the third day (Genesis 1:11) before there was a sun to drive their photosynthetic processes (Genesis 1

3) “And God said, ‘Let the water bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven” (Genesis 1:20). Birds did not emerge from water.

4) "And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, the beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. And God made…every thing that creepth upon the earth after his kind…" (Genesis 1:24-25). Science contends that reptiles were created long before mammals, not simultaneously. While reptiles existed in the Carboniferous Age, mammals did not appear until the close of the Reptilian Age.

5) “So God created man in his own image,...male and female created he them” (Genesis 1:27), and “the evening and the morning were the sixth day” (Genesis 1:31). If Adam was created on the 6th day, approximately 6,000 years ago (Bishop Usher’s calculations), then nobody lived before 4,000 B.C. Prehistoric men would be fictitious. By tracing the genealogy of Jesus back 77 generations to Adam, the third chapter of Luke also supports belief in a very young earth. If each man had lived approximately 100 years, then the world would be no more than 9,684 (7,700 + 1984) years old. If each of Jesus’ ancestors had lived to be 1,000 years old (an age not even reached by Methuselah), the earth would still be only 78,984 (77,000 + 1984) years old, according to creationists.

6) “And to every beast of the earth, and every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so” (Genesis 1:30). Carnivorous beasts and fowl do not eat green herbs, nor were all animals originally herbivores. Simply consider tapeworms, vampire bats, mosquitoes, barracudas, tigers, etc.

7) In Genesis 1, the entire creation takes 6 days (Genesis 1:31), at the end of which the earth and its living things are pretty much as they are today. But we know from modern science that the universe (including the earth and life on earth) evolved slowly over billions of years.

8) In Genesis 2:7 humans are created instantaneously from dust and breath, whereas they actually evolved over millions of years from simpler life forms. Science can in fact trace back human evolution CONCLUSIVELY 3 .2 million

10) God curses the serpent, making him crawl on his belly and eat dust (Genesis 3:14). One wonders how he got around before -- by hopping on his tail, perhaps? But snakes don’t eat dust, do they?

11) “There were giants in the earth in those days.” Genesis 6:4 But there is no archaeological evidence for the existence of these giants. Also there is a reference to the “Nephilim” being on the earth. Which is a term used for half angel, half human. Why is there no archaeological evidence for the existence of the Nephilim either?

12) Noah is told to make an ark that is 450 feet long (Genesis 6:14-15). The largest wooden ships ever built were just over 300 feet, and they required diagonal iron strapping for support. Even so, they leaked so badly that they had to be pumped constantly. Are we to believe that Noah, with no shipbuilding knowledge and no shipbuilding tradition to rely upon, was able to construct a wooden ship that was longer than any that has been built since?

13) Whether by twos or by sevens, Noah takes male and female representatives from each species of “every thing that creepeth upon the earth” (Genesis 7:8). Now this must have taken some time, along with expert knowledge of taxonomy, genetics, biogeography, and anatomy. How did Noah manage to collect the endemic species from the New World, Australia, Polynesia, and other remote regions entirely unknown to him? How, once he found them, did he transport them back to his Near Eastern home? How could he tell the male and female beetles (there are more than 500,000 species) apart? How did he know how to care for these new and unfamiliar animals? How did he find the space on the ark? How did he manage to find and care for the hundreds of thousands of parasitic species or the hundreds of thousands of plant species? (Plants are ignored in the Genesis account, but the animals wouldn’t last long if the plants died in the flood.) No, wait, don’t tell me, a miracle happened, millions of them.

14) All of the animals boarded the ark “in the selfsame day” (Genesis 7:13-14). Since there were several million species involved, they must have boarded at a rate of at least 100 per second. How did poor Noah and his family make sure that the correct number of each species entered through the door and then get them all settled into their proper living quarters so efficiently? I wish the airline companies could do as well!

