[Dynamic]

Hello, guys. I know there have been plenty of threads scattered here and there from believers and skeptics alike proving or disaproving the existence of God, and asking question about religion and philosophy, etc. So I thought I'd make an attempt to try and tie all these things together by creating a series of threads over the next few weeks in a desperate attempt to straigthen some records while debunking other other philosophes and religions. Some of the topics I'll discuss are as follows,

Masonics, Illuminati among other cults and secret societies, existentialism, new-age religion, Nostradamus, Islam, black islam, buddhism, pantheism, monotheism etc, prophecies, understanding the trinity, morality, among other subjects.

I'll have proof and evidence for you all that you can go and verify yourselves if you still are in question as I define these controversial issues. Needless to say, debatable questions from the Christian and the skeptic alike will be welcome. I'll try to answer most if not all of them.

Now- I'm not claiming to be smarter than any of you neither am I trying to place myself on a pedalstool or anything, but just trying to shed some light on some truths that need be exposed. I hope your responses and questions will be mature and intellectual, for I'm creating this for those who seek to know the truth. I'll also make references to the Bible, as well as other works by various religious as well as secular authors.

I know I won't be able to convince all of you, but should just one person see this, I'll be content. I hope you find some legitimate pleasure intellectually out of this.

-Dynamic.

[youngben]

Am ever patient and waiting, but will you be able to handle the flood of queries and opinions? I hope you have a "call centre", probably outsourced from China. LOL

[Dynamic]

Originally Posted by youngben

Am ever patient and waiting, but will you be able to handle the flood of queries and opinions? I hope you have a "call centre", probably outsourced from China. LOL

Don't worry- I'll try my best to respond and all, keep everyone happy a little bit. Boy- I have a feeling skeptics are about to have a field day trying to tear me apart... i can almost see them there patiently dwindling their thumbs. Anyway, we'll see what happens after I drop the bombs. I'm still researching the Illuminati and gathering my facts. I'll drop the first thread this weekend.

[lavidanor]

I am also waiting.

A piece of advice for the sceptics, meanwhile: Make every mistake imaginable, but NEVER, NEVER make an eternal one. The eveidence of Christ and His authenticity as the Saviour of mankind is overwhelming--but this is only if you are willing to see.

I don't know what Dynamic will come up with and whether I' agree with his (or her?) observations will be, but where the answer in potent, yield. Sometimes we win by losing and lose by winning.

[ATLian]

A piece of advice for the sceptics, meanwhile: Make every mistake imaginable, but NEVER, NEVER make an eternal one.
Lavidanor,

doesn't your advice also apply to Christians and other believers?



The eveidence of Christ and His authenticity as the Saviour of mankind is overwhelming--but this is only if you are willing to see.

Please provide only 5 examples of this overwhelming evidence. I am very willing to "see" evidence. But it has to be evidence. Don't tell me that god exists because you woke up today and the sky was blue! That is not evidence.

[lavidanor]

doesn't your advice also apply to Christians and other believers?

Yes, the advice applies to all--including myself. I just specify sceptics because, I believe, they are playing escapism. Christians may make eternal mistakes as well, may be technically.

Please provide only 5 examples of this overwhelming evidence. I am very willing to "see" evidence. But it has to be evidence. Don't tell me that god exists because you woke up today and the sky was blue! That is not evidence

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This would entail writing an "epistle" in this forum. I am sure not many people like long postings. I have an outline of what I call "THE MISTAKE GOD NEVER MADE" which I intend to work into a book. In it I will talk about some of the "evidences". I may not post such in their entirety on this forum. When it is ready, you can have an electonic version of it--by request.

Meanwhile, if you haven't read The Case for Christ by Lee Stobel, I would be more than willing to purchase the book and ship it to you on one condition: that you read through it. I think the guy dealt with the evidence in a way that I wouldn't pretend to match.

Back to you ATLian.

[ATLian]

Meanwhile, if you haven't read The Case for Christ by Lee Stobel, I would be more than willing to purchase the book and ship it to you on one condition: that you read through it. I think the guy dealt with the evidence in a way that I wouldn't pretend to match.

Back to you ATLian

I have flipped through some of Lee Strobel's "The Case For.." books, I just don't recall which ones specifically, so I'm not sure I've read the one you mention above. But I have also read other books and websites that go through each of Stobels claims of evidence, and they shred them to bits. Perhaps you need to look at those too. At the end of the day, I'm left still waiting for evidence.

Have you read any books that argue for atheism?

[lavidanor]

Have you read any books that argue for atheism?

A friend of mine backslid and sent me a book that took away his faith. He asked me to read. If I was closed minded, I would have been afraid to read the book. But I was excited to see the arguements that would take away Laban's (not his real name) faith. He aslked me to read the book and "honestly" ponder the things therein and then get back to him.

I sat myself down and "chew" the book. To cut the long story short, I made honest observations and asked him to read my observations. He refused. I bluntly told him that he must have been desperately looking for an excuse to let go his faith for exchange with something.

