[youngben]

@Teejay

Your wrote, What if God has nothing to do with creating humans!!

And I Ask what if he has everything to with creating Humans

You wrote, What if we are created from a neutral being and when we are born the two opposing principalities now get into a chase for our soul. Ideally if God can make you good why create a sinful being. (Destiny is an amazing thing) If you are destined to do something, can you blamed if it was evil. ATLian can elaborate further, if it was written Jesus would be betrayed, then why demonise the betrayor while he is did Gods work??? He he he, Cant wait for that answer

Who is the neutral being? If God and Satan are the opposing principalities then why is God claiming superiority and credit for work that is not his yet there a superior neutral creator? Isn’t this neutral creator to blame for our problems, because he has created us without a purpose and left us to the mercy of his other two powerful creations?

This was a what if question? and have you ever considered that the earth is a living organism (Gaia), its like a basic bacteria, it depends on itself for survival, the only external help it enjoys is the sun, and we know without it, earth would still survive bila its dependants. What if earth is our creator and can discard us if it has no need for us, like the dinosaurs, why do we ignore it as a living thing? Gaia must be alive to support life!!

God did not create a sinful being, the being rebelled. As you can see once again the question of freewill comes in- Choices to be precise. That every being created by God is not mind controlled by God but given the freewill to make choices. Now you don’t dispense warning to a person who is your Zombie, do you YB? But that warning alone is what makes us know that Adam and Eve were beings enjoying freewill. Hence the warning, “the day thou eateth thereof, ye shall surely die.”

This is what I call pure hogwash, coz I believe in forgiveness, to totally expunge what you wronged me from my system, so does GOD, The being rebelled, God sees us as different people thats why he creates us, so Adam rebelled, that sin died with him, if it did not then it died with Jesus should you choose to believe in him

YB, if you have the ability to see that future of freewilled beings, do we say that you are the one who has designed their future or they simply choose their paths, which will determine the outcome of their future- the future you can foresee.

Reread this statement yourself, I right now lack the words to phrase what i have in mind, but will soon

It is indeed explicitly inscribed somewhere in the Holy Book that someone will betray Christ.
This does not mean that it was predestined, because if you read fully the holy book, you will find Prophet Isaiah calling Christ the Prince of Peace (because he came to reconcile mankind unto the father) but in Chapter 53 the prophetic pen depicts a sad turn of events about the Prince of peace. Here Isaiah refers to him as the suffering servant. Why suffering? Christ upon his entrance into this earth proclaims that which he has brought to us and indeed is all Good when we know that once again the lame shall walk, the deaf shall hear, and the blind shall see and the imprisoned shall walk to freedom. He suddenly changes his talk after realizing that people don’t love portions of his teaching (because they slice the heart with the gusto of a battle sword). It is with this thought that he averse; I bring not peace but war! Do you say that it is God who caused this “war” or it is our unwillingness to accept the truth that pushes us to find ways to eliminate the light bearer? Our Ego, but nothing else. Once again Choice comes in. Predestination does not incorporate choices, but robotic functions out of which the blame cannot be apportioned to us, but the inventor/ or creator.

Indeed Jesus deed God’s work, and God knew that the purity, which Jesus would preach to us, would be "sinful" to our ears. For his father's work to proceed, Christ had to move on, no matter the intensity of the opposition. His persistence would only earn him more hostility from us and even his death through dubious accusations. That death is the ultimate sacrifice he made by coming to offer us his father's Grace.

[Kenyan by Marriage]

Originally Posted by isibingo

Gentiles are non jews and of European origin{Caucasians}. africans{Negroes} are not gentiles.

You're very confused!

gentile |ˈjentīl|
adjective
1 ( Gentile) not Jewish : Christianity spread from Jewish into Gentile cultures.
• (of a person) not belonging to one's own religious community.
• (in the Mormon church) non-Mormon.
2 chiefly Anthropology of, relating to, or indicating a nation or clan, esp. a gens.

[Mulosh]

Poko hunter,

You have a choice. Te Bible says : light has come into the world, but men have chosen darkness.
Good luck.

[blackpride]

"black man you are on your own" steve biko
black people cannot claim to be free when there spirituality is still corrupted.
My main beef with christians is that they promise people heaven and hell that the church knows dont exist. As a black man, am proud of my past even though the muzungu has tried all they can to make us forget our history.

AFRICA has enuff resources that can be used to make us live in "heaven" yet they are today living in HELL. The poverty, ignorance and diseases make us loose focus in life.

To my christian niggaz, WHERE IS HEAVEN? IS IT UP IN THE SKY?
I DOUBT.

[poko-hunter]

Originally Posted by blackpride

"black man you are on your own" steve biko
black people cannot claim to be free when there spirituality is still corrupted.
My main beef with christians is that they promise people heaven and hell that the church knows dont exist. As a black man, am proud of my past even though the muzungu has tried all they can to make us forget our history.

AFRICA has enuff resources that can be used to make us live in "heaven" yet they are today living in HELL. The poverty, ignorance and diseases make us loose focus in life.

To my christian niggaz, WHERE IS HEAVEN? IS IT UP IN THE SKY?
I DOUBT.

well said my friend! well said!

