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RE: Are there any happy Moslems? -
12-15-2006, 03:09 AM
Americanized is right. And as supported by Points and Lorenzobama, i believe it is a legit question he asks.
I will speak from common exprience, not fiction.(If i speak from hidden, secret-truths about Islam, you gonna shoot the next one u meet!)
Why have madrassa and teach kids to hate others? When u were in Sunday school, was hatred or even a sword or jihad mentioned to you?
Why stone someone (specifically women) to death for sex outside marriage? What about the man? Recall the Nigeria case? this is cruelty and even uncivilised worse than stone age mentality. i can tie this to the injustices and cruelty meted against their women as mentioned by one poster above.
Why put on explosives and kill other humans to make a point about Allah? To say the truth let me answer this one: recall the madrassas where they were taught to hate and brainwashed? thats why they later put on explosive vests and murder in the name of Allah. A Christian kid is not that stupid to kill himself, let alone others - he/she was taught life is sacred whether yours or not.
Thats what i said is common experience about shortcoming of Islam.
On a final note, why don't they let others marry their women without conditions? what are they afraid of???. In fact most women are killed if they marry christians. that is stupidity inflicted by madrassa!
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RE: Are there any happy Moslems? -
12-15-2006, 03:16 AM
Want to know more: Just google "ISLAM REVEALED" and visit the websites on the first page only to get an idea of what a monster and cult is portrayed by our Moslem bros.
It is a book by Dr.Anis Shorrosh who reveals what you dint know yet, or what you though you knew. The rest of this post i will paraphrase:
<""An Eye-opening Look at the Deadly Beliefs of Every One in six People on Earth
Thumb through any newspaper, listen to any newscast, and the terms "Islamic Al Jihad" or "Shi'ite Muslims" will inevitably be linked with bombings, hijackings, and other terrorist acts. What do you know about this religion that boasts, "The greatest joy is to kill and be killed for Allah"?
Dr Anis Shorrosh explains the driving force behind the fanatical as well as the moderate and conservative, sects of Islam in ISLAM REVEALED. Drawing on his experience as a Palestinian-born Arab Christian and years of research and study, Dr. Shorrosh lays open the inner workings of an ever-growing religion that currently numbers its members at a staggering 900 million.
Through comparisons of the Islam "bible", the Koran (Quran), with the Hebrew-Christian Bible, you will see the contradictions and inaccuracies that form the basis for the Muslims' beliefs. Also, the turbulent life of Islam's sixth-century prophet, Muhammad, is contrasted with the holy, virtuous life of Jesus.
With world tensions continuing to explode in the Middle East, you'll depend on this timely reference to help you better understand the whys and hows of Islam."">
Better still, get the book!!!
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RE: Are there any happy Moslems? -
12-15-2006, 03:28 AM
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RE: Are there any happy Moslems? -
12-16-2006, 10:24 AM
What is the meaning of the animal sacrifice Moslems practice whenever they come to the end of their "holy" days?
"The whole world, from President [George W.] Bush downwards, was engaged in trying to strike a power-sharing deal. If that power-sharing deal made Odinga number three, we'd have never accepted it." - Salim Lone
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RE: Are there any happy Moslems? -
12-22-2006, 02:25 AM
@Americanised & all who are down with ya, if u have nothing to do dont do it here.
Apart from Ilumi.....all the others who ave aired their views backing Americanised are pure haters.
No matter what u do...u can never do harm to us. U will keep on ur verbal diarrhoea but we are getting stronger n stronger.
We knw we are smaller in number but bigger in commitment, we can differ in our opinions but we can never differ in our aim.
we are a people who do not sleep under oppression and who do not
abandon our revenge until our chests have been healed of those who have committed aggression against us.
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RE: Different approaches to worship -
12-22-2006, 04:02 AM
I am sadened to hear the responses to the original question. This comming from mostly Christians. All I am reading about people's perceptions about Islam are ignorant stereotypes.
Christianity has been responsible for some of the most atrocious crimes in history. Protestants and Catholics have killed each other in the name of christ since the reformation. The crusaders that invaded the middle east in the hopes of defeating the barbarian Muslims. The genocide that resulted from the enlightenment of the native cultures of the Americas and Africa. The inquisitions that have been used to cleanse Europe and opressed scientific advancement. The Holocaust resulted from the brainwashing of ignorant Germans (ignorance similar to what is being displayed here) earlier in the previous century. If you want more, let me know and I'll write you a book about the evils of Christianity.
