[Kinene wa Karani]

I have tried to understand why human beings do evil things. The Bible says it is because of Satan, the fallen angel who conspires and plots to cause evil. The Bible places all the blame squarely at Lucifer's door-step. He/She is the one who steals, kills and destroys. On the other hand, God, Jehovah, The Holy Trinity is the creator, cause and source of all that is good, holy and desirable. From Sunday school on, I accepted this explanation without question.

It was my curiosity in historical events that brought me to my current inquiry.

After watching a Discovery Channel documentary on Queen Nefertiti, I became very interested in ancient Egypt. I got interested to know more about the 18th Dynasty, the religious revolution that Akhnaton tried to impose and more importantly, to find out why he wanted to do it and risk his throne, where he got his revolutionary and controversial ideas from and what happened to him when he failed. As I searched for answers, the mystery thickened, new questions came up and the whole inquiry became a rather intriguing one.

Some scholars suggested that Akhnaton was also the Biblical Moses; others said he was his contemporary. The fact that Sigmund Freud had suggested that Moses was Akhnaton made the topic even more captivating. So, who was this Pharaoh, who was this wife of his, Nefertiti? Where did they go after they were banished?

I had no idea where my research would take me.

My research took a sharp turn when I found information suggesting that Akhnaton was the father of the modern day Free Masonry, the Illuminati and worship of the sun deity, also known as Lucifer. So his religious revolution was aiming to convert Ancient Egypt, forcefully, to worship Lucifer and turn
away from Jupiter's deity Amun?

Some of these ideas sounded far fetched but many scholars had made considerable efforts to make water-tight argument. There was no way I was going to dismiss PHD Egyptologists, Sigmund Freud, and Immanuel Velikovsky among others without finding real critic to their thesis. I decided to keep an
open mind and go on.

It was alternative historian from Ireland Michael Tsarion who I found to be boldest and most zealous in his claims. He claimed that Ikhnaton was indeed the founder of the sun worship but not the sun as we know it but the "darker side of the sun." He claimed that the Pharaoh was expelled from Egypt because of his revolution which was unpopular amongst the priests of Jupiter's deity Amun. After the Pharaoh and his court were overthrown and expelled, they founded the Levi clan/tribe and sort to establish a New World Order. The deposed King was so angry that he vowed to rule the world by using powers obtained from the "darker side of the sun" or Lucifer. The power he had was basically black magic. He established the first secret society. The deposed King was determined to use all means necessary to regain control. He used the Hebrews (who were a class of merchants in Egypt and not a Nation) and when he had no more use for them he discarded them. He penetrated the empires and Kingdoms of this world. His plan was to infiltrate and control. Wealth was also important if he was to gain full control. A King always needs people to serve him, sustain him and look up to him.

Though deposed Pharaoh Akhnaton/Prophet Moses died or was assassinated as some scholars suggest, he left his blood-line to continue the work. In order for the plan to succeed, the blood-line had to keep the secret, worship the sun Deity, practice black magic and control resources and strategic places. Tsarion went on to say that the blood-line is today found in the house of Windsor, the American presidents, the leaders of Illuminati and rich banking families. He also claimed that the black pope, the power behind the official pope was part of this age-old family and conspiracy.

Those who claim that Pharaoh Aknaton was also Moses, they say that he was assassinated by his successor, Tutankhamun/Joshua in a move that either aimed at the return of Amun worship or just to make peace with the new rulers of Egypt who were determined to pursue the fleeing King. Young Tutankhamen was also murdered for his part in the treasonous act of assassinating Moses/Akhnaten. The whole story gets very messy and confusing if you try to merge the two accounts, Biblical and historical.