[klatu]

"This religion has too many holes in its history.A follower is told to 'have faith'. Faith in a what? Give me concrete evidence that Jesus was the chosen one and not Njoroge or Ahmed and i will extinguish my doubts."

Well, Some one appears to have closed all the loopholes and it might just bring down the entire history of the 'christian' church. A review from Ovi Mag:

"On the horizon appears an approaching religious [and scientific] furore so contentious, any clash of civilizations may have to wait. On one side, a manuscript titled: The Final Freedoms, against all the gravitas religious tradition can bring to bear.

The first wholly new interpretation for 2000 years of the moral teachings of Jesus the Christ is on the web. It focuses specifically on marriage and human sexuality, overturning all natural law ethics and theory. At stake is the credibility of several thousand years of religious history and moral theology and will undoubtably impact many fields of intellectual inquiry.

What at first appears an utterly preposterous challenge to the religious status quo rewards perseverance in closer examination, for it carries within its pages an idea both subtle and sublime, what the theological history of religion either ignored, were unable to imagine or dismissed as impossible. An error of presumption which could now leave 'tradition' staring into the abyss and humble the heights of scientific speculation.

If this material is confirmed and there appears to be both the means and a concerted effort to authenticate it, the greatest unresolved questions of human existence, meaning and evil may finally have been untangled. The implications defy imagination........!

Published [at the moment] only on the web as a free [1.4meg] pdf download, this new teaching has nothing whatsoever to do with any existing religious conception known to history. It is unique in every respect.

It is the first ever viable religious conception leading faith to observable consequences which can be tested and judged; a teaching able to demonstrate its own efficacy; the first ever religious claim of knowledge that meets the criteria of verifiable, evidence based truth embodied in action. As such this teaching enters the public domain as a 'religious' reality entirely new to human history.

This is pure ethics. It requires no institutional framework, no churches, no priest craft, no scholastic theological rational, no dogma or doctrine and ‘worship’ requires only conviction, faith and the necessary measure of self discipline to accomplish a new, single moral imperative and the integrity and fidelity to the new reality.

Using a synthesis of scriptural material from the Old and New Testaments, the Apocrypha , The Dead Sea Scrolls,The Nag Hammadi Library, and some of the worlds great poetry, it describes and teaches a single moral LAW, a single moral principle offering the promise of its own proof; one in which the reality of God responds to an act of perfect faith with a direct, individual intervention into the natural world; correcting human nature by a change in natural law, altering biology, consciousness and human ethical perception.

This new interpretation identifies the moral foundation of all human thought and conduct and the single Law finds expression within a new covenant of human spiritual union, a new paradigm of marriage between one man and one woman; resolving the most intractable questions and confusions of sexual indentity.

An epochal event is unfolding, the terms by which authority, knowledge, selfhood, reality and time are conceived has been altered forever.' Those able to think for themselves and imagine outside the cultural box, who are willing to learn something new, the beginnings of an intellectual and moral revolution are spreading on the web with the most potent NVDA any human being can take for peace, change and progress."

The Final Freedoms
The Final Freedoms
The Final Freedoms
Ovi Magazine : The Final Freedoms: Implications, part one by R & M Landbeck
Ovi Magazine : The Final Freedoms: Implications, part two by R & M Landbeck

[TeeGee]

I never really beleived this Christianity stuff!!! It had so many holes in it,it appeared to be some people's culture or trradition,it was just not what the world needed,its people did not seem enviable...........but I am forced to my knees to change my position! Christianity is not essentially a religion,it is about a kingdom with an everlasting government that will rule................
,,,God through HIS son is renconciling the lost human race back to himself,back to thier father....the love of a father never dies for his son,so is GOD's love towards us. I have seen the hand of GOD,I have felt HIS very presence,it is not a story told by someone.Over the years,I have seen GOD act in unthinkable and unimaginable ways.These are not BIble stories,these are real life stories........GOD acting,GOD ruling,bringing down HIS kingdom here on earth through the message of the gospel of Jesus Christ.

I invite you to tour these great works of GOD with proof on our earth today and beleive this kingdom gospel of Jesus Christ. I did not beleive before,but today,I will die for it,it is more real than the cloth I am wearing. The sites will be listed in the next few weeks,I bet you,they will blow your mind.

[poko-hunter]

enyewe hii dini ya Yesu has a lot that we cannot seem to explain BUT it has helped millions have some morals and hope in life. whenever there is tragedy, people turn to God for consolation and guidance.

Christianity and in general all religions, also act as safety nets just in case there is life after death.

its sad that religion has been also used as a means of manipulating the masses. its until you open your eyes and realize that its up to YOU to decide and not your paster, priest or parents.

about the means to reach God, it is up to you to decide what religion fits you. Ukitaka kuwa Christian, go ahead. Ukitakuwa kuwa Muslim, go ahead. Jew, go ahead. Ukiwa hutaki kuwa na dini, you have the free will.

I thank all who have contributed to this post and i respect their views on Christianity coz everyone is entitled to his/her opinion.

Twi hamwe andu aitu.

[Tripple Seven]

That is why christians are not robots. God has given them knowledge to know what is right and what is not right, and a choice to choose the path according to one's own desires. Christians dont need proofs in a lab about the existence of their creator. So pick your match and be my guest!

[jaimoh]

I think the inflow of new thots will surely remake u!