[ndigila]

Most people, generally assume that an atheist automatically believes in the evolution and big bang theories. Is this true? If not, what other options are there?

[froggy]

scientology

[JINIKALI]

No and yes! atheist are of the view that there is no proof that God exists. If a beyond reason of doubt proof is provided, atheist will not have a problem converting and following whatever rules provided by that phenomenon. Belief is a theory assumed to be true. A belief can be held by one person or the masses but, this does not seem to bother atheists. Atheism is not a religion or a science, therefore they are entitled to individualistic perception of their own world as it pertains to many things including evolution. Some believe in evolution while others don't. Atheist do not need to meet to pledge loyalty to a cause of faith but, they simply only lack that faith.

[Death]

The only thing Atheists have in common, is the disbelief in the existence of God. However, due to the fact that we are not bogged down with religous dogma, we are able to objectivley view and digest any point of view (and accompanying evidence) that comes our way. It is for this reason that most atheists you come accross (at least those that have taken the time to learn about the theory of evolution), will no doubt have accepted it.
The modern day religous rejection of the theory of evolution is no different from the rejection and hostility that faced Galileo and co. when they proposed a heliocentric model of the world

Same sh*t different toilet.

[lavidanor]

Most (so-called) atheists do believe in eveolution or big bang speculations. the reason is that God created man with an innate sense of His (God's) existence as an explanation for origin.

Any person who denies the existence of God will be overwhelmed by the vacuum and burden to explain the origin. Man's quest would not settle until he gets something to quench this quest--an explanation of the origin. Evolution and the likes, therefore, provides them with an explanation despite its being more problematic than the belief in creation.

I said above so-called because there is no genuine atheism. Atheism is nothing but an escapism.

[ATLian]

Most (so-called) atheists do believe in eveolution or big bang speculations. the reason is that God created man with an innate sense of His (God's) existence as an explanation for origin.

Lavidanor,

your conclusion above makes absolutely no sense. Please expound some more.



Evolution and the likes, therefore, provides them with an explanation despite its being more problematic than the belief in creation.

You've got to be kidding me. There exists tons of evidence to prove the theory of evolution. There isn't a single iota of evidence to prove that creation was real. The only "evidence" you need to beleive in creation is to have is 100% blind faith.

Give me a list of the problems you associate with evolution, and I'll give you the ones I associate with creation.



I said above so-called because there is no genuine atheism. Atheism is nothing but an escapism.

Please expound on that too.

DOn't forget that we are all born as atheists. The only reason 99% of the believers in this world end up believing in the god they believe in is because they were born into a fmily and society that believes in that god. It's not because your god exists. Those who claim Christ is god would be here claiming Ganesh is god if they were born in Hindu India.

[lavidanor]

Lavidanor,
your conclusion above makes absolutely no sense. Please expound some more.

Which part of my statement didn't make sense? Is it thge fact that most of the atheists do believe in evolution or the part of the innate consciousness of God's existence? Below, you have indicated that you either belong or is sympathetic to the theory of evolution.

I would say this: If there was nothing innate about the quest for the origin, human beings wouldn't have been conscious about it (origin).

Evolution and the likes, therefore, provides them with an explanation despite its being more problematic than the belief in creation.

You've got to be kidding me. There exists tons of evidence to prove the theory of evolution. There isn't a single iota of evidence to prove that creation was real. The only "evidence" you need to beleive in creation is to have is 100% blind faith.

I am not kidding you. My statement above implied that there are problematics on both sides, only that Evolution is more problematic than creation.

Give me a list of the problems you associate with evolution, and I'll give you the ones I associate with creation.

If you are an objective observor as one atheist ascribe to atheists, you would appreciate the problematics of evolution just as I appreciate the problematics of the Biblical creation. Your posture here shows me that you are more interested in raising objections on the side of creation than you'd be willing to concede where a point is authentic.

By the way, we had already engaged in this line of thinking at the other thread (Coming Soon: "Thoughts for the Skeptic"). I still have a challenge for you there. Still waiting for your response on my last posting there. We may not need to start another one here.

I said above so-called because there is no genuine atheism. Atheism is nothing but an escapism.

Please expound on that too.

Like someone said, you need to be infinite to declare that God does'nt exist. He gave this example: For you to declare, for example, that there is no gold in China, you need to have opened up all the ground and every mouth (some people have artificial gold teeth) and everything else to make this statement.

Another thing ardent "atheists" have been reported calling upon God when death threatens life out of them. You don't have to wait for this.

DOn't forget that we are all born as atheists.

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This is not true. Claiming to be atheist involves a choice.

[HUH?]

Originally Posted by lavidanor

Evolution and the likes, therefore, provides them with an explanation despite its being more problematic than the belief in creation.

No. let me rephrase your statement: Evolution and the likes, therefore, provides them with an explanation despite its being just as problematic as the belief in creation.

BTW: True/pure Atheism is a misnormer. A true ethiest wouldn't even know what God means (the concept of belief in one). Agnostics however, are a dime adozen. an old philosophy teacher once told me that it's analogous to the difference between an illusion and an allusion.

[Death]

Originally Posted by HUH?

No. let me rephrase your statement: Evolution and the likes, therefore, provides them with an explanation despite its being just as problematic as the belief in creation.

You list the problems with Evolution, and I'll do the same with Creationism, and we'll see if the problems are even close to being equal.

Originally Posted by HUH?

BTW: True/pure Atheism is a misnormer. A true ethiest wouldn't even know what God means (the concept of belief in one). Agnostics however, are a dime adozen. an old philosophy teacher once told me that it's analogous to the difference between an illusion and an allusion.

That's pretty much the most ridiculous **** I've ever read on this forum (and that's saying a lot). Please look up the definition of an atheist, post it here verbatim, and see the ridiculousness of that statement

[ndigila]

Originally Posted by Death

The modern day religous rejection of the theory of evolution is no different from the rejection and hostility that faced Galileo and co. when they proposed a heliocentric model of the world

That may not necessarily be true. There's still plenty of scientists (christian or otherwise) who claim that evolution and the big bang theories have serious flaws.