Now don't get me wrong, I am a Christian myself and I know that everything I have mentioned is not true Christianity. It is the result of fear, ignorance, and greed. Any of the perpetrators of the crimes I mentioned are not acting with the love and patience of Christ. In the same way, a true understanding of Islam would allow you to descern the true Islam that considers Jews and Christians "people of the book" with an incomplete revelation of God, much like Christians believe that Jesus completes the prophecies of Judaism. This in sharp contrast to the Islam we see in modern times that calls for all the atrocities mentioned before. This Islam is no different than the twisted Christianity that we saw in the past and still exists today. Don't judge an entire faith by the actions of a small group of ignorant individuals. How would you feel if someone used Hitler, or Hernan Cortez (Conquerer of the Aztecs) to understand the fundamentals of Christianity.
I spent 7 months in Iraq. I was woken by the early morning calls to prayer and I was kept awake by the congregants singing their prayers. I remember thinking that the singing closely resembled the greggorian chants of old christianity, and if you attend any kind of traditional service of manu christian denominations you will encounter the same "unhappy" chanting that they use to glorify God. I do not think Islam is the right religion nor do I condone the actions of the radicals that have given it such a bad name, but as a Christian I also cannot condone the ignorant comments and ideas being disseminated here. As Christian, and intelligent people, you need to get off your high horse, educate yourself, and stop being part of the hatred and ignorance that leads to the evil you so adamantly despise.
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RE: Are there any happy Moslems? -
12-22-2006, 09:17 AM
>@Americanised & all who are down with ya, if u have nothing
>to do dont do it here.
>
>Apart from Ilumi.....all the others who ave aired their views
>backing Americanised are pure haters.
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>No matter what u do...u can never do harm to us. U will keep
>on ur verbal diarrhoea but we are getting stronger n
>stronger.
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>We knw we are smaller in number but bigger in commitment, we
>can differ in our opinions but we can never differ in our
>aim.
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>we are a people who do not sleep under oppression and who do
>not
>abandon our revenge until our chests have been healed of those
>who have committed aggression against us.
It took a while, but you finally admitted to being a terrorist! I knew it! These f*cking Moslems should be exterminated like roaches! Bush should just drop a couple nuclear bombs in the Middle East and we will all be the better for it!
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RE: Are there any happy Moslems? -
12-22-2006, 12:11 PM
>It took a while, but you finally admitted to being a
>terrorist! I knew it! These f*cking Moslems should be
>exterminated like roaches! Bush should just drop a couple
>nuclear bombs in the Middle East and we will all be the better
>for it!
Americanized,
you're a totally brainwashed right-winger who probably wishes they were born as a white protestant American. I honestly do not understand how on one side you can keep fronting your academic achievements, then on the other hand you write stuff that should be reserved for the uneducated.
Let me deconstruct your above nonsense.
You casually say that (your beloved) Bush should nuke the Middle East and exterminate the "f*cking Moslems" who live there like roaches. Basically wipe out a population of 220 MILLION "f*cking Moslems", 35% (80 MILLION) of who are "f*cking Moslem" children 15-years and younger. That would be a genocide that would be more than all the people ever killed in all the wars that have occurred in the world COMBINED! But hey, the "f*cking Moslems" would no longer exist, and the US would be free to harvest oil at cents on the barrel forever. The irony is, you casually mention how you want to see a quarter a BILLION "f*cking Moslems" exterminated - then you have the audacity to call Dadymaru a terrorist?
You need to stop drinking the Republican kool aid like that.
I'm very against the notion that only the West can tell us who ARE and who AREN'T terrorists. If you ask most Africans who the greatest freedom fighter we ever had was, most would name Nelson Mandela. The US and the UK labeled him a terrorist. Again, I'm sure you'd have been on their side, calling for him to be jailed forever. Just like I KNOW that if we were back in the 50's, you'd be among those miros who sell out other miros and work "hand-in-hand" with the White colonialists.
