[infinitepyro]

Originally Posted by mkenya asili

Jesus said to the Jews: "Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. (From the KJV Bible, Matthew 21:43)"

is this a forced reading??

Kingdom of heaven kitu gani! Fvck heaven! God is a slavedrivin...THING! Eff belief in a jealous, short-tempered egotistical entity. Y u wud put ya'll lives in the belief of such a being is beyond me.

That sed, the bible has many intentional edits 2 it. Many verses do not appear as intentioned by the original authors.
Another thing abt the bible is the way verses r subject 2 misinterpretation.

Lets not b lyk Matiba, copy-pastin lectures but in essence this posts titl has some truth in it. All religions r beriddled with woteva u ppl consider as Satanism n paganism. Lets just do away with religion, if u r spiritual just obey yo God n dont subscribe 2 wot ppl define as true or ryt. Think outsyd the box.

[KENNETH MATIBA]

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[KENNETH MATIBA]

Amil Imani - Islam is the Enemy of Freedom

[Muhammad_4]

Mathew 7:22-23 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
I want to know, who call Jesus Lord? Christians! who prophesied in Jesus name? Christians! who cast out devil in Jesus name? Christians! who does wonderful works in Jesus name? like Matiba helping orphans? Christians!. After all these things, the man is telling you that he is going to ignore you!.
And the reason is why? you make him a god while he is not! look the man what he says about himself: "I do nothing of myself" (John 8:28)
"The Lord our God is one Lord" (Mark 12: 29), "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" (Mark 15:34), God pray to no one!.
Jesus was called a prophet, a teacher from God, His servant, the Messiah, and later was escalated to the Son of God, and then to God Himself!.
How can a mortal woman give birth to God? Jesus slept while God never sleeps: Psalms 121:4: "Behold, he that keepeth Israel shall neither slumber nor sleep." God should be powerful but how could people spit on him and crucify him as the Bible alleges? How could Jesus be God if he worshipped God as any other mortal: Luke 5:16: "And he withdrew himself into the wilderness, and prayed."
By the way,The Trinity is not biblical. The word "Trinity" is not even in the Bible or Bible dictionaries. It was never taught or mentioned by Jesus. There is no basis or proof in the Bible for its acceptance.

[faiyyy]

Now Muhammad did you forget to quote verse 21: Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.For your info, there are christians who do all the things you mentioned but do not walk the right way. Those are the people who Jesus was reffering to. A good example were the Pharisees, as much as they prayed on the mountain tops, wore the whitest of robes, knew the scriptures from a to z, in their hearts was greediness, selfishness and alot more. Most of them were leaders in the church, in the peoples eyes they were God's servants.

Again in John 8:28, quote the whole verse: Jesus was reffering to God who sent him, it was not his will to come to earth, he was just obeying his father, nothing of his own making.

Ge 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. This passage confirms that the Holy Spirit existed way before

"I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me" (John 14:6). Jesus clearly reffered to The Lord as his father.

As for the title "The Son of Man," it is the oldest one given to Christ in the New Testament. It goes back to the seventh chapter of the prophecy of Daniel: "I was watching in the night visions, and behold, One like the Son of Man, coming with the clouds of heaven! He came to the Ancient of Days, and they brought Him near before Him. Then to Him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom."

Mat 20:28 Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many. He also knew what he came on earth to do. There are also miracles that Jesus performed that surpassed human understanding.

"In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins" (1 John 4:10).

For even here unto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps. He committed no sin, nor was guile found in His mouth" (1 Peter 2:21,22).

[Muhammad_4]

