Prayers and Thanks to God BASELESS and USELESS

wajibu · (#1 (**permalink**))

Whats the purpose for prayers? To ask for divine intervention for your own selfish needs? I have heard comments like only god knows the future and your future is already predetermined. If God knows the future and guides your destiny, then why the need to pray and thank him when everything is falling according to his plan? Im not talking about praying for ridiculous things but basic things like food, shelter and saving a loved one from suffering or death. And for those who claim that they prayed and God answered and provided, then that would mean there future was not predetermined. As an Atheist, I know Im in control of my destiny and no supernatural power has anything to do with it.

Volina · (#2 (**permalink**))

Ignorant fool.

wajibu · (#3 (**permalink**))

Biatch instead of hurling insults which is unnecessary, un-lady like and very unchristian; maybe you should take this moment to give your expert opinion why you pray. You strike me as the kind of person with a lot to say about nothing important.I forgot, all you have to do is pray and you get a clean bill of health on your sins. How ridiculous !!!!!

Volina · (#4 (**permalink**))

hehehe....Loz, I am sick of u atheists. If you dont get why pple pray and u cant read the Bible and be open-minded, then u are a fool Wajibu.

Death · (#5 (**permalink**))

>hehehe....Loz, I am sick of u atheists. If you dont get why
>pple pray and u cant read the Bible and be open-minded,

What I think you meant, is be 'closed minded' or Dogmatic to be more precise, because anyone that reads the bible with an open mind, can't take that ish seriously.

However, it's more important to look past the harsh tone, and see that Wajibu really does have a valid point. When you think about it, most prayer basically boils down to blasphemy. If the bible is correct, then God has his perfect divine plan. So when you ask him in prayer for x or y, you are either:

a) asking him for something which is already in his divine plan to give to you (which makes it kinda pointless)

or

b) Asking him to change is perfect divine plan to better suite your needs (see BLASPHEMY)

ATLian · (#6 (**permalink**))

>hehehe....Loz, I am sick of u atheists. If you dont get why
>pple pray and u cant read the Bible and be open-minded, then u
>are a fool Wajibu.

Volina,

you unleash a sadly typical Christian knee-jerk reaction and insult Wajibu only because he says something nagative about a practice in your religion.

Don't you honestly see the fallacy behind asking a perfect all knowing god to change a future that is already set in stone because KNEW from Day One that that's how the future would be? Don't you see the ludicrousness behind asking god to heal your brother even though god has always known and planned it so that your brother dies tomorrow? Don't you see the dumbness in asking god to let your team win the SuperBowl even though he always knew what the score would be? Think about it open-mindedly!

The ONLY reason people pray is because it has been indoctrinated into them. If these same people gave prayer a critical unbiased look, many many more of them would stop praying.

ATLian · (#7 (**permalink**))

Wajibu,

I totally agree. Prayer is the absolute biggest waste of time and resources ever. I'll give an example to illustrate this.

If god knew from Day One gabzillions of years ago that Peter Onyango, a devout believer, would get throat cancer on Jan 1st 2007 then die an agonizing death on Feb 28th 2007, then it will happen no matter what Peter does. Even if Peter prays with his entire congregation, has special offerings, re-dedicates his life to god again, atones for all his sins, has the Pope conduct special prayers for him at the Vatican, sends out e-mail prayer requests, etc etc etc, it will all be in vain and he will die. Period. No amount of prayer will change what a perfect god decided gabzillions of years ago i.e. that Peter's fate was to die of throat cancer on 2/1/07. So why the ***c should Peter bother to pray if it won't change anything?

On the other hand if god also knew from the same Day One gabzillions of years ago that James Kipkorir, a devout atheist, would get throat cancer on Jan 1st 2007 and end up getting totally cured by chemo and radiation in March 2007, then live 55 more years and die a peaceful death in his sleep at 98 years old, then again that will happen. As a devout atheist James will not waste a single second praying to god to cure him, he won't ask for special prayers, meetings with the Pope, chain e-mails to be sent on behalf, etc, but he will still end up cured and cancer free. Why? Because (as Christian's believe) that was god's plan.

People, PRAYER CANNOT AND DOES NOT WORK! Period! The only time prayer would work is if you ask god for the exact same thing that he has always planned for you to receive. Therefore if god had planned for you to blow your exams or recover from a terrible disease, then whether or not you pray, you will still pass that exam and get cured from that disease. And of course if god hadn't planned for you to pass or get cured, then no matter how much you pray you will flunk and die from the disease!

Also, to add onto what Death wrote, if you believe that god is perfect and that the plan he has set for everyone's life is perfect, and he is all-knowing and that he has always known what will happen to you, then you will see the useless-ness of prayer. Prayer is basically a plea from mere mortal sinful man asking the almighty god to change his perfect plan so that it suits this mortal man. Basically prayer is you telling the almighty all-wise god that you don't like the option he chose for you (painful throat cancer) and that you'd like him to change his perfect mind and provide you the option which you think is the better one (curing you of throat cancer). That is total blasphemy! Anyone who cannot see the irony and ludicrousness of that is just burying his/her head in the sand.

BTW, one of my really good friends just died 2 weeks ago. I talked to his mum and all she was doing was praising god, telling me how much she loved god and how happy she was with god. Why? Because he had seen it best to ignore her numerous prayers to cure her son, and instead followed his perfect plan of taking her son to heaven before her so he can prepare things for her up there! And of course god in his perfectness let him live on earth for the perfect number of days, took him before he had a wife and kid so as not to leave a heartbroken famil behind, and took him just after he got his MBA so that he could at least have done one of his life's ambitions. Can you beleive that? Yaani for real that's exactly what she told me. I was totally speechless. That's what happens when your mind and brain are no longer owned and controlled by you.

That's why I always say it's great to be god. If someone is sick, Christians pray and pray for them to be cured. If the person gets cured, god (not the surgeons and scientists who made it possible) gets all the praise for curing him. If the person dies, again god gets praise for working in his mysterious ways and calling the sick person to heaven. WTF!

m kenya · (#8 (**permalink**))

Atlian
why wait till death to find out that you were wrong men? wont it be too late to change?

I would need theology to punch holes in ur argument, but at the moment i cant..its solid.

but why wait till u die dude?

teejay · (#9 (**permalink**))

ATlian

Can we get some biblical excerpts to support your view so that we can begin taking you and your analogies seriously. Otherwise you will end up sounding like Moslem's who say other people don't understand Islam yet they themselves have no idea of what they doing in that religion.

reggie_woic · (#10 (**permalink**))

"thank goodness that car didn't run over that little boy"
"i really hope i'm not HIV +ve"

we christians choose to direct the above to God, whatever the outcome.
you don't because you're not a christian.

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