[hussein296]

americanized what us criteria for prophethood then we can debate it.

secondly let be correct what you have to say about islam cause it seem just a random attack with no rational argument put forward(thinks he us watching to much corporate media or his closet queer)

judging from what he writes he seem to not to know which direction to go.

recently we had these similar intelectualguy called ali sina who used alot of insult against islam who was debating a simplemuslim called
yamin zakaria check there debate on here

http://www.iiop.org/Debate.php

if you are ready let start a proper intelectual debate without you insulting prophets.

cheers and chill it

their is no spark without fire

[hussein296]

haha

[ATLian]

>Can you Aways and Dady prove to us the Mohammad was indeed a
>Genuine Prophet of God?

TeeJay,

since we have people about to unleash evidence of certain people being genuine prophets of god, why don't you also join the list and prove to us that John Doe, where John Doe is any prophet in the Bible, was actually a genuine prophet of your god.

[ATLian]

I've been reading some things about atrocities that are committed to women under the name of Sharia Law and Islam, and some of them are kinda hard to believe. So let me ask some questions to Hussein and DadyMaru and other Muslims here who try to claim that Islam is completely fair towards women.

- I read that in Iran (which uses Sharia law), the minimum age one can be to receive the death penalty is 15 for males and 9 (NINE!!!) for females. My question is WHY?

- Under Islamic law, a woman who is condemned cannot be executed if she is still a virgin. That's because virgins go to heaven (I guess to wait for suicide bombers), and the laws don't want the evil women to go to heaven just because they are virgins. So if a virgin woman (mainly a young girl/lady) is to be executed, she is married off to the guards, who then has sex with her (of course the sex is rape, but since it's by a married couple, it doesn't count). After that the guard then divorces her, and she can finally be executed and she goes to hell. My question is, is this true?

After reading all this stuff, I'm just at a loss for words when someone comes here and claims that Islam is a fair and just religion which doesn't discriminate at all towards women!

[ATLian]

A couple of more things I forgot to ask.

In Islam if you kill someone intentionally, you must be executed. But if the family of the victim agrees, you can pay them Blood Money (Qisas) and the execution will be called off. Qisas for killing a woman is HALF that for killing a man. Again, in a religion that claims men and women are equal - WHY?

Finally, remember when some boarding school burnt down in Mecca a while back and 15 girls died? The main reason the girls died an agonizing death is because the watchmen intentionally refused to open the doors and gates. The reasons they refused to open the doors and let the girls flee from the fires and save their lives from the burning building were (a) the girls weren't fully covered up according to Sharia law, and (b) they didn't have male relatives to escort them, as dictated by Sharia law. Can you believe that? Of course the girls won't be fully clothed coz it's freaking 3 am in the morning and they have woken upm in an emergency. Plus of course there won't be any male relatives around because it's a freaking boarding school and some of the relatives lives hundreds of miles away in other cities. That is so jacked up. A fire starts at 3 a.m. and men can flee for their lives even when stark naked. But for women, Sharia law dictates that they must first fully clothe themselves and cover their faces, then have a male relative to escort them from the fire. WTF? Those watchmen are obviously heroes because they obeyed god's law to the letter. Yet again, how can you still claim that it's a just and righteous religion?

[teejay]

>TeeJay,
>
>since we have people about to unleash evidence of certain
>people being genuine prophets of god, why don't you also join
>the list and prove to us that John Doe, where John Doe is any
>prophet in the Bible, was actually a genuine prophet of your
>god.

AT, I do not know of any John Does in the bible. I will assume that you are addressing another person. I therefore believe that I have no case to answer.

[Aways]

@Teejay,
Though a belated reply i want to answer the question raised by teejay asking us to prove that Muhammad(P.B.U.H) was really a prophet of Allah almighty.
To start with There are many prophecies about Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H) in the revealed scriptures of old (Old and New Testaments, including those of the Zoroastrians and Hindus). The verses presented below give a small sample of references to Prophet Muhammad prophethood prophesised in different scriptures.
If you read the bible in Deuteronomy 18:18-19 God says to moses:

"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him".

Now if you go back to the Quran one of numerous examples of '...and I will put my words into his mouth...' is given below from the Qur'an; the verses begin with the word 'Say':

"Say (O Muhammad): He Is Allah the One and Only;
Allah, the Eternal Absolute;
He Begetteth Not, Nor Is He Begotten:
And There Is None like unto Him.
(Qur'an 112:1-4)
The evidence for 'he shall speak in my name':

Every Surah (Chapter) of the Qur'an, except the ninth, begins with the words:

"In The Name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful."
Let`s leave at that as far as the bible is concerned.
We have other numerous evidence from the Quran itself that prove that Muhammad(P.B.U.H) was in deed a prophet. I will illustrate a few of those verses below.