Back to the Sun deity and the plan of a New World Order. The strategic places they control are Jerusalem, The British Isle and the US. Tsarion links the deposed Pharaoh of the eighteenth dynasty and his blood-line to all the major wars and upheavals that have taken place in the world since then. He claims that the blood-line is now found in 13 families ruling Europe and America. Families like Rockefellers, Morgans, Bush, Prince of Orange/Jan Willem the father of almost all European Monarchs just to name a few.
http://www.royal.gov.uk/files/pdf/Eu...ily%20tree.pdf

Freelancer researcher Michael Tsarion of Ireland went even further to explain why Ikhnaton has acting the way he did. He traced the roots of the problem, the origins of evil back to some 50, 000 years ago when when our planet was visit by some unwelcome characters from space. In fact, it was not a visit for they got stuck here. These aliens were being chased by a very angry enemy who followed them to our solar system. They caught up with them in another planet that used to be between Mars and Jupiter which was destroyed in the war that ensued. The fleeing creatures managed to escape but the battle venue was totally destroyed and all that is left is the asteroid belt, the carcass of the planet. They came to our plant earth. Their pursuers locked them here with a ring of cosmic fire to make sure they can't leave any more. These creatures were determined to leave out of this little and boring planet.

They wanted to use the living beings here as slaves to sustain them and to create technology to break the high tech ring of fire. They manipulated human DNA and created the first god-like humans, the Serpent race. These humans soon got enough of labouring as slaves and decided to leave to another part of the planet, Atlantis. The locked alien creatures manipulated some other humans' DNA again this time making them less intelligent, Adam race. These less intelligent manipulated humans slaved without end until some residents of Atlantis came and talked the Adam race out of their ignorance after which the Alien creatures were left without servants. They tried manipulating reptiles creating dragons but it did not work well. These Aliens were the power behind the throne of Akhnaton. They are the powers behind the secret and not so secret religions on the sun-deity. They are the power accelerating technology in order to break away from their prison, NASA? That is why all the governments they control use trillions in space science while we know there is little to be gained by human beings in space. They enjoy chaos for as long as human are fighting each other, suffering, they will never find out who is behind the whole mess. The servants of these visitors are the leaders who cause wars for no reason, misery to humanity for no apparent reason and seem to benefit from chaos and wars.

These leaders from the blood-line do not care about humanity. Their Kingdom rejected them and they are still traumatised. Their master hates human guts and asks them to ritually murder humans as a revenge for disobedience. Tsarion and other alternative historians like Jordan Maxwell have suggested that the Queen of England, together with the black Pope are the current stewards of Akhnaton and ultimately the power behind sun deity, the fallen angel, Lucifer or the Morning star. Our planet's unwelcome guests have got us all working in a programme aimed at breaking their prison so that they can leave and they don't care if our planet is destroyed in the process or not.

Could this be the explanation for the origins of evil? So it is our manipulated DNA that makes us pre-disposed to doing that what is evil? It that why the Bible says we all have sinned even before we are born?

Who is Jesus then? Is he a replay of Joshua-Jeshua, Pharaoh Tutankhamun? Jesus Hebrew name was Jeshua and so is Joshua an interesting coincidence. Though the Bible gives a lot of details in a lot of things, Moses death is vague and even vaguer is Joshua's. The Bible also completely ignores naming any of the Egyptian Pharaohs apart from a single mention of Pharaoh Shishak. Any Historian who tries to compare the Hebrew Kings chronology with those of contemporary Egyptian Pharaohs encounters serious logical problems. The pieces do not fall together nicelyPERIOD! Try the Armana letters sent to Akhnaton by Kings Egypt controlled, non of the Kings fit the description of Biblical Kings. To make the matter worse, Canaan was so sparsely populated to sustain a King. Canaan was a set of small towns under Egyptian rule at best. It is clear to historians that a bulk of the Amarna letters were written in Assyri¬an-Babylonian, the International Diploma¬tic language¬ of the 14th century B.C. The Armana letters include those sent from some couple of dozen cities in Canaan. In many letters the pharaoh was being asked for help by cities that were being threatened by Habiru/(Hebrews?) or by collaborating governors of other cities. The letters are believed to have been written between 1360 and 1335 B.C.

Very fascinating history but it leaves a lot important questions unanswered.

[Kigan]

Mr. This is very good. woudl make a better script than starwars, i can give you that.