The answer is yes, I read lots of atheistic materials. Some, I have to declare, are desperate dishonesty aimed at twisting things in order to fortify their unbleief.

Do I have all my questions answered? No! I probably have some of the toughest questions about God, religion and specifically about Christianity. I did not shy to ask some of these question in a title I called "When God Did Not Fulfil His Word".

ATLian, don't rely on the shreds and pieces that people subject other people's works. It is better to do your own shreding. I would suggest that you don't flip but read through the book I recommended. I don't promise you that you will get saved but you will "improve" your informed position.

The offer is still valid! Back to you ATLian.

[Dynamic]

Hey, Guys.

Ok, I sought to put up the first topic on here today but I messed around and left my journal at home that has all my stuff I've been writting at home while rushing to get to my clinical site. So tomorrow, I promise, I'll have the first topic on here, It'll be on Biblical prophecies, and how they make the bible as well as Judio-chistianity stand out. Some of the upcoming topics include...

-Daniel's prophecies (The imagie Nebuchadnezar saw vs reality and history, etc)
-NEw age movement, and spiritualism
-We'll slap some light on the Masons/Illuminati/Order of the Tools, among others
-The falacies of Evolution
-Revelation (with emphasis on the beasts spoken or therein)
-New World Order

...Just to mention but a few. So y'all look out. I'll drop the first bomb tomorrow. I'll have them kinda tie into each other so that there's a systematic flow through it all. Atlian, I'm sure this will erupt a considerable amount of objective protest from you, but hey- will be nice to have a slice of your mind.

By the way, Atlian- in another thread where you and i were having a discourse, you made a desperate attempt to prove God's imperfections. That really sent me thinking, till truth came riding on a stallion and a revelation blinged in my mind. Consider this, friend. By trying to judge God's perfections/imperfections, aren't you somehow implying that you have infinate knowledge, so much that you can determine God's wrongs and rights? And since God by definition is infinate, aren't you implying that you are infinate, because you have infinate knowledge, knowledge enough that you can justify all that's wrong and right? Can you kinda fix this dillema for me, kind sir? Thanks thee.

-See y'all around. I can't wait to see the discourse that will arise out of these. Guys- I believe I speak for all when i say we'd like to keep this thread as civil as possible, so I ask and hope most (if not all) will have some intellectual input to add to the thread, hope no one kidnaps this thread either... lol, y'all know how mashadites be. So y'all keep this civil, please. Anywho, we'll catch up. Later.

Dynamic.

[ATLian]

By trying to judge God's perfections/imperfections, aren't you somehow implying that you have infinate knowledge, so much that you can determine God's wrongs and rights?

Dynamic,

it's pretty simple.You do not need infinite knowledge to know if an act is wrong or right. You just need to have the basic knowledge about that act. We all know that raping and killing little kids is wrong. So when god has his men rape and sexually-enslave and kill young girls, or when god kills all the little infants in Sodom and Gomorah because their uncles are gay, then you have to be a blind fool not to call that evil and wrong. Since god is almighty, surely he could have sent lightning bolts that specifically targetted only the gay guys and left the yung kids alive.

God is especially evil because he has the ability to stop all suffering, but he doesn't. Not only that, he created the things that cause all of this suffering. I still have never understood why after he created the perfect world, he saw it fit to throw in the millions of pathogens that cause so much pain, suffering and death to so many people. Just read the below about a disease called EB, taken from a link Death posted above. How can anything that can create the conditions that lead to EB be good?

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There are many evils against which we are still completely powerless; there are many more which we have the ability to combat, but which most of the world still suffers from.

As an example of the former, there is a truly horrifying genetic disorder, called epidermolysis bullosa, in which a mutation disables the ordinary activity of a protein crucial to maintaining the strength and elasticity of normal skin. The result is extremely fragile skin, sometimes referred to as "butterfly" skin because it is so delicate, in which even slight pressure or friction can produce severe blisters akin to second-degree burns. The disease manifests itself from birth, so the majority of sufferers are infants and children.

Massive scarring, secondary infection, loss of teeth, fingernails and toenails, anemia, malnutrition and disfigurement are common complications of EB. In more severe forms, blistering can occur even within the body: scarring of the lungs may cause difficulty breathing, inflammation of the eye can lead to blindness, and scarring and blistering within the mouth and throat may make the sufferer unable to swallow and require a surgically implanted feeding tube. Blistered fingers and toes may fuse together as they heal, requiring surgical separation. Some sufferers require a wheelchair because walking on blistered feet is too painful. Sufferers of some forms of EB are also at greatly increased risk of a malignant variety of skin cancer called squamous cell carcinoma.

There is no cure for epidermolysis bullosa, and the only treatment is to prevent blistering and infection as much as possible through intensive daily care. Antibiotic cream must be constantly applied to broken blisters, and large areas of the sufferer's body may have to be wrapped in bandages that must be changed as often as twice a day. Severe skin damage may require skin grafts. People with less severe forms of EB can, with care, expect to live an ordinary lifespan; children with more severe forms of the disorder almost inevitably die while young.