[connexions]

Originally Posted by poko-hunter

This religion has too many holes in its history.A follower is told to 'have faith'. Faith in a what? Give me concrete evidence that Jesus was the chosen one and not Njoroge or Ahmed and i will extinguish my doubts.

Listen to me for a minute! I said Listen!

Jesus is said to be one with God sindio? how come he only performed miracles in Jerusalem and its environs? Mbona huyu mjamaa hakufanya hizo miujiza zake anywhere else?

The theory is that God is everywhere, right? Then Jesus should have been everywhere too while on earth. Sindio? he should have saved a dying man in china, healed the sick in South Africa etc......he was a God's son right?

My conclusion, Christianity just happened to spread coz it was the religion of a dominant culture and people and it was given a boost by the roman empire that concurred lands and converted the so called pagans.

...then they blackmail us by saying having doubts is the work of the devil and we shall burn in hell! aaaarrghhhh....... na hawa makasisi ni wale wandinya vijana kwa matako na wanakubali ushoga kanisani? I'd rather believe in the power of my ancestors on Mt. Kirinyaga

You have a big point here. The Catholic Church (not to be trusted at all) was sole custodian of bible for over 1000 and doctored it countless times to fit such dogmas as the Immaculate Conception.

[ATLian]

Good points.

Before the Christian tells us to go read and follow the Bible, first prove to us that the Bible is indeed the truth.

[KEMINOKANA]

Originally Posted by connexions

You have a big point here. The Catholic Church (not to be trusted at all) was sole custodian of bible for over 1000 and doctored it countless times to fit such dogmas as the Immaculate Conception.

Which makes me wonder why these catholics never made the bible a white man's thing(Jews are not white and according to Poko, the bible is a jews book) and most importantly, why they never doctored it to their own favor e.g day of worship, acceptance of papacy and etc. Instead they left a document that strongly condemns papacy.

Do you see how hollow you now sound?

I'll insist that yall stop reading the bible with ur bums and use heads for a change. It is one thing to agree/disagree whether the bible is the truth or not, but coming up with hollow conspiracy theories makes you look dumb....unless of course it is the biased dumb minds reading your writing.

Either way, whether you accept it or not is none of any christian's concern. You shall be sitting in hell alone.

[ATLian]

Kemi,

just out of curiosity - what do you do for a living? And does it involve having to interract and teamwork with people who have differing view-points from you?

[KEMINOKANA]

Originally Posted by ATLian

Kemi,

just out of curiosity - what do you do for a living? And does it involve having to interract and teamwork with people who have differing view-points from you?

What I do for a living? Burning charcoal.

My team members are too bright to raise stupid questions and conspiracy theories to justify their myopic believes. Differing opinions only come up for further insight, not throwing stones. Does that answer your questions?

[poko-hunter]

Originally Posted by KEMINOKANA

Which makes me wonder why these catholics never made the bible a white man's thing(Jews are not white and according to Poko, the bible is a jews book) and most importantly, why they never doctored it to their own favor e.g day of worship, acceptance of papacy and etc. Instead they left a document that strongly condemns papacy.

Do you see how hollow you now sound?

I'll insist that yall stop reading the bible with ur bums and use heads for a change. It is one thing to agree/disagree whether the bible is the truth or not, but coming up with hollow conspiracy theories makes you look dumb....unless of course it is the biased dumb minds reading your writing.

Either way, whether you accept it or not is none of any christian's concern. You shall be sitting in hell alone.

@ Kemi... i'm using my head to formulate my doubts and questions regarding christianity. kila mtu ana akili yake, let them express themselves. u seem to be a christian who has 'FAITH'. but ask yourself one question, who has ever been to hell and come back? i know catholics believe that V. Mary revealed some secrets to some 3 kids in fatima, portugal and one of them included a vision of hell.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_Fatima

but somehow i have doubts. someone could have doctored this story. why should i believe in what people somewhere on the other side of the earth believe? dont i have a mind of my own? plus with time, i have come to doubt the catholic church.

u said i seem to refer to the Bible as the Book of the Jews. i'm not. Jews have thier Torah.

if my history is right, the books that make up the bible were voted upon by some prominent individuals sometime in the 4th century. it is said this is where they decided which books make up the BIBLE. so it wasnt God who determined the books of the bible.

http://www.deism.com/biblevotes.htm

what about the so called new gospels that have been found. gospels of Mary Magdalene, Gospel of Thomas some of which claim Jesus was a normal citizen of Jerusalem and had a wife. They refer him only as TEACHER not SON OF GOD.

it somehow clicked to me that the church and the roman emperor decided the only way they can have a grab of Rome and unite its people, it was through religion and how better than to make Jesus, the SON OF GOD. no wife, no children....may i mention this is not normal for a Jewish man. Jewish tradition wants men to marry. Jesus at 30 must have had a gachungwa somewhere.

anyway, i'm not trying to make u guyz break away from christianity. i'm just trying to make u guys open your eyes a lil' bit more. i am sure God allows us to ask questions.

[connexions]

Originally Posted by KEMINOKANA

Which makes me wonder why these catholics never made the bible a white man's thing(Jews are not white and according to Poko, the bible is a jews book) and most importantly, why they never doctored it to their own favor e.g day of worship, acceptance of papacy and etc. Instead they left a document that strongly condemns papacy.

Do you see how hollow you now sound?

I'll insist that yall stop reading the bible with ur bums and use heads for a change. It is one thing to agree/disagree whether the bible is the truth or not, but coming up with hollow conspiracy theories makes you look dumb....unless of course it is the biased dumb minds reading your writing.

Either way, whether you accept it or not is none of any christian's concern. You shall be sitting in hell alone.

You piece is pure humbug! Remedy? Read widely - especially critical biblical literature! If you stick to the bible alone you are a lost man.

[Ayania]

people were forced to believe and so were you and i. we were brought up in a world of believers. we did not choose to have faith. we were forced to have faith and blackmailed with the idea of going to hell if we do not believe.[/quote]

No one can force you to believe anything, they can kill you, they can make you puke and all, but not force you to believe, that my dear you have a free will. You cannot believe it if you dont allow yourself.

Poko, I am sensing that you need some answers to your empty life, that there is something greater. I suggest that you humble yourself and look deeper into the heart of God and the Holy Spirit in you to direct you into something greater.

Good day.

[reggie_woic]

critics are eager to deny christianity and embrace "the true african religion"...what exactly were our forefathers practicing then??

[poko-hunter]

Originally Posted by reggie_woic

critics are eager to deny christianity and embrace "the true african religion"...what exactly were our forefathers practicing then??

@reggie...i have no clear understanding of what my forefathers practiced and i have a reason why i dont know. COZ I WAS BROUGHT UP IN AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE CHRISTIANITY WAS BREAKFAST,LUNCH AND DINNER.

deemed as a pagan religion, it has gradually faded away. same thing applies to you and don't deny it coz i know u know i'm right. my ancestors were BRAINWASHED and so are we.