[Volina]

Dearth is a used up man:)

[chemical]

>>read the news...its everywhere around you...children having
>>children...children stabbing and raping...men raping
>>babies...men raping men...need more examples?
>
>Please inform me as to which point in history, these things
>did not occur in society. There have always and probably will
>always be sexual deviants and violent people in society.

this is actually incorrect...not in all models of society, but this behaviour persists in the current models we have chosen...even christianity has moved to the more tolerant "new testament"...

>The difference between today's society, and the past societies
>that you seem to be using as a model for 'well structured and
>moral' is that in modern day society, there is Zero tolerance
>for these acts, while in the past, society embraced these acts
>(mothers even giving up their 9 year old daughters for
>marriage to 50+ year old men).

mothers committed their daughters into what they understood and believed would provide a structured life for the subsequent children...which is the point I'm arguing here....


>>I suppose such occur in a well ordered and structured
>>society....
>
>Yes, they would. As I've pointed out above, there will always
>be deviants. But the difference between a well ordered and
>structural society and on that is not, is that in the case of
>the former, there is zero tolerance for such acts.
>
>Look, nobody said society is perfect, but there is no doubt,
>that modern day society has made leaps and bounds in the area
>of morality. Never before have the basic rights of every
>member of a given society been as protected as they are today,
>doing away with abominations such as slavery and open male
>chauvinism, an active effort to alleviate poverty etc. Though
>I'll be the first to admit that we're far from perfect, we're
>definitely a marked improvement from the past! It is
>constantly and steadily improving,

is that so? is that why words like "pandemic" are in common everyday use today?
you know, to argue structure in society would encompass how mankind sits upon this world...how sustainable is that society? what effect does it have on the environment that supports it?...and that would veer away from the question of marriage that the poster has posed....

[Death]

>this is actually incorrect...not in all models of society, but
>this behaviour persists in the current models we have
>chosen...even christianity has moved to the more tolerant "new
>testament"...

Are you saying that in the history of this world, there has existed a society X that was completely void of sexual deviants and violent people? As I asked earlier, please either inform me of which society this is, or retract that claim.

>mothers committed their daughters into what they understood
>and believed would provide a structured life for the
>subsequent children...which is the point I'm arguing here....

I'm sorry, I must have misunderstood the statement above. Are you saying that society X is a more ethical society because mothers are marrying of their 9 year old daughters to 50 year old men in the name of providing them (and their future children) with a better life? WTF?? You can't be serious.

>is that so? is that why words like "pandemic" are in common
>everyday use today?
> you know, to argue structure in society would encompass how
>mankind sits upon this world...how sustainable is that
>society? what effect does it have on the environment that
>supports it?...and that would veer away from the question of
>marriage that the poster has posed....

Honestly I have no idea what you're saying here, or how it relates to your claim that society is breaking down.

[chotadipo]

>This is for men only and women who are not emotional; is
>marriage really important and beneficial? Marriage is an
>outdated institution based on man's insecurity and need to
>control and own women. On the flip side, marriage is mostly
>for insecure women who feel a piece of paper provides
>security.

Marriage is an essential part of society today as it was a long time ago. It offers a sense of security and continuty that is necessary for a society to function and advance in all spheres of life. It brings normality where intution and learning processes replace animalistic instincts that can wreak a society. That is why only man has the ability to influence his environment, something no other animal has.

In this day and age where the vagina is readily
>available and traditional values have been eroded what the use
>for marriage? Marriage serves only one purpose, forming a
>secure home for children.

There is no readily available vagina today as it was long time ago. Lets take an example of the Maasai. Long ago their society had age groups where any man of that age group can sleep with his peer's spouses by planting a spear. Nowadays getting free vagina is out of question for them. Infact you almost always pay for it whether it comes from your GF, spouse, or your local 5 dollar hooker down the alley bar.


Even that is easier said than done,
>the reality is very few couples uphold the principle expected
>of marriage. I work with a lot of men, I travel to Kenya a
>lot and in my opinion most men are finding solace outside
>marriage.

This is hogwash. You are confusing sex with marriage. While I will not dispute the fact that the men you associate with seek sexual pleasures out of marriage and will go further to seek advise and cry (picture Americanised in a foetal position with his favourite song in the background) in the laps of other women, given the choice, they would rather age with their spