[jasakwa]

You must have read this verse several times indeed but may be ,could be you missed to catch a point out of the first temptation the devil threw at Jesus.The story is found in mathew 4:1-11

"if you are truely the son of God,change these stones into bread"

what was the Devil's Intentions here????

[ATLian]

Originally Posted by jasakwa

You must have read this verse several times indeed but may be ,could be you missed to catch a point out of the first temptation the devil threw at Jesus.The story is found in mathew 4:1-11

"if you are truely the son of God,change these stones into bread"

what was the Devil's Intentions here????

Instead of asking rhetoric questions, why not give us your take then we can debate that? What was the devil's intention? And what the heck did Jesus' answer mean?


Also from reading your quoted verses:

Matthew 4:1 Then was Jesus led up of the spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.

Matthew 4:7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

Are the above 2 verses contradictory to you? If you should not tempt god, then what is Jesus doing with Satan? Why is he allowing him to tempt him?

That also contradicts the below verse:

James 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

And since god tempted Abraham, the verse above also lies when it says that god tempteth no man!

This Jewish folk story (like Chotadipo calls it) has too many errors and contradictions to be taken seriously!

[fiery_preacher]

@jasakwa my opinion is that the devil wanted to kill Jesus.You see it has been know from the second world war events.when a platoon american soldiers were cut off by a german offensive,they stayed for 30 days without food and when the first group of air-borne unit found them they gave them bread and the men died shortly after that.It really puzzled the military in those days and the mystery was later to be solved by gastroenterologists who proved that after prolonged starvation the body cannot handle energy foods well,especially bread.

That is exactly what the devil intended,if you read the verse attentively you will notice the word..and when the 40 days were over Jesus was very hungry..and that is the time the devil asked him to convert stone into bread and eat it.
i hope this answers your question.

[milanya]

I don't know about others, but most Christians believe Jesus to have been fully God and fully man. I think the devil tempted Jesus because he knew he was human at that point and hence more susceptible to it. However, Jesus' divine knowledge overpowered his bodily wishes and he resisted.

[jasakwa]

Originally Posted by ATLian

Instead of asking rhetoric questions, why not give us your take then we can debate that? What was the devil's intention? And what the heck did Jesus' answer mean?


Also from reading your quoted verses:

Matthew 4:1 Then was Jesus led up of the spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.

Matthew 4:7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

Are the above 2 verses contradictory to you? If you should not tempt god, then what is Jesus doing with Satan? Why is he allowing him to tempt him?

That also contradicts the below verse:

James 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

And since god tempted Abraham, the verse above also lies when it says that god tempteth no man!

This Jewish folk story (like Chotadipo calls it) has too many errors and contradictions to be taken seriously!

Atlian you are a controversial fellow to say the least,look Jesus was tempted by the devil and he rebuked the devil for that so the contradiction you talking about in "God cannot be tempted with evil" doesn't apply.

James 1:13 explains that evil temptations are of the devil,so you should realise that there is a christian understanding that clearly differentiates temptations and Trials.The case of abraham and isaac was a trial and even if you would call it temptation then it was not of the devil because no evil happened.

In our Lord's prayer there is a section that says"lead us not unto temptations but deliver us from evil"This is also touched lightly in the gospel when the Lord was praying for his disciples,he asked God to save them from evil temptation.

[HUH?]

Originally Posted by milanya

I don't know about others, but most Christians believe Jesus to have been fully God and fully man. I think the devil tempted Jesus because he knew he was human at that point and hence more susceptible to it. However, Jesus' divine knowledge overpowered his bodily wishes and he resisted.

The Jesus of the Qur'an (Isa) is described (yes a physical description) as an ascetic so putting two and two together would show this to be one of those "folk tales" that are meant to illuminate the duality between good and evil (they are abundant in African and Asian folk tales--some being older than the Jewish ones--if anyone cares to research), and as such it is a perfect moral lesson. stop taking scripture too literally...