15) The flood covered the highest mountain tops (Mount Everest?) with fifteen cubits to spare (Genesis 7:20). Where did all the water come from? Where did it all go? Why is there no evidence of such a massive flood in the geological record?

16) When the animals left the ark (Genesis 8:19), what would they have eaten? There would have been no plants after the ground had been submerged for nearly a year. What would the carnivores have eaten? Whatever prey they ate would have gone extinct. And how did the New World primates or the Australian marsupials find there way back after the flood subsided?

17) Noah kills the “clean beasts” and burns their dead bodies for God (Genesis 8:20). According to Genesis 7:8 this would have caused the extinction of all “clean” animals since only two of each were taken onto the ark. So why is it that we still have “clean” animals?

18) God is filled with remorse for having drowned his creatures in the flood. He even puts the rainbow in the sky so that whenever the animals see it they will remember God’s promise not to do it again (Genesis 9:13). But rainbows are caused by the nature of light, the refractive index of water, and the shape of raindrops. There were rainbows billions of years before humans existed.

19) “The whole earth was of one language” (Genesis 11:1). But this could not be true, since by this time (around 2400 BCE) there were already many languages, each unintelligible to the others.

20) (Genesis. 11:4) According to the Tower of Babel story, the many human languages were created instantaneously by God (Genesis 11:9) But actually the various languages evolved gradually over long periods of time.

21) (Genesis 14:14) Abram goes into pursuit looking for his captive relative in the city of Dan. The problem here is that the city of Dan did not exist until over 300 years after Moses died. How is it that Abram could enter the city of Dan, when the city did not even exist?

22) Jacob displays his (and God’s) knowledge of biology by having goats copulate while looking at streaked rods. The result is streaked baby goats (Genesis 30:37). The author of Genesis (God?) believed that genetic characteristics of the offspring are determined by what the parents see at the moment of conception. This is a laughable belief. Ask any animal husbandrist.

23) Camels don’t divide the hoof (Leviticus 11:4). This statement is completely moronic for every TEENAGER knows what a “camel toe” and how it used to describe a specific split.

24) The bible says that hares and conies are unclean because they “chew the cud” but do not part the hoof (Leviticus 11:5-6). But hares and coneys are not ruminants and they do not “chew the cud.”

25) Bats are birds to the biblical God (Leviticus 11:13-19 & Deuteronomy 14:11-18).

26) Some birds have four feet (Leviticus 11:20-21)

28) Unicorns have never existed, yet they are said to in Deuteronomy 33:17.

29) Fiery serpents have NEVER existed yet Numbers 21:6 claims they do and TO THIS DAY STILL inhabit certain cities.

[infinitepyro]

First, I laugh. Hahahahaha!
okay now business:

Islam is not by definition a religion. It is a cult.
They call thea Muhammed a prophet-show me even 1 of his prophecies or a miracle at least.
He heard a voice in the wind, as Sulman Rushdie, ex Muslim wud ask, cud tht hav bin Sheitan talkin?
His wife saw a means of fortune n fame n told him 2 say it was God.
Thea was a Mayan deity called Allah waaaay b4 Islam.
I dont really giv an eff abt Islam so lets move on to.....
CHRISTIANITY.

This may b a religion yes but it is beriddled with paganism n satanism even more than Islam.
Yo God is Jealous n Angry all the time yet u follow blindly.
Christians r the biggest hypocrites in the world ata heri Muslims.
Christianity claims Jesus was the son of God n professes a trinity n stil say thea is only one God? How is tht even possible? N wen I asked my pastor he sed I shud pray 4 understandin. Understanding?! Eff off! Christians r alike 2 deluded Rastafarians cz both factions practise idolatry. Esp Catholics.
Ask a catholic 2 tel u the 2nd commndment as taught in catechism n compare tht 2 wot the (Un?)holy Bible says!

Basically wot am sayin is:

EFF ALL RELIGIONS!!! ACKNOWLEDGE ONE SUPREME BEING!

Peace!