You quoted "i am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the father except through me" (john 14:6). Jesus clearly reffered to the lord as his father". I have already post a reply about this passage, but in a respect to your response i will repeat again. First, this passage is contradicted by acts 10:35 but in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him. Second,if jesus had made this fantastic claim about himself, then the first three gospels would surely have recorded it.if they were part of the original words of jesus himself,how could it be that only john (the fourth one,the last one) who picked them up and none others? third, no one knows the last name of john (who?) or mathew, mark, luke. So how can they taken as witnesses? you quoted "in this is love, not that we loved god, but that he loved us and sent his son to be the propitiation for our sins" (1 john 4:10). First of all, you need to be sure that those words can truly be attributed to almighty god.read what follows: deuteronomy 24:16: "the fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin." jeremiah 31:30: "but every one shall die for his own iniquity ..." ezekiel 18:20: "the soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him." i corinthians 3:8. "now he that planteth and he that watereth are one; and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour." matthew 9:13: "but go ye and learn what that meaneth, i will have mercy, and not sacrifice ..." how is it possible that god was incarnated in christ, whilst making christ a sacrifice for your sin? you quoted :ge 1:2 and the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the spirit of god moved upon the face of the waters. This passage confirms that the holy spirit existed way before" read isaiah 45:18: "for thus saith the lord that created the heavens; god himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: i am the lord; and there is none else." from isaiah 45:18 we can conclude that god alone was the creator and that no one else, not even jesus, not holy ghost participated in the creation. Faiyy conteplate on this :matthew 1:18. "now the birth of jesus christ was in this way: when as his mother mary was espoused to joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the holy ghost." compare this with luke 1:26-27. "and in the sixth month the angel gabriel was sent from god unto a city of galilee, named nazareth, to a virgin espoused to a man whose name was joseph, of the house of david; and the virgin's name was mary." in jesus miraculous birth matthew mentioned the holy ghost and luke mentioned the angel gabriel. What is the holy ghost then? no doubt is angel gabriel. Then god is god and the holy ghost or the holy spirit is the angel gabriel, and jesus is a prophet, son of mary.

[Shagster]

Why do you people keep on attacking Islam? does it make you feel cool and american? Let us look into the recent violence in Kenya and hate those who bank-rolled it and make them pay instead of calling them waheshimiwa. The Kenyan so-called christian society worships thieves because they come from our tribes,support machete-wielding murderers because of tribes, are ready to descend on 10 year old street kid who stole a tomato and murder him savagely, and instead of seeking our souls within ourselves we pick on muslims because america has decided for us and we will forever lick their asses.

Know your real enemies and know yourselves, then you will find peace. And you quote verses from the Quran trying to show that Islam is a violent and cruel religion. I have something for you, call it the truth about christianity..
Genesis
1. God likes Abel's dead animals better than Cain's fruits and vegetables. Why? Well, no reason is given, but it probably has something to do with the amount of pain, blood, and gore involved. 4:3-5

2. Because God liked Abel's animal sacrifice more than Cain's vegetables, Cain kills his brother Abel in a fit of religious jealousy. 4:8

3. God is angry. He decides to destroy all humans, beasts, creeping things, fowls, and "all flesh wherein there is breath of life." He plans to drown them all. 6:7, 17

4. God repeats his intention to kill "every living substance ... from off the face of the earth." But why does God kill all the innocent animals? What had they done to deserve his wrath? It seems God never gets his fill of tormenting animals. 7:4

5. God drowns everything that breathes air. From newborn babies to koala bears -- all creatures great and small, the Lord God drowned them all. 7:21-23

6. Noah kills the "clean beasts" and burns their dead bodies for God. According to 7:8 this would have caused the extinction of all "clean" animals since only two of each were taken onto the ark. "And the Lord smelled a sweet savor." 8:20

7. To free Lot from captivity, Abram sends an army of slaves to pursue and smite his captors. 14:14-15

8. God tells Abram to kill some animals for him. The needless slaughter makes God feel better. 15:9-10

9. Hagar conceives, making Sarai jealous. Abram tells Sarai to do to Hagar whatever she wants. "And when Sarai dealt hardly with her, she fled." 16:6

10. Lot refuses to give up his angels to the perverted mob, offering his two "virgin daughters" instead. He tells the bunch of angel rapers to "do unto them [his daughters] as is good in your eyes." This is the same man that is called "just" and "righteous" in 2 Pet.2:7-8. 19:7-8

11. God kills everyone (men, women, children, infants, newborns) in Sodom and Gomorrah by raining "fire and brimstone from the Lord out of heaven." Well, almost everyone -- he spares the "just and righteous" Lot and his family. 19:24

12. God threatens to kill Abimelech and his people for believing Abe's lie. 20:3-7

13. God orders Abraham to kill Isaac as a burnt offering. Abraham shows his love for God by his willingness to murder his son. But finally, just before Isaac's throat is slit, God provides a goat to kill instead. 22:2-13