I can't comment on moses being the great grandpa of all the presidents, or of aliens investing in banking after an intergalactic fast chase,
But if i decipher your story well, the aliens being chased all around the universe are... fallen angels? Then the big bad super alien is...God?

Sounds like a case of same script different cast..

Quoting the Quran 7:12
And We created you, then We shaped you, then We said to the Angels: "Submit to Adam;" so they submitted except for Satan, he was not of those who submitted.
He said: "What has prevented you from submitting when I have ordered you?" He said: "I am far better than him, You created me from fire and created him from clay!"
He said: "Descend from it, it is not for you to be arrogant here; depart, for you are disgraced." He said: "Grant me respite until the Day they are resurrected?"
He said: "You are granted. He said: "For that which You have caused me to be misled, I will stalk for them on Your Straight Path." "Then I will come to them from between their hands, and from behind them, and from their right, and from their left; You will find most of them are unappreciative. He said: "Get out from this, you are despised and banished. As for those of them who follow you, I will fill Hell with you all!"

Then Isaiah 14:12How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! [How] art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

So they all remixes of the bible tales. Only now remixed by alternative historians and Sigmund Freud - a psychoanalyst.
BUt seriously, the thought line is as you said, provoking.

Like why in the quest for earth's wealth the aliens chose to wait a thousand years for Moses decendants to give birth to presidents so as to invest in banking instead of ruling the then uncontested oil fields that the european presidents now crave for.
...and why the first DNA configuration trick backfired and the dudes escaped - to Atlantis.

or why Moses' 'black magic' has caused more people to believe in Yahweh than it made to believe in lucifer.

Good reading, though. aliens and all. missed that stuff.

[njack mbaowa]

This forum has comedians LOL

mara its runaway donkeys, peruvian mountain babies and now ... moses being the great grandpa of all the presidents, or of aliens investing in banking after an intergalactic fast chase. (ha ha ha)

[Kinene wa Karani]

Originally Posted by njack mbaowa

This forum has comedians LOL

mara its runaway donkeys, peruvian mountain babies and now ... moses being the great grandpa of all the presidents, or of aliens investing in banking after an intergalactic fast chase. (ha ha ha)

Jack wa Mbao,
I am glad that my writings entertained you. If you wanna do some reading on your own on the topic. Check the following names:

Ahmed Osman is a historian and the author of numerous books on biblical history, focusing on the late Eighteenth Dynasty of Egypt. His works and discoveries have opened doors that were shut by convention; requiring scholars and theologians to redefine the very roots of their beliefs.

Domain of Man This site features avant garde research in the area of the Amarna Period in Egypt and its relation to Biblical Israel. This research presently offers the greatest potential for a profound improvement in our understanding of the origins of Judaism and Christianity, as well as our ability to reconcile Archaeology and the Bible.

THE MYSTERY AND CONTROVERSY OF THE STORY OF MOSES - AKHENATEN THE MYSTERY AND CONTROVERSY OF THE STORY OF MOSES: WAS MOSES AKHENATEN?

The Brave New World Order Synchromysticism: The art of finding meaningful coincidence in the seemingly mundane with mystical or esoteric significance

Tell me what you think.

[Kinene wa Karani]

Originally Posted by Kigan

Mr. This is very good. woudl make a better script than starwars, i can give you that.

Would make a good movie, I concure

I can't comment on moses being the great grandpa of all the presidents, or of aliens investing in banking after an intergalactic fast chase,
But if i decipher your story well, the aliens being chased all around the universe are... fallen angels? Then the big bad super alien is...God?
Yes, the chase was, according to sources a big one, the "fallen angles" must have committed a big one. It is also claimed that they are looked here by a certain kind of energy that NASA and other space agencies are working on. They are trying to break it with beams so strong that they need lots of money, technology and control of resorces. At the moment, they (spirits) cannot leave that sphere, they can only reach the moon
Sounds like a case of same script different cast..