[KENNETH MATIBA]

The concept of the Trinity is introduced by Jesus Christ himself, including in Matthew 28:19-20. "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them "in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you." Jesus thus not only defines the Trinity, but appears to indicate that there is one name that encompasses the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

The Apostle John is identified as the "one whom Jesus loved" thus perhaps being the closest Apostle to Jesus. In John 19:26, Jesus also instructed John to adopt Jesus' mother Mary as John's own in Mary's old age, [4] such that John would have had the entire knowledge of Jesus' family when writing his Gospel. John opens the Gospel of John by declaring "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made." The rest of John Chapter 1 makes it clear that "the Word" refers to Jesus the Christ.

Thus John introduces a seemingly impossible contradiction, that Jesus both "was with God" and "was God" at the same time, and that from the beginning of creation. John also portrays Jesus Christ as the Creator of the Universe, such that "without him nothing was made that has been made." [5] Such a paradox is fundamentally impossible, and it is thus believed that it could only be fulfilled by a divine being to be both with God and to be God at the same time. John also argues for the divine nature of Jesus.

Jesus frequently referred to the "Father" as God as distinct from Himself, but also discussed "The Holy Spirit" as a being distinct from either God the Father or Jesus Himself. ' "These things I have spoken to you while abiding with you. But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you." John 14:25-26 [6] In this passage, Jesus portrays the Father sending the Holy Spirit -- that is the Father and the Holy Spirit are two distinctly different persons, and portrays both the Father and the Holy Spirit as distinct from Jesus Himself. Thus even apart from whether Jesus was God, Jesus tells us that the Father and the Holy Spirit are two different persons, both of them Divine.

Many passages from the Old Testament have been cited as supporting the Trinity. The very first chapters of the Bible in Genesis portray God discussing His plans of creation with Himself as a committee: ' 26 Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; ...." ' Genesis 1:26 [7]

The Old Testament depicts God as the father of Israel and refers to (possibly metaphorical) divine figures such as Word, Spirit, and Wisdom. Some biblical scholars have said that "it would go beyond the intention and spirit of the Old Testament to correlate these notions with later Trinitarian doctrine."[6] According to the Catholic Encyclopedia, a few of the Fathers "found what would seem to be the sounder view" that "no distinct intimation of the doctrine was given under the Old Covenant." [7][8] "Some of these, however, claimed that a knowledge of the mystery was granted to the Prophets and saints of the Old Dispensation.[9] The matter seems to be correctly summed up by Epiphanius, when he says: "The One Godhead is above all declared by Moses, and the twofold personality (of Father and Son) is strenuously asserted by the Prophets. The Trinity is made known by the Gospel".[10][8]

The New Testament also does not use the word "Τριάς" (Trinity), nor explicitly teach it.[11] The Trinity article in Encyclopedia Britannica states: "Neither the word Trinity nor the explicit doctrine appears in the New Testament, nor did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema in the Old Testament: "Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord" (Deuteronomy 6:4)."[12]Encyclopedia of Religion, for example, argues that "God the Father is source of all that is (Pantokrator) and also the father of Jesus Christ. Early liturgical and creedal formulas speak of God as "Father of our Lord Jesus Christ"; praise is to be rendered to God through Christ (see opening greeting in Paul and deutero-Paul). There are other binitarian texts (e.g., Romans 4:24; Romans 8:11; 2 Corinthians 4:14; Colossians 2:12; 1 Timothy 2:5–6; 1 Timothy 6:13; 2 Timothy 4:1), and a few triadic texts (the strongest are 2 Corinthians 13:14 and Matthew 28:19)."[6]

According to Encyclopedia Britannica, while Trinity does not explicitly appear in the New Testament, its basis is established by the New Testament: The coming of Jesus Christ and the presumed presence and power of God among them had implications for the early Christians. "The Holy Spirit, whose coming was connected with the celebration of the Pentecost. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit were associated in such New Testament passages as the Great Commission: "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit" (Matthew 28:19); and in the apostolic benediction: "The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all" (2 Corinthians 13:14)."[12]