14. Dinah, the daughter of Jacob, is "defiled" by a man who seems to love her dearly. Her brothers trick all of the men of the town and kill them (after first having them all circumcised), and then take their wives and children captive. 34:1-31

15. "The terror of God was upon the cities that were round about them." I don't know what the "terror of God" is, but I'll bet it isn't pleasant. 35:5

16. "And Er, Judah's firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the Lord; and the Lord slew him." What did Er do to elicit God's wrath? The Bible doesn't say. Maybe he picked up some sticks on Saturday. 38:7

17. After God killed Er, Judah tells Onan to "go in unto they brother's wife." But "Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and ... when he went in unto his brother's wife ... he spilled it on the ground.... And the thing which he did displeased the Lord; wherefore he slew him also." This lovely Bible story is seldom read in Sunday School, but it is the basis of many Christian doctrines, including the condemnation of both masturbation and birth control. 38:8-10

18. After Judah pays Tamar for her services, he is told that she "played the harlot" and "is with child by whoredom." When Judah hears this, he says, "Bring her forth, and let her be burnt." 38:24

19. Joseph interprets the baker's dream. He says that the pharaoh will cut off the baker's head, and hang his headless body on a tree for the birds to eat. 40:19

Exodus
20. Moses murders an Egyptian after making sure that no one is looking. 2:11-12

21. God threatens to kill the Pharaoh's firstborn son. 4:23

22. God decides to kill Moses because his son had not yet been circumcised. 4:24-26

23. God will make sure that Pharaoh does not listen to Moses, so that he can kill Egyptians with his armies. 7:4

24. "And the Egyptians shall know that I am the LORD." Who else could be so cruel and unjust? 7:5, 17

25. God tells Moses and Aaron to smite the river and turn it into blood. 7:17-24

26. The fifth plague: all cattle in Egypt die. 9:2-6

27. The sixth plague: boils and blains upon man and beast. 9:9-12

28. "For I will at this time send all my plagues upon thine heart, and upon thy servants, and upon thy people; that thou mayest know that there is none like me in all the earth." Who else but the biblical god could be so cruel? 9:14

29. God kills all Egyptian cattle with hail. 9:19-20

30. The seventh plague is hail. "And the hail smote throughout the land of Egypt all that was in the field, both man and beast." 9:22-25

31. These verses clearly show that the mass murder of innocent children by God was premeditated. 11:4-6 (see 12:29-30)

32. God will kill the Egyptian children to show that he puts "a difference between the Egyptians and Israel." 11:7

33. God explains to Moses that he intends to "smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast. 12:12

34. After God has sufficiently hardened the Pharaoh's heart, he kills all the firstborn Egyptian children. When he was finished "there was not a house where there was not one dead." Finally, he runs out of little babies to kill, so he slaughters the firstborn cattle, too. 12:29

35. To commemorate the divine massacre of the Egyptian children, Moses instructs the Israelites to "sacrifice to the Lord all that openeth the matrix" -- all the males, that is. God has no use for dead, burnt female bodies. 13:2, 12, 15

36. After hardening Pharaoh's heart a few more times, God drowns Pharaoh's army in the sea 14:4-28

37. Moses and the people sing praises to their murderous god. 15:1-19

38. "The Lord is a man of war." Indeed, judging from his acts in the Old Testament, he is a vicious warlike monster. 15:3

39. God's right hand dashes people in pieces. 15:6

40. Joshua, with God's approval, kills the Amalekites "with the edge of the sword." 17:13

41. "The Lord has sworn [God swears!] that the Lord will have war with Amalek from generation to generation." 17:14-16

42. Any person or animal that touches Mt. Sinai shall be stoned to death or "shot through." 19:12-13

43. God gives instructions for killing and burning animals. He says that if we will make such "burnt offerings," he will bless us for it. What kind of mind would be pleased by the killing and burning of innocent animals? 20:24

44. A child who hits or curses his parents must be executed. 21:15,17

45. An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. 21:24-25

46. If an ox gores someone, then both the ox and its owner must die. 21:28-29

47. "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." Thousands of innocent women have suffered excruciating deaths because of this verse. 22:18

48. "Whosoever lieth with a beast shall surely be put to death." Is it really necessary to kill such people? Couldn't we just send them to counseling or something? 22:19

49. "He who sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the Lord only, he shall be utterly destroyed." If this commandment is obeyed, then the four billion people who do not believe in the biblical god must be killed. 22:20

