[jasakwa]

The bible had many fulfilled prophecies and many other pending ones.

In Zechariah 8:7-8, the prophet said God would bring the Jews from exile back to their homeland (Israel) and that they would be able to live in the city of Jerusalem again. This prophecy has been fulfilled more than once. About 2600 years ago, Babylon destroyed Jerusalem and took many Jews as captives to Babylon. But many Jews later returned from Babylon. The Jews rebuilt Jerusalem but the city was destroyed about 1900 years ago by the Romans. The Romans killed more than 1 million Jews and forced many more into exile. And, the Romans banned Jews from living in Jerusalem. More than 1800 years passed before the Jews had control of Jerusalem again. They reclaimed control of their ancient capital during the Six Day War of 1967.
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Zechariah 8:7-8
This is what the Lord Almighty says: "I will save my people from the countries of the east and the west. I will bring them back to live in Jerusalem; they will be my people, and I will be faithful and righteous to them as their God."


In Isaiah 43:5-6, the prophet said that the people of Israel would return to their homeland from the east, the west, the north and the south. Isaiah lived 2700 years ago. Beginning at that time, a succession of empires conquered the land of Israel and forced many into exile. This led to a worldwide scattering of Jews. But, during the past century, millions have returned to Israel

[peter_maumau]

Indeed , God does say in Isaiah somewhere that His word will not return unto him Void..

Revelation is coming to pass, and so is the Prophetic word that has been spoken over y our life, Coz God is Like that! Upende usipende

[jasakwa]

"It isn't a matter of validating or invalidating arguments. It's about being able to see those same arguments from a different perspective. . . What I discovered was an intellectual riddle that couldn't be solved by the logical mind. It had to be solved by the intuitive heart." ~ A.S.A. Jones in The Unexpected Journey by Thom S. Rainer.


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Just read how these people converted back to christianity.

[youngben]

Originally Posted by jasakwa

The bible had many fulfilled prophecies and many other pending ones.

Zechariah 8:7-8
This is what the Lord Almighty says: "I will save my people from the countries of the east and the west. I will bring them back to live in Jerusalem; they will be my people, and I will be faithful and righteous to them as their God."


In Isaiah 43:5-6, the prophet said that the people of Israel would return to their homeland from the east, the west, the north and the south. Isaiah lived 2700 years ago. Beginning at that time, a succession of empires conquered the land of Israel and forced many into exile. This led to a worldwide scattering of Jews. But, during the past century, millions have returned to Israel

Ujinga ndio mumejaza in your head by quoting such verses. let me educate you (yes am angry at your inability to see the obvious)

The old testament is a jewish book referenced by the christians, in essence once you refer to this book you are actually a judaeo christian,

English 101 - Kenyan - from kenya, ugandan - from uganda, (now christian - of christ), Jesus was not even a christian - he came to set the record straight, I leave this to the preachers here to explain Jesus' mission.

Kibaki would now call such a statement as 'upumbavu', This was Israel's God, and when you go to specifics and talk about God taking his people to Jerusalem and then generalising that as the universal, so if you are a Christian right now and the Jerusalem you are near to is next to kimathi estate in eastlands, then are you not Gods people.

All you out there open your eyes, simple logic

[jasakwa]

Originally Posted by youngben

Ujinga ndio mumejaza in your head by quoting such verses. let me educate you (yes am angry at your inability to see the obvious)

The old testament is a jewish book referenced by the christians, in essence once you refer to this book you are actually a judaeo christian,

English 101 - Kenyan - from kenya, ugandan - from uganda, (now christian - of christ), Jesus was not even a christian - he came to set the record straight, I leave this to the preachers here to explain Jesus' mission.

Kibaki would now call such a statement as 'upumbavu', This was Israel's God, and when you go to specifics and talk about God taking his people to Jerusalem and then generalising that as the universal, so if you are a Christian right now and the Jerusalem you are near to is next to kimathi estate in eastlands, then are you not Gods people.

All you out there open your eyes, simple logic

Just because Judaism reveres the old testament doesnt mean the books are irrelevant to christians.For your information,old testament books talked about Jesus.Some old testament books like daniel,joel,zacharia,ezekiel,isaiah,psalms,talked about Jesus and christians in prophecies.Avoiding the old testament for christians will be same as being incomplete.Mainly because some prophecies are mentioned in the old testament meant to be fullfilled in the new testament.
e.g
They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture" (Ps. 22:18). The precise fulfilment of this is found in Matt. 27:35.