[mkenya asili]

Originally Posted by KENNETH MATIBA

The concept of the Trinity is introduced by Jesus Christ himself, including in Matthew 28:19-20. "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them "in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you." Jesus thus not only defines the Trinity, but appears to indicate that there is one name that encompasses the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

The Apostle John is identified as the "one whom Jesus loved" thus perhaps being the closest Apostle to Jesus. In John 19:26, Jesus also instructed John to adopt Jesus' mother Mary as John's own in Mary's old age, [4] such that John would have had the entire knowledge of Jesus' family when writing his Gospel. John opens the Gospel of John by declaring "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made." The rest of John Chapter 1 makes it clear that "the Word" refers to Jesus the Christ.

Thus John introduces a seemingly impossible contradiction, that Jesus both "was with God" and "was God" at the same time, and that from the beginning of creation. John also portrays Jesus Christ as the Creator of the Universe, such that "without him nothing was made that has been made." [5] Such a paradox is fundamentally impossible, and it is thus believed that it could only be fulfilled by a divine being to be both with God and to be God at the same time. John also argues for the divine nature of Jesus.

Jesus frequently referred to the "Father" as God as distinct from Himself, but also discussed "The Holy Spirit" as a being distinct from either God the Father or Jesus Himself. ' "These things I have spoken to you while abiding with you. But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you." John 14:25-26 [6] In this passage, Jesus portrays the Father sending the Holy Spirit -- that is the Father and the Holy Spirit are two distinctly different persons, and portrays both the Father and the Holy Spirit as distinct from Jesus Himself. Thus even apart from whether Jesus was God, Jesus tells us that the Father and the Holy Spirit are two different persons, both of them Divine.

Many passages from the Old Testament have been cited as supporting the Trinity. The very first chapters of the Bible in Genesis portray God discussing His plans of creation with Himself as a committee: ' 26 Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; ...." ' Genesis 1:26 [7]

The Old Testament depicts God as the father of Israel and refers to (possibly metaphorical) divine figures such as Word, Spirit, and Wisdom. Some biblical scholars have said that "it would go beyond the intention and spirit of the Old Testament to correlate these notions with later Trinitarian doctrine."[6] According to the Catholic Encyclopedia, a few of the Fathers "found what would seem to be the sounder view" that "no distinct intimation of the doctrine was given under the Old Covenant." [7][8] "Some of these, however, claimed that a knowledge of the mystery was granted to the Prophets and saints of the Old Dispensation.[9] The matter seems to be correctly summed up by Epiphanius, when he says: "The One Godhead is above all declared by Moses, and the twofold personality (of Father and Son) is strenuously asserted by the Prophets. The Trinity is made known by the Gospel".[10][8]

The New Testament also does not use the word "Τριάς" (Trinity), nor explicitly teach it.[11] The Trinity article in Encyclopedia Britannica states: "Neither the word Trinity nor the explicit doctrine appears in the New Testament, nor did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema in the Old Testament: "Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord" (Deuteronomy 6:4)."[12]Encyclopedia of Religion, for example, argues that "God the Father is source of all that is (Pantokrator) and also the father of Jesus Christ. Early liturgical and creedal formulas speak of God as "Father of our Lord Jesus Christ"; praise is to be rendered to God through Christ (see opening greeting in Paul and deutero-Paul). There are other binitarian texts (e.g., Romans 4:24; Romans 8:11; 2 Corinthians 4:14; Colossians 2:12; 1 Timothy 2:5–6; 1 Timothy 6:13; 2 Timothy 4:1), and a few triadic texts (the strongest are 2 Corinthians 13:14 and Matthew 28:19)."[6]