Quoting the Quran 7:12
And We created you, then We shaped you, then We said to the Angels: "Submit to Adam;" so they submitted except for Satan, he was not of those who submitted.
He said: "What has prevented you from submitting when I have ordered you?" He said: "I am far better than him, You created me from fire and created him from clay!"
He said: "Descend from it, it is not for you to be arrogant here; depart, for you are disgraced." He said: "Grant me respite until the Day they are resurrected?"
He said: "You are granted. He said: "For that which You have caused me to be misled, I will stalk for them on Your Straight Path." "Then I will come to them from between their hands, and from behind them, and from their right, and from their left; You will find most of them are unappreciative. He said: "Get out from this, you are despised and banished. As for those of them who follow you, I will fill Hell with you all!"

Then Isaiah 14:12How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! [How] art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Holy books confirm these things if read carefully.So they all remixes of the bible tales. Only now remixed by alternative historians and Sigmund Freud - a psychoanalyst.
BUt seriously, the thought line is as you said, provoking.

Like why in the quest for earth's wealth the aliens chose to wait a thousand years for Moses decendants to give birth to presidents so as to invest in banking instead of ruling the then uncontested oil fields that the european presidents now crave for.
They did not wait for years. They have been working hard to develop a system that would help them break the prison they found themselves in. The Laws and the govt started by Moses was the first major step into having a system in which humanity would work for a common goal without questioning. Today they control banks, yesterday they controlled gold, trade and other forms of wealth. These creatures are lazy and disorganised. They need humans to do the work for them. That is why all their scemes take time. Read the temptations of Jesus for clues....and why the first DNA configuration trick backfired and the dudes escaped - to Atlantis.
It backfired because the humanoid were too smart and refused to work as slaves for those creatures.or why Moses' 'black magic' has caused more people to believe in Yahweh than it made to believe in lucifer.
Not true. Who do people worship really? The one God? Three gods or who? Who edited the Bible? under whose orders, appointed by who and why?Why do we have so many inconsistencies eg Kings and chronicle? Gospels? Not even the twelves apostles are named correctly? Geneologies in the gospels don't match and Pharaohs are never mentioned by name yet other useless details are, all the other Kings, Babylon, Persia, Lebanon, all yet Egypt is closer but non are mentioned. Why my friend?
Good reading, though. aliens and all. missed that stuff.

Make an argument and I will listen. Question, inquire, ask?

[Kigan]

Make an argument and I will listen. Question, inquire, ask?

Son of Karani, i hope you are not wooing me into the discussion of a supersonic alien space hunt that ends up in Cairo to inspire Prophet Moses into starategic procreation of great political leaders for future economic gain in order to fund scientific research that will free the angry trapped aliens to go back home.

I've tried to force an intellectual response pro or against, creativity has refused.

[Kinene wa Karani]

Kigan,
Peace, am not wooing you to anything. I brought this things up here for discussion. I thing that history is fascinating and alternative history electrifying. I would like someone to come and add, subtract, multiply or just discredit the thesis I posted up here. Personally, I do have questions unanswered and what I posted is one version of events. In due time I will be posting another version, Origins of Evil Part 2. Do not miss that Sir.

I like debating, exchanging ideas and so on. Am a life long learner. Some times ago, I believe it was about two years ago, a mashadite registered a username of Akhnaten, I asked his right away why he chose it. His answer is still somewhere in the archives.

Anyway, I will not waste your time any more. Do check the references I posted on this thread to one Jack fellow.

Kinene wa Karani

[njack mbaowa]

Bwana Kinene,

Your post is indeed very intriguing. It adds a whole new twist to the already confusing existing scenario. To be honest with you i'm not in a position to add anything meaningful.

You know the scientists tell us that the universe is so vast it has no beginning, no end and no center as well. I would imagine aliens might be out there somewhere.

[ndigila]

Originally Posted by Kinene wa Karani

I have tried to understand why human beings do evil things. The Bible says it is because of Satan, the fallen angel who conspires and plots to cause evil. The Bible places all the blame squarely at Lucifer's door-step. He/She is the one who steals, kills and destroys. On the other hand, God, Jehovah, The Holy Trinity is the creator, cause and source of all that is good, holy and desirable. From Sunday school on, I accepted this explanation without question.