[rayfisher]

Also Moses prophesised Jesus,so it would be pointless to ignore the old testament.It takes the two to make the whole story complete.

[froggy]

The Old Testament has played a major role in Christianity from the very beginning of the faith. Jesus, the apostles, and the earliest converts quoted from it, alluded to it and understood the Christian faith in light of its teachings. All the books of the Old Testament except Esther, Ecclesiastes and the Song of Solomon are quoted in the New Testament, and there are about 300 quotations in all. Nota belle It was not known as the "Old Testament" at that time, for the "New Testament" did not yet exist. It was simply the "scriptures," which revealed the nature, will and actions of the one true God, Yahweh.

Quotations of the Old Testament in the New, which are very numerous, are not made according to any uniform method. When the New Testament was written, the Old was not yet divided into chapters and verses, so it is referred to by topic rather than citation. For instance, when Luke (20:37) refers to Exodus 3:6, he quotes from "Moses at the bush", i.e., the section containing the record of Moses at the bush.

In general, the New Testament writers quote from the Septuagint ("LXX") version of the Old Testament, as it was then in common use among the Jews. But it is noticeable that these quotations are not made in any uniform manner. Sometimes, e.g., the quotation does not agree literally either with the LXX. or the Hebrew Masoretic text. This occurs in about one hundred instances. Sometimes the LXX. is literally quoted (in about ninety instances), and sometimes it is corrected or altered in the quotations (in over eighty instances).

Quotations are sometimes made also directly from the Hebrew text (Matthew 4:15, 16; John 19:37; 1 Corinthians 15:54). Besides the quotations made directly, there are found numberless allusions, more or less distinct, showing that the minds of the New Testament writers were filled with the expressions and ideas as well as historical facts recorded in the Old.

[froggy]

The Name of the "Old Testament"

The word "testament" (Hebrew berîth, Greek diatheke), means "covenant." The term "old testament" thus refers to the covenant which God entered into with Abraham and the people of Israel, and"new testament" refers to the covenant the earliest Christians believed God has entered into will all believers through Christ.

This perspective can be seen in the New Testament itself. At the Last Supper, Jesus speaks of the new testament in his blood. In the second letter to the Corinthian church, the Apostle Paul declares himself a minister "of the new testament" (2 Co 3:6), and calls the covenant entered into on Mount Sinai "the old testament" (3:14). Because the old covenant was embodied in the Jewish scriptures, it was an easy step to use the term "Old Testament" to signify those scriptures.

This use of the term to specifically refer to the Jewish scriptures (as opposed to the old covenant embodied in them) seems to have occurred fairly early, especially in the East. Melito of Sardis and Clement of Alexandria called the scriptures "the books of the old testament" (ta palaia biblia and ta tes palaias diathekes biblia, respectively). Origen repeatedly speaks of the "so-called" Old Testament in reference to the scriptures. In the Latin West, Tertullian frequently called them the "vetus and novum instrumentum" and Cyprian once mentions the "scriptur veteres et nov." The Greek usage ("testament") subsequently became established among Latin-speakers as well and has been the term used by the Christian world ever since.

[fiery_preacher]

The basic Law books called TORA have clearly mentioned severally in the new testament.Jesus even summed them up into two.

[youngben]

Originally Posted by jasakwa

Just because Judaism reveres the old testament doesnt mean the books are irrelevant to christians.For your information,old testament books talked about Jesus.Some old testament books like daniel,joel,zacharia,ezekiel,isaiah,psalms,talked about Jesus and christians in prophecies.Avoiding the old testament for christians will be same as being incomplete.Mainly because some prophecies are mentioned in the old testament meant to be fullfilled in the new testament.

@Jasakwa - How is this statement different from mine, i said christians refer to the old testament, making them judaeo christians, meaning are part and parcel of the jewish faith, am I getting clearer.

Am smiling, because even as froggy and company defended the OT's relevance, I saw no comment with regards to the comment highlighted in blue, zechariah, refering to Gods children.

@froggy - I do hope you understand the scriptures you quoted and were used to write the new testaments, coz a day will come when you might have to defend your stand