According to Encyclopedia Britannica, while Trinity does not explicitly appear in the New Testament, its basis is established by the New Testament: The coming of Jesus Christ and the presumed presence and power of God among them had implications for the early Christians. "The Holy Spirit, whose coming was connected with the celebration of the Pentecost. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit were associated in such New Testament passages as the Great Commission: "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit" (Matthew 28:19); and in the apostolic benediction: "The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all" (2 Corinthians 13:14)."[12]

You pervert, why do you always run away from me. Any way to make things short jesus was not there when the new testament was written therefore any false declarations such as the trinity were slipped into the new testament, fortunately he was there to read about the scriptures of the prophets before him and if they could have been with falsehood a he would have not say that he came not to change anything but to continue with what has been said said. we all know christianity first started in antioch four generations after christ has rissen to the heavens..... what is wrong with you open your eyes and ask your damn reverands for the truth.... i pity you .

[charuakl]

The New Testament tells how the Christians have to regard Islam. The apostle John wrote in his first letter, "Every spirit which does not acknowledge that Jesus has come in the flesh... is the spirit of the antichrist..." (1 John 2:18-23; 4:1-6).
“We must therefore confess with all humility that the spirit in Islam is the spirit of the antichrist. Muhammad had heard much about Jesus, but, in spite of all, he denied the crucified Son of God.”

Before the advent of Islam, the Arabs were idol worshipers. One of the historians by the name of Vaqqidi said that the Arabs had 360 Gods for each day of the year and the largest and the main God was called “Allah.” They were pagan, a polytheistic culture. Interestingly enough, not many Muslims want to accept that Allah was already being worshipped at the Ka’ba in Mecca by Arab pagans before Muhammad came along.

So that’s where Allah comes into the picture; eventually this idol becomes Islam’s God. When the Muslims say: Allah-o-Akbar or God is great, in reality; they refer to this large statue which was worshiped by the Bedouins in the Arabian Peninsula. Islam is paganism cult wrapped in monotheistic dogma.

"The Religion in the sight of Allah is Islam." (Qur'an 3:19)

Christians have come to believe that the Wisdom of the Lord is greater than the Muslim Sword commonly used to conquer and force its victims to obey the Allah’s manifestation: the Quran.

Islam is a grand delusion, birthed by Muhammad’s hallucination that he relayed to his first wife and employer, Khadija. Greatly frightened, he told Khadija that he was visited by jinn (devil) in the Hira cave. Khadija comforted the distraught man by assuring him that the episode was Allah’s way of choosing him as his messenger. Muhammad believed his rich wife-employer who was 15 years his senior and the delusion became a belief—Islam.

Islam is rooted in the primitive tribal mentality of “We against Them,” “We the righteous against the heathens,” “We the servants submissive of the Great Allah against the rebellious enemies of Allah.” Islam is a polarizer. Islam is an enemy-maker. To Islam, a non-Muslim is a combatant against Allah and he is fair game to be subjugated and killed.

Through a highly effective indoctrination, the jihadists have come to believe firmly in Islam’s grand delusion. They believe that Allah is the one and only supreme creator of earth and heavens; that it is their duty and privilege to abide by Allah’s will and carry out his plans at all costs; they believe firmly in a gloriously wonderful immortal afterlife in paradise, for which a martyr’s death is the surest quickest admission. Although the dominating theme of the delusion is quasi spiritual, the promised rewards of the afterlife awaiting the martyr are sensual and material. All the things and activities that the jihadists desire and cannot attain or practice, and reject in their earthly life will be purified and proffered to them in the paradise of the next life.

Islam is basically an instruction manual on manipulating human behavior (behavior modification of the sort a la Skinner) to manufacture consent a la Chomsky (Chomsky and American neo-cons are 1400 years behind manufacturing consent methods used by the mullahs to convince human being against his or her own pre-wired and genetic programming of survival instincts to become martyrs and recruit suicide brigades in one or two sessions of religious Sermon…Talk about manufacturing consent) among the masses and to render their brain and reasoning ability irrelevant and disabled so they can be used as unthinking and unquestioning tools of blind subjugation of fear to fill their mosques and to prefer death over life.