50. If you make God angry enough, he will kill you and your family with his own sword. 22:24

51. "The firstborn of thy sons thou shalt give unto me." (As a burnt offering?) 22:29

52. God promises to "send his fear before the Israelites" and to kill everyone that they encounter when they enter the promised land. 23:27

53. Moses has some animals killed and their dead bodies burned for God. Then he sprinkles their blood on the altar and on the people. This makes God happy. 24:5-8

54. Get some animals, kill them, chop up their bodies, wave body parts in the air, burn the carcasses, and sprinkle the blood all around -- in precisely the way God tells you. It may well make you sick, but it makes God feel good. 29:11-37

55. Have your killed and offered your bullock for a sin offering today? How about the two lambs you are supposed to offer each day? 29:36-39

56. Wash up or die. 30:20-21

57. Whoever puts holy oil on a stranger shall be "cut off from his people." 30:33

58. Those who break the Sabbath are to be executed. 31:14

59. God asks to be left alone so that his "wrath may wax hot" and he can "consume them. 32:10

60. God orders the sons of Levi (Moses, Aaron, and the other members of their tribe that were "on the Lord's side") to kill "every man his neighbor." "And there fell of the people that day about 3000 men." 32:27-28

61. But God wasn't satisfied with the slaughter of the 3000, so he killed some more people with a plague. 32:35

62. If you can't redeem him, then just "break his neck." Hey, it's all for the glory of God. 34:20

63. Whoever works, or even kindles a fire, on the Sabbath "shall be put to death." 35:2-3

[Shagster]

Should I go on? ok...

Leviticus
64. God gives detailed instructions for performing ritualistic animal sacrifices. such bloody rituals must be important to God, judging from the number of times that he repeats their instructions. Indeed the entire first nine chapters of Leviticus can be summarized as follows: Get an animal, kill it, sprinkle the blood around, cut the dead animal into pieces, and burn it for a "sweet savor unto the Lord." Chapters 1 - 9

65. Wringing off the heads of pigeons for God. 5:8-9

66. The holy law of trespass offering: Find an animal; kill it; sprinkle the blood around; offer God the fat, rump, kidneys, and caul; burn and eat it in the holy place, for "it is most holy." 7:1-6

67. The priest must sprinkle the blood of the peace offerings. 7:14

68. Be careful what you eat during these animal sacrifices. Don't eat fat or blood -- these are for God. (And he doesn't like to share!) 7:18-27

69. God gives instructions for "wave offerings" and "heave offerings." He says these offerings are to be made perpetually "by a statute for ever." Have you made your heave offering today? 7:30-36

70. Moses does it all for God. First he kills an animal; wipes the blood on Aaron's ears, thumbs, and big toes. Then he sprinkles blood round about and waves the guts before the Lord. Finally he burns the whole mess for "a sweet savour before the Lord." 8:14-32

71. More killing, sprinkling of blood, waiving animal parts, and burning carcasses "before the Lord." 9:8-21

72. Two of the sons of Aaron "offered strange fire before the Lord" and "there went out fire from the Lord, and devoured them, and they died before the Lord." 10:1-2

73. If priests misbehave at the tabernacle by uncovering their heads, tearing their clothes, leaving with holy oil on them, or by drinking "wine or strong drink", then God will kill them and send his wrath on "all the people." 10:6-9

74. God's treatment for leprosy: Get two birds. Kill one. Dip the live bird in the blood of the dead one. Sprinkle the blood on the leper seven times, and then let the blood-soaked bird fly off. Next find a lamb and kill it. Wipe some of its blood on the patient's right ear, thumb, and big toe. Sprinkle seven times with oil and wipe some of the oil on his right ear, thumb and big toe. Repeat. Finally kill a couple doves and offer one for a sin offering and the other for a burnt offering. 14:2-32

75. God explains the use of scapegoats. It goes like this: Get two goats. Kill one. Wipe, smear, and sprinkle the blood around seven times. Then take the other goat, give it the sins of all the people, and send it off into the wilderness. 16:6-28

76. If you upset God, he'll cause the land to vomit you out. 18:25

77. "Whosoever shall commit any of these abominations ... shall be cut off from among their people." I'm not sure what being "cut off" means exactly, but I bet it isn't any fun. 18:29, 19:8