It was my curiosity in historical events that brought me to my current inquiry.

After watching a Discovery Channel documentary on Queen Nefertiti, I became very interested in ancient Egypt. I got interested to know more about the 18th Dynasty, the religious revolution that Akhnaton tried to impose and more importantly, to find out why he wanted to do it and risk his throne, where he got his revolutionary and controversial ideas from and what happened to him when he failed. As I searched for answers, the mystery thickened, new questions came up and the whole inquiry became a rather intriguing one.

Some scholars suggested that Akhnaton was also the Biblical Moses; others said he was his contemporary. The fact that Sigmund Freud had suggested that Moses was Akhnaton made the topic even more captivating. So, who was this Pharaoh, who was this wife of his, Nefertiti? Where did they go after they were banished?

I had no idea where my research would take me.

My research took a sharp turn when I found information suggesting that Akhnaton was the father of the modern day Free Masonry, the Illuminati and worship of the sun deity, also known as Lucifer. So his religious revolution was aiming to convert Ancient Egypt, forcefully, to worship Lucifer and turn
away from Jupiter's deity Amun?

Some of these ideas sounded far fetched but many scholars had made considerable efforts to make water-tight argument. There was no way I was going to dismiss PHD Egyptologists, Sigmund Freud, and Immanuel Velikovsky among others without finding real critic to their thesis. I decided to keep an
open mind and go on.

It was alternative historian from Ireland Michael Tsarion who I found to be boldest and most zealous in his claims. He claimed that Ikhnaton was indeed the founder of the sun worship but not the sun as we know it but the "darker side of the sun." He claimed that the Pharaoh was expelled from Egypt because of his revolution which was unpopular amongst the priests of Jupiter's deity Amun. After the Pharaoh and his court were overthrown and expelled, they founded the Levi clan/tribe and sort to establish a New World Order. The deposed King was so angry that he vowed to rule the world by using powers obtained from the "darker side of the sun" or Lucifer. The power he had was basically black magic. He established the first secret society. The deposed King was determined to use all means necessary to regain control. He used the Hebrews (who were a class of merchants in Egypt and not a Nation) and when he had no more use for them he discarded them. He penetrated the empires and Kingdoms of this world. His plan was to infiltrate and control. Wealth was also important if he was to gain full control. A King always needs people to serve him, sustain him and look up to him.

Though deposed Pharaoh Akhnaton/Prophet Moses died or was assassinated as some scholars suggest, he left his blood-line to continue the work. In order for the plan to succeed, the blood-line had to keep the secret, worship the sun Deity, practice black magic and control resources and strategic places. Tsarion went on to say that the blood-line is today found in the house of Windsor, the American presidents, the leaders of Illuminati and rich banking families. He also claimed that the black pope, the power behind the official pope was part of this age-old family and conspiracy.

Those who claim that Pharaoh Aknaton was also Moses, they say that he was assassinated by his successor, Tutankhamun/Joshua in a move that either aimed at the return of Amun worship or just to make peace with the new rulers of Egypt who were determined to pursue the fleeing King. Young Tutankhamen was also murdered for his part in the treasonous act of assassinating Moses/Akhnaten. The whole story gets very messy and confusing if you try to merge the two accounts, Biblical and historical.

Back to the Sun deity and the plan of a New World Order. The strategic places they control are Jerusalem, The British Isle and the US. Tsarion links the deposed Pharaoh of the eighteenth dynasty and his blood-line to all the major wars and upheavals that have taken place in the world since then. He claims that the blood-line is now found in 13 families ruling Europe and America. Families like Rockefellers, Morgans, Bush, Prince of Orange/Jan Willem the father of almost all European Monarchs just to name a few.
http://www.royal.gov.uk/files/pdf/Eu...ily%20tree.pdf

Freelancer researcher Michael Tsarion of Ireland went even further to explain why Ikhnaton has acting the way he did. He traced the roots of the problem, the origins of evil back to some 50, 000 years ago when when our planet was visit by some unwelcome characters from space. In fact, it was not a visit for they got stuck here. These aliens were being chased by a very angry enemy who followed them to our solar system. They caught up with them in another planet that used to be between Mars and Jupiter which was destroyed in the war that ensued. The fleeing creatures managed to escape but the battle venue was totally destroyed and all that is left is the asteroid belt, the carcass of the planet. They came to our plant earth. Their pursuers locked them here with a ring of cosmic fire to make sure they can't leave any more. These creatures were determined to leave out of this little and boring planet.