[infinitepyro]

Originally Posted by KENNETH MATIBA

The concept of the Trinity is introduced by Jesus Christ himself, including in Matthew 28:19-20. "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them "in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you." Jesus thus not only defines the Trinity, but appears to indicate that there is one name that encompasses the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

The Apostle John is identified as the "one whom Jesus loved" thus perhaps being the closest Apostle to Jesus. In John 19:26, Jesus also instructed John to adopt Jesus' mother Mary as John's own in Mary's old age, [4] such that John would have had the entire knowledge of Jesus' family when writing his Gospel. John also argues for the divine nature of Jesus.

Many passages from the Old Testament have been cited as supporting the Trinity. The very first chapters of the Bible in Genesis portray God discussing His plans of creation with Himself as a committee: ' 26 Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; ...." ' Genesis 1:26 [7]

The Old Testament depicts God as the father of Israel and refers to (possibly metaphorical) divine figures such as Word, Spirit, and Wisdom. Some biblical scholars have said that "it would go beyond the intention and spirit of the Old Testament to correlate these notions with later Trinitarian doctrine."[6] According to the Catholic Encyclopedia, a few of the Fathers "found what would seem to be the sounder view" that "no distinct intimation of the doctrine was given under the Old Covenant." [7][8] "Some of these, however, claimed that a knowledge of the mystery was granted to the Prophets and saints of the Old Dispensation.[9] The matter seems to be correctly summed up by Epiphanius, when he says: "The One Godhead is above all declared by Moses, and the twofold personality (of Father and Son) is strenuously asserted by the Prophets. The Trinity is made known by the Gospel".[10][8]

The New Testament also does not use the word "Τριάς" (Trinity), nor explicitly teach it.[11] The Trinity article in Encyclopedia Britannica states: "Neither the word Trinity nor the explicit doctrine appears in the New Testament, nor did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema in the Old Testament: "Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord" (Deuteronomy 6:4)."[12]Encyclopedia of Religion, for example, argues that "God the Father is source of all that is (Pantokrator) and also the father of Jesus Christ. Early liturgical and creedal formulas speak of God as "Father of our Lord Jesus Christ"; praise is to be rendered to God through Christ (see opening greeting in Paul and deutero-Paul). There are other binitarian texts (e.g., Romans 4:24; Romans 8:11; 2 Corinthians 4:14; Colossians 2:12; 1 Timothy 2:5–6; 1 Timothy 6:13; 2 Timothy 4:1), and a few triadic texts (the strongest are 2 Corinthians 13:14 and Matthew 28:19)."[6]

According to Encyclopedia Britannica, while Trinity does not explicitly appear in the New Testament, its basis is established by the New Testament: The coming of Jesus Christ and the presumed presence and power of God among them had implications for the early Christians. "The Holy Spirit, whose coming was connected with the celebration of the Pentecost. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit were associated in such New Testament passages as the Great Commission: "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit" (Matthew 28:19); and in the apostolic benediction: "The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all" (2 Corinthians 13:14)."[12]

Dude, u spend 2 much time(n space) debatin facts, I acknowledge tht u r a scholar n considerin that I shal ask u 2 do research on what verses were added 2 the bible by biased scribes - a fact which even Catholics r startin 2 admit (Pope John Paul insinuated as much in his many Apologies). The Trinity was a perversion by Paul.

Do u disagree with any of my other points on my previous post other than the Trinity squabble?

[ndigila]

Originally Posted by infinitepyro

[color="Green"]Dude, u spend 2 much time(n space) debatin facts, I acknowledge tht u r a scholar n considerin that I shal ask u 2 do research on what verses were added 2 the bible by biased scribes - a fact which even Catholics r startin 2 admit (Pope John Paul insinuated as much in his many Apologies). The Trinity was a perversion by Paul.

Based from Kenneth's follow up responses, you should know by now that he is just copy-pasting articles from anti-islamic websites.