78. Kill anyone who "gives his seed" to Molech. If you refuse, God will cut you and your family off. 20:2-5

79. "For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall surely be put to death." Couldn't we try spanking first? 20:9

80. Both parties in adultery shall be executed. 20:10

81. "And the man that lieth with his father's wife ... both of them shall be put to death." Which? The man and his father? The father and his wife? Or the man and his father's wife? Oh heck, just kill all three. 20:11

82. If a man "lies" with his daughter-in-law, then both must be killed. 20:12

83. Homosexuals must be executed. 20:13

84. If you "lie" with your wife and your mother-in-law (now that sounds fun!), then all three of you must be burned to death. 20:14

85. If a man or woman "lie with a beast" both the person and the poor animal are to be killed. 20:15-16

86. People with "familiar spirits" (witches, fortune tellers, etc.) are to be stoned to death. 20:27

87. A priest's daughter who "plays the whore" is to be burned to death. 21:9

88. God gives us more instructions on killing and burning animals. I guess the first nine chapters of Leviticus wasn't enough. He says we must do this because he really likes the smell -- it is "a sweet savour unto the Lord." 23:12-14, 18

89. Don't do any work on the day of atonement or God will destroy you. 23:29-30

90. A man curses and blasphemes while disputing with another man. Moses asks God what to do about it. God says that the whole community must stone him to death. "And the children of Israel did as the Lord and Moses commanded." 24:10-23

91. Anyone who blasphemes or curses shall be stoned to death by the entire community. 24:16

92. God tells the Israelites to "chase" their enemies and make them "fall before you by the sword." He figures five of the Israelites will be able to "chase" a hundred of their enemies, and a hundred will be able to "put ten thousand to flight." 26:7-8

93. God describes torments that he has planned for those who displease him. The usual stuff: plagues, burning fevers that will consume the eyes, etc. but he reserves the worst for the little children. He says "ye shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it", "I will send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children", and "ye shall eat the flesh of your sons .. daughters." 26:16-39

94. All "devoted" things (both man and beast) "shall surely be put to death." 27:28-29

[Shagster]

More..?


Numbers
95. God displays his hospitality with the admonition: "The stranger that cometh nigh shall be put to death." 1:51

96. Two of Aaron's sons are killed by God for "offering strange fire before the Lord." 3:4

97. God repeats his order (see 1:51) to kill any strangers who happen to come near. 3:10

98. Once again (see 1:51 and 3:10) God tells his favorite people to kill any strangers that come near. 3:38

99. Don't touch or "go in to see when the holy things are covered." God kills people who touch or look at uncovered holy things. 4:15, 4:20

100. "And when the people complained, it displeased the Lord: and the Lord heard it." (He had his hearing aid on.) He then burns the complainers alive. That'll teach them. 11:1

101. "And wile the flesh [of the quails] was yet between their teeth, ere it was chewed, the wrath of the Lord was kindled against the people, and the Lord smote the people with a very great plague. "The Bible isn't too clear about what these poor folks did to upset God so much; all it says is that they had "lusted." 11:33

102. More plagues and pestilence sent by God. God repeats one of his favorite promises: "your carcasses shall fall in this wilderness." 14:12, 29, 14:32-37

103. God gives more instructions for the ritualistic killing of animals. The smell of burning flesh is "a sweet savour unto the Lord." 15:3, 13-14, 24

104. The Israelites find a man picking up sticks on the sabbath. God commands them to kill him by throwing rocks at him. 15:32-36

105. Because of a dispute between Korah and Moses, God makes the ground open up and it swallows Korah and his family. And then, just for the hell of it, God has a fire burn 250 men (friends of Korah?) to death. 16:20-49

106. After God killed Korah, his family, and 250 innocent bystanders, the people complained saying, "ye have killed the people of the Lord." So God, who doesn't take kindly to criticism, sends a plague on the people. And "they that died in the plague were 14,700." 16:41-50

107. God threatens to kill those who murmur. To which the people reply, "Behold, we die, we perish, we all perish .... Shall we be consumed with dying?" 17:12-13

108. According to this verse, it is wise to stay away from holy things and places -- like churches. God will kill you if you get too close. 18:3