There Never Was A People Without A Warner


Qur'an 35:24
Verily We have sent thee (Muhammad) in truth as a bearer of glad tidings and as a warner: and there never was a people without a warner having lived among them (in the past).

Qur'an 16:36
For We assuredly sent amongst every People an apostle (with the Command) "Serve Allah and eshew Evil": of the people were some whom Allah guided and some on whom Error became inevitably (established). So travel through the earth and see what was the end of those who denied (the Truth).

Allah's Covenant With Prophets

Qur'an 3:81-82
Behold! Allah took the covenant of the Prophets saying: "I give you a Book and Wisdom; then comes to you an Apostle confirming what is with you; do ye believe him and render him help." Allah said: "Do ye agree and take this My Covenant as binding on you?" They said: "We agree." He said: "Then bear witness and I am with you among the witnesses." If any turn back after this they are perverted transgressors.

No Distinction Between Prophets


Qur'an 3:84-85
Say (O Muhammad): "We believe in Allah and in what has been revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes, and in (Books) given to Moses, Jesus and the Prophets from their Lord; we make no distinction between one and another among them and to Allah do we bow our will (in Islam)." If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah) never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter he will be in the ranks of those who have lost (all spiritual good).

A Mercy To The Worlds

Qur'an 21:107
And We did not send you (O Muhammad) except as a Mercy to the worlds.

No Compulsion In Religion

Qur'an 2:256
There is no compulsion in religion.
The right direction is henceforth distinct from error.
And he who rejecteth false deities and believeth in Allah hath grasped a firm handhold which will never break.
Allah is Hearer, Knower.

NOTE:
Allah: Allah is the proper name of the One True God, creator and sustainer of the universe, who does not have a partner or associate, and He did not beget nor was He begotten. The word Allah is used by the Arab Christians and Jews for The God (Eloh-im in Hebrew; 'Allaha' in Aramaic, the mother tongue of Jesus, pbuh). The word Allah does not have a plural or gender.
pbuh: Peace Be Upon Him. This expression is used for all Prophets of Allah. Abreviations derived from Arabic words are (s) and (as).

[teejay]

Aways since you have initiated a thread regarding the prophethood of Muhammed elsewhere I will not reposnd to this one but would take it to that thread.

I have also noted something. While ending you repsonse below you say and i quote... "Allah: Allah is the proper name of the ONE TRUE GOD, creator and sustainer of the universe, who does not have a PARTNER or ASSOCIATE, and He did not beget nor was He begotten. The word Allah is used by the Arab Christians and Jews for The God (Eloh-im in Hebrew; 'Allaha' in Aramaic, the mother tongue of Jesus, pbuh). The word Allah does not have a plural or gender.
pbuh: Peace Be Upon Him. This expression is used for all Prophets of Allah. Abreviations derived from Arabic words are (s) and (as)."

ONE TRUE GOD

I take it that this will mean that God is not trinity neither is He some form of Idols.

....Does not have a PARTNER or ASSOCIATE

I take it that this will mean He is only ONE being who cannot consult with anyone regarding his work, am I right, Aways

Now I want you Aways to first tell us what "intercession" means in Islam, and why there is need for it, and how does it take place and when and where does it take place?

Secondly while we know that Allah has no need for partners and associates, I want you Aways to explain to us why Allah says in

Q35:24
"Verily WE have sent thee (Muhammad) in truth as a bearer of..",

Q16:36
"For WE assuredly sent amongst every People an apostle...",

Q 21:107
"And WE did not send you (O Muhammad) except as a Mercy to the
worlds."

Kindly explain the use of the word "WE" by Allah. Isn't He supposed to be solo in his works? Why is he talking of "WE"? Who else is with Him? Who else is helping ONE TRUE GOD to send messengers?

English demands that we accept this word "WE" as that which intends to draw our attention to the fact that it is talking about Plurality.

[Volina]

sounds again like the anti-christian and islamic forces!

[ATLian]

>Kindly explain the use of the word "WE" by Allah. Isn't He
>supposed to be solo in his works? Why is he talking of "WE"?
>Who else is with Him? Who else is helping ONE TRUE GOD to send
>messengers?
>
>English demands that we accept this word "WE" as that which
>intends to draw our attention to the fact that it is talking
>about Plurality.

TeeJay,

as we await the Muslims to answer, since you brought up the subject of god and "Plurality", kindly also explain the use of the word "US" and "OUR" by Jehovah in the following verses:

Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let US make man in our image, after OUR likeness"

Genesis 3:22 "And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of US, to know good and evil"