[Tripple Seven]

Originally Posted by kenyajuu

That is called abstract alegebra - only good for theory/philosophy. It is very subjective

Yes but even the abstact has to conform to properties of mathematics and how they work not cohorting or turning formulae round and round.

[ndigila]

Ndigila,
I see alot of weakness in your proofs. How do you proof while using alot of ifs. How dou you come up with something tangible when the foundation is build-up on alot of assumptions? For example, Assuming i drank 4 litres of poison = I will be dead in four hors. Now, it it is not poison, I wont dies. When dealing with God, get rid of assumptions, the bible talks about surity.

This is not the issue here, I was arguing that 1+1=1, not whether or not God exists


You can nevr apply your equations to explain spiritual principles. You cannot say, multiply both sides by God or devide both sides by God (for God is infinity), that will distort your eaguation.
Once you include God in your computations, your will only diverge. The bible says that the ways of God are far above our ways. His understanding far above ours.

Hey, That is not what I was trying to do. You misread my intentions. God is not even a number

Look here, it is like applying Newtonian mechanics/laws to Quantum Mechanics. Just because Newtonian laws do not hold does not mean that we cannot understand what goes on inside an atom. Ok, use Heisenbergs uncertainity principle, you can nenver be 100% sure of two variables. Anytime you get closer to knowing one, the otherone becomes unknown.
Simply, to understand the things of God, use simplicity. Accept what the bible says about him and you will understand the new principles/laws governing spiritual things

Newtonian laws only make sense for certain conditions, quantum mechanics for others. Einstein comes with his theory that goes against common sense and then says we're all too stupid to understand. Its reached a point that the current numerical system is not feasible anymore. (For instance, our world exists in 4 dimensions, but if we look closely enough, we could get a possible 26 dimensions). Infact, one of our projects is to try and establish a new number system that better accurately describes our world than the current one. One that doesn't make use of constants, and is universally applicable (Both at the Newtonian and subatomic level). So far, what we're getting is that the number line is actually a 3-d sphere. But all this is college work. When it comes to spiritual matters, Jesus said have faith like a little child.

[kenyajuu]

Originally Posted by ndigila

Ndigila,
I see alot of weakness in your proofs. How do you proof while using alot of ifs. How dou you come up with something tangible when the foundation is build-up on alot of assumptions? For example, Assuming i drank 4 litres of poison = I will be dead in four hors. Now, it it is not poison, I wont dies. When dealing with God, get rid of assumptions, the bible talks about surity.

This is not the issue here, I was arguing that 1+1=1, not whether or not God exists


You can nevr apply your equations to explain spiritual principles. You cannot say, multiply both sides by God or devide both sides by God (for God is infinity), that will distort your eaguation.
Once you include God in your computations, your will only diverge. The bible says that the ways of God are far above our ways. His understanding far above ours.

Hey, That is not what I was trying to do. You misread my intentions. God is not even a number

Look here, it is like applying Newtonian mechanics/laws to Quantum Mechanics. Just because Newtonian laws do not hold does not mean that we cannot understand what goes on inside an atom. Ok, use Heisenbergs uncertainity principle, you can nenver be 100% sure of two variables. Anytime you get closer to knowing one, the otherone becomes unknown.
Simply, to understand the things of God, use simplicity. Accept what the bible says about him and you will understand the new principles/laws governing spiritual things

Newtonian laws only make sense for certain conditions, quantum mechanics for others. Einstein comes with his theory that goes against common sense and then says we're all too stupid to understand. Its reached a point that the current numerical system is not feasible anymore. (For instance, our world exists in 4 dimensions, but if we look closely enough, we could get a possible 26 dimensions). Infact, one of our projects is to try and establish a new number system that better accurately describes our world than the current one. One that doesn't make use of constants, and is universally applicable (Both at the Newtonian and subatomic level). So far, what we're getting is that the number line is actually a 3-d sphere. But all this is college work. When it comes to spiritual matters, Jesus said have faith like a little child.