Do you know what the single biggest terrorist attack in the history of Israel was? Of course you wouldn't, since it's not taught in those right-wing programs you watch. The King David Hotel in Jerusalem was bombed in 1946, resulting in the deaths of 91 people, and injuries to hundreds of others. The ringleader was Menachim Begin (who later became the PM of Israel) and others who all became prominent Israelis. Of course if you interview the US or Israelis, they'll say that that was just freedom fighters doing their thing. If a Palestinian did that right now, it would be an act of vile and wanton terrorism.
I'm sure you know about the Iran - Contra affair. A mad dictator called Anastatio Somoza and his Contra party led Nicaragua for years, and they had Washington's backing all the way despite their atrocities. The Sandinistas let a revolution and overthrew the Contras (of course Somoza fled to the US for refuge) and were democratically elected in the ensuing elections. The Contras then became US supported rebels trying to overthrow the democratically elected Sandinista government. Through US support, the Contras bombed the infrastructure, killed and maimed thousands of people, and made life a living hell in Nicaragua. Of course the US doesn't think what the Contras were doing is terrorism, but to any other rational person, of course it was major terrorism.
When the USSR invaded Afghanistan, the US spent BILLIONS of dollars arming and training the Mujahideens. Then the Mujahideens (who BTW included the Taliban) were then called "Freedom Fighters", and the US was pursuing a noble cause. When the USA invaded Iraq, Syria and Iran did the exact same thing the US did in Afghanistan - they spent millions training the Iraqis to fight off the Americans. Of course now these Iraqis are called "insurgents" and their financiers are called "terrorists". Exact same scenario (super-power invades a Muslim country for their own selfish goals) but different definitions for players undertaking the exact same roles! Talk of freaking hypocrisy.
I hope you get my point. When only one group is allowed to determine who is to be defined as a terrorist that just cannot be correct. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter! The US just uses these definitions many times to allow it to pursue it's own selfish goals.
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RE: Are there any happy Moslems? -
12-22-2006, 04:47 PM
I am saddened to hear the responses to the original question, this coming from mostly Christians. All I am reading about people's perceptions about Islam are ignorant stereotypes.
Christianity has been responsible for some of the most atrocious crimes in history. Protestants and Catholics have killed each other in the name of Christ since the reformation. The crusaders that invaded the Middle East in the hopes of defeating the barbarian Muslims. The genocide that resulted from the enlightenment of the native cultures of the Americas and Africa. The inquisitions that have been used to cleanse Europe and oppressed scientific advancement. The Holocaust resulted from the brainwashing of ignorant Germans (ignorance similar to what is being displayed here) earlier in the previous century. If you want more, let me know and I'll write you a book about the evils of Christianity.
Now don't get me wrong, I am a Christian myself and I know that everything I have mentioned is not true Christianity. It is the result of fear, ignorance, and greed. Any of the perpetrators of the crimes I mentioned are not acting with the love and patience of Christ. In the same way, a true understanding of Islam would allow you to discern the true Islam that considers Jews and Christians "people of the book" with an incomplete revelation of God, much like Christians believe that Jesus completes the prophecies of Judaism. This in sharp contrast to the Islam we see in modern times that calls for all the atrocities mentioned before. This Islam is no different than the twisted Christianity that we saw in the past and still exists today. Don't judge an entire faith by the actions of a small group of ignorant individuals. How would you feel if someone used Hitler, or Hernan Cortez (Conqueror of the Aztecs) to understand the fundamentals of Christianity.
I spent 7 months in Iraq. I was woken by the early morning calls to prayer and I was kept awake by the congregants singing their prayers. I remember thinking that the singing closely resembled the Gregorian chants of old Christianity, and if you attend any kind of traditional service of many Christian denominations you will encounter the same "unhappy" chanting that they use to glorify God. I do not think Islam is the right religion nor do I condone the actions of the radicals that have given it such a bad name, but as a Christian I also cannot condone the ignorant comments and ideas being disseminated here. As Christian, and intelligent people, you need to get off your high horse, educate yourself, and stop being part of the hatred and ignorance that leads to the evil you so adamantly despise.
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RE: Are there happy Moslems? -
12-23-2006, 04:12 AM
@Shirleen
I must stay u r hipocrisy wont lead u anywhere.
If that wot u feel abt ur muslims frends y dont u tell them right on their face, u cpowardly wait n write trash here. Grow -up
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