109. God shows us how to make new friends by saying : "The stranger that cometh nigh shall be put to death." 18:7

110. God describes once again the procedure for ritualistic animal sacrifices. such rituals must be extremely important to God, since he makes their performance a "statute" and "covenant" forever. Why, then don't Bible-believers perform these sacrifices anymore? Don't they realize how God must miss the "sweet savour" of burning flesh? Don't they believe God when he says "forever"? 18:17-19

111. Don't get near holy things or "pollute" them. If you do, God will kill you. 18:22, 32

112. The purification of the unclean. These absurd rituals, cruel sacrifices, and unjust punishments are vitally important to God. He even insists that they are to be "a perpetual statute" to all humankind. 19:1-22

113. "And the Lord hearkened to the voice of Israel, and delivered up the Canaanites; and they utterly destroyed them and their cities." This verse demonstrates the power of prayer: If you ask God, he will destroy entire cities for you. 21:3

114. God sends "fiery serpents" to bite his chosen people, and many of them die. 21:6

115. God delivers the Amorites into Moses' hands. (You're in God hands with Moses.) So Moses does the usual thing, killing everyone "until their was none left alive." 21:34-35

116. God's people will kill like a lion and then "drink the blood of the slain." 23:24

117. God, who is as strong as a unicorn, will eat up the nations, break their bones, and then pierce them through with his arrows. What a guy! 24:8

118. After the people "commit whoredom with the daughters of Moab," Moses has them all killed. Then God tells Moses to hang their dead bodies up in front of him; God says that this will satisfy him. 25:1-5

119. When one of the Israelite men brings home a foreign woman, "Phinehas (Aaron's grandson) sees them and throws a spear "through the man .. and the woman through her belly." This act pleases God so much that "the plague was stayed from the children of Israel." But not before 24,000 had died. 25:6-9

120. God tells Moses how to care for his neighbors by saying: "Vex the Midianites, and smite them." 25:16-17

121. The ground swallow Korah and his companions and a fire consumes 250 men. 26:10

122. "And Nadab and Abihu died when they offered strange fire before the Lord." When you go camping avoid making any unusual fires. 26:61

123. In these chapters, God provides ridiculously detailed instructions for the ritualistic sacrifice of animals. The burning of their dead bodies smells great to God. Eleven times in these two chapters God says that they are to him a "sweet savour."

124. Under God's direction, Moses' army defeats the Midianites. They kill all the adult males, but take the women and children captive. When Moses learns that they left some live, he angrily says: "Have you saved all the women alive? Kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." So they went back and did as Moses (and presumably God) instructed, killing everyone except for the virgins. In this way they got 32,000 virgins -- Wow! [Even God gets some of the booty -- including the virgins. (31:28-29)] 31:1-54 28-29

125. God killed all the Egyptian firstborn. 33:4

126. "The revenger of blood" must murder the murderer just as soon as he sees him. 35:19, 21

127. When a murder is committed the blood pollutes the land. The only way to cleanse it is to spill more blood by killing the killer. 35:33

There you go, now read your bible well again and come here and call for peace..

[kachali]

Some discussions about qur’an, violence and fitnah prof. Dr. Ahmet akgündüz rector of islamic university of rotterdam · islam is the religion of tolerance · confuse of war-law with peace-law is naturally not good · islam prohibits violence during wars; how can it then allow violence in normal times? · fitnah (=instigation, provocation, testing and unjust persecution) · all religions accept that there is the hereafter and there is eternal punishment for unbelievers 1. Islam is the religion of tolerance due to the accusations by certain politicians and circles that portray islam as a religion promoting violence and terror, this subject became a hotly debated issue both in the netherlands and across the world. Thus, currently some muslims and non-muslims rightfully have questions regarding this subject. Our role in this is to explain various parts of this issue, especially to muslims. Islam is the religion of tolerance. It holds the human soul in high esteem, and considers the attack against innocent human beings a grave sin, this is emphasized by the following qur'anic verse: “... Whoever kills a human being for other than manslaughter or corruption and mischief in the earth, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind, and whoever saves the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind. Our messengers came unto them of old with clear proofs (of allah's sovereignty), but afterwards lo! many of them became prodigals in the earth” (the qur’an, 5: 32). In fact, muslims serve for life, not for death. We must not forget what the qur’an states: "namely, that no bearer of burdens can bear the burden of another" (6: 164). There is a universal rule of law: no one can be punished without evidence. Another important rule: freedom from guilt is principal, i.e. Everybody is innocent unless the opposite is proved. The basic approach of islam can be summed up in the following way: let us suppose that you were on a ship, or in a house, with nine innocent people and one criminal. If someone were to try to make the ship sink, or to set the house on fire, because of that criminal, you know how great a sinner he would be. You would cry out to the heavens against his sinfulness. Even if there were one innocent man and nine criminals aboard the ship, it would be against all rules of justice to sink it. We condemn these brutal and criminal acts, which are anathema to all human conventions and values and monotheist religions. 2. Confuse of war-law with peace-law is naturally not good a few years ago, i joined a conference in twente university . One among the 600 listeners addressed me and claimed that islam promotes violence and terror by citing the following verse: ‘,- fight ye the chiefs of unfaith: for their oaths are nothing to them: that thus they may be restrained..’ i asked him to read the first part of the verse but he did not want to. I completed the verse: . ‘but if they violate their oaths after their covenant, and taunt you for your faith,- ….’ (qur’an tawba, verse 12). Currently some politicians most of those that attack islam use this technique to attack islam and distort the verses they refer to. A more important point is this: as you know the laws of war and peace are separate in the legal system of each country. If you were to mix these laws up, you could even call the operations of netherlands in afghanistan and turkey in northern iraq violence. In this same way, the fundamental building stone of islamic law is quran. Within quran there are verses addressing the time of peace and there are those that are for the time of war. Some politicians make it look as if the verses regarding the time of war are general laws of islam. It is true that there are 109 verses within quran specifically targeted for the time of war. For example, verses that descended during the siege of medina are among these. “190. Fight in the cause of allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for allah loves not transgressors. 191. And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out; for provocation and tumult are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the sacred mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith. 192. But if they cease, allah is oft-forgiving, most merciful. 193. And fight them on until there is no more provocation or tumult, and there prevail justice and faith in allah. But if they cease, let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression.” (2: 190-193). Now if you were to read these verses and apply them to the time of peace, you would be making a mistake. Unfortunately an example of these mistakes was done by washington times writer cal thomas as he used only a part of the verse, “... Slay them wherever ye catch them” to accuse islam. It is true that there are 109 verses within quran specifically targeted for the time of war. However, unless you know in what context and for what reason these verses were revealed to prophet mohammed, you cannot know the meaning. The verses that i have just quoted from surah baqarah will seem to be promoting violence unless the context of their use, defensive warfare, is also taken into account. Unfortunately, some politicians around the world are ignorant about qur’an and islamic law. They are distorting some verses relating to war law as a violence event in the qur’an. They are generalizing war rules for everything. We would like to explain some misused and distorted verses. A) verse 47:4 “therefore, when ye meet the unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; at length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: until the war lays down its burdens. Thus (are ye commanded): but if it had been allah’s will, he could certainly have exacted retribution from them (himself); but (he lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the way of allah,- he will never let their deeds be lost.” this verse is completely arranging war law. If you compare these rules with modern war law, you can find qur’anic rules better and perfect. Other interpretations are absolutely is distortion. B) verse 8: 39: “and fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in allah altogether and everywhere; but if they cease, verily allah doth see all that they do.” the name of this surah is the booty of war. Qur’an says in verse 8: 1: “they ask thee concerning (things taken as) spoils of war…” even a child can understand that the qur’an is arranging war rules; because after this verse qur’an is arranging the rules relating the distribution of war booty. C) verse 8: 60: “against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of allah, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly.” if you consider all technology of weapons and war as a violence and fitnah, than the biggest fitnah and violence is the existence of usa and western states; because they preparing all weapon technology for the entire world. Qur’an is giving instructions for muslims to prepare themselves for war. This verse is included in war law too. I wish that all muslim countries would obey these instructions and become like western countries powerful. D) verse 4: 89: “they but wish that ye should reject faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): but take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of allah (from what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks”. This is related to war law too. If anybody reads next verse, he or she can understand even if they are not expert in law, they would say this is valid for war not peace. Let us read next verse please “except those who join a group between whom and you there is a treaty (of peace), or those who approach you with hearts restraining them from fighting you as well as fighting their own people….” the distortion is not ethic, not humanistic and that insulting for sacred texts and that ignorance and immorality.