Thanks for the support Tripple Seven.
Well put Ndigila. We seem to agree.

[ATLian]

Ndigila,

here's the flaw in your formula:

(a+b) (a-b) = b (a-b)

(a-b) is common on both sides. so it cancels out.

(a+b) = b

If a = b, then a - b = 0. As you should know from basic algebra, you cannot divide any number by zero! Therefore (a - b) CANNOT cancel out, meaning that your conclusion is flase. Even before getting that far, how can a = b if they are both different numbers? That's a mathematical imposiblity. It's like writing 7 = 8. Finally, if you do substitute the a and b with numbers AND you do the mathematically impossible by dividing by zero, your conclusion still won't hold. e.g. if a and b are both 2, then the end equation (a + b) = 2 becomes (2 + 2) = 2, which of course we know it isn't!

[ATLian]

You cannot say, multiply both sides by God or devide both sides by God (for God is infinity),

Kenyajuu,

just wondering how you know, or reach the conclusion, that god is infinity.

[kenyajuu]

Originally Posted by ATLian

You cannot say, multiply both sides by God or devide both sides by God (for God is infinity),

Kenyajuu,

just wondering how you know, or reach the conclusion, that god is infinity.

I will tell you after you define infinity to me

[ndigila]

If a = b, then a - b = 0. As you should know from basic algebra, you cannot divide any number by zero! Therefore (a - b) CANNOT cancel out, meaning that your conclusion is flase.

Very good, but since a and b are variables, i'm canceling out the (a-b) terms before evaluating what (a-b) is. Remember, we own the math, the math doesn't own us.


Even before getting that far, how can a = b if they are both different numbers? That's a mathematical imposiblity. It's like writing 7 = 8.
Finally, if you do substitute the a and b with numbers AND you do the mathematically impossible by dividing by zero, your conclusion still won't hold. e.g. if a and b are both 2, then the end equation (a + b) = 2 becomes (2 + 2) = 2, which of course we know it isn't!

Exactly, so there is either a flaw in the numerical system or in the algebra theory. Infact, one of the main issues we have in trying to come up with this new numerical system is how deal with 0.

Anyway, after hijacking this thread, we should get back to what the thread really is about. (Polygamy)

The Bible only makes it clear that Bishops should have one wife. For others, it is silent.

[Tripple Seven]

Originally Posted by ndigila

If a = b, then a - b = 0. As you should know from basic algebra, you cannot divide any number by zero! Therefore (a - b) CANNOT cancel out, meaning that your conclusion is flase.

Very good, but since a and b are variables, i'm canceling out the (a-b) terms before evaluating what (a-b) is. Remember, we own the math, the math doesn't own us.


Even before getting that far, how can a = b if they are both different numbers? That's a mathematical imposiblity. It's like writing 7 = 8.
Finally, if you do substitute the a and b with numbers AND you do the mathematically impossible by dividing by zero, your conclusion still won't hold. e.g. if a and b are both 2, then the end equation (a + b) = 2 becomes (2 + 2) = 2, which of course we know it isn't!

Exactly, so there is either a flaw in the numerical system or in the algebra theory. Infact, one of the main issues we have in trying to come up with this new numerical system is how deal with 0.

Anyway, after hijacking this thread, we should get back to what the thread really is about. (Polygamy)

The Bible only makes it clear that Bishops should have one wife. For others, it is silent.

Hey man fight alittle bit this man atlan or whoever he is is scaring the hell out of you. You own the math do something. Fight to the bitter end. I left the battlefield coz of my irrelevant major but am sure you can do better or isn't it not?

[Tripple Seven]

Originally Posted by kenyajuu

I will tell you after you define infinity to me

It would be nice to have a mathematical definition of infinity not just some number without end. I am waiting. See the excitement that comes along after a divorce?

[kenyajuu]

Originally Posted by Tripple Seven

It would be nice to have a mathematical definition of infinity not just some number without end. I am waiting. See the excitement that comes along after a divorce?

What excitement after what divorce? I am not sure I get you - please clarify.