They wanted to use the living beings here as slaves to sustain them and to create technology to break the high tech ring of fire. They manipulated human DNA and created the first god-like humans, the Serpent race. These humans soon got enough of labouring as slaves and decided to leave to another part of the planet, Atlantis. The locked alien creatures manipulated some other humans' DNA again this time making them less intelligent, Adam race. These less intelligent manipulated humans slaved without end until some residents of Atlantis came and talked the Adam race out of their ignorance after which the Alien creatures were left without servants. They tried manipulating reptiles creating dragons but it did not work well. These Aliens were the power behind the throne of Akhnaton. They are the powers behind the secret and not so secret religions on the sun-deity. They are the power accelerating technology in order to break away from their prison, NASA? That is why all the governments they control use trillions in space science while we know there is little to be gained by human beings in space. They enjoy chaos for as long as human are fighting each other, suffering, they will never find out who is behind the whole mess. The servants of these visitors are the leaders who cause wars for no reason, misery to humanity for no apparent reason and seem to benefit from chaos and wars.

These leaders from the blood-line do not care about humanity. Their Kingdom rejected them and they are still traumatised. Their master hates human guts and asks them to ritually murder humans as a revenge for disobedience. Tsarion and other alternative historians like Jordan Maxwell have suggested that the Queen of England, together with the black Pope are the current stewards of Akhnaton and ultimately the power behind sun deity, the fallen angel, Lucifer or the Morning star. Our planet's unwelcome guests have got us all working in a programme aimed at breaking their prison so that they can leave and they don't care if our planet is destroyed in the process or not.

Could this be the explanation for the origins of evil? So it is our manipulated DNA that makes us pre-disposed to doing that what is evil? It that why the Bible says we all have sinned even before we are born?

Who is Jesus then? Is he a replay of Joshua-Jeshua, Pharaoh Tutankhamun? Jesus Hebrew name was Jeshua and so is Joshua an interesting coincidence. Though the Bible gives a lot of details in a lot of things, Moses death is vague and even vaguer is Joshua's. The Bible also completely ignores naming any of the Egyptian Pharaohs apart from a single mention of Pharaoh Shishak. Any Historian who tries to compare the Hebrew Kings chronology with those of contemporary Egyptian Pharaohs encounters serious logical problems. The pieces do not fall together nicelyPERIOD! Try the Armana letters sent to Akhnaton by Kings Egypt controlled, non of the Kings fit the description of Biblical Kings. To make the matter worse, Canaan was so sparsely populated to sustain a King. Canaan was a set of small towns under Egyptian rule at best. It is clear to historians that a bulk of the Amarna letters were written in Assyri¬an-Babylonian, the International Diploma¬tic language¬ of the 14th century B.C. The Armana letters include those sent from some couple of dozen cities in Canaan. In many letters the pharaoh was being asked for help by cities that were being threatened by Habiru/(Hebrews?) or by collaborating governors of other cities. The letters are believed to have been written between 1360 and 1335 B.C.

Very fascinating history but it leaves a lot important questions unanswered.

That's a really interesting post. If this is true, it would give an upper hand to those people who'd rather believe that the pyramids in Egypt were built by aliens than by Africans.

[mabz]

hey Kinene!

Micheal Tsarion, Jordan Maxwell are interesting poeple. I dont know how and why but they are.....

Anyway I have a question: WHAT IS THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE YEAR 2012? and ARE YOU LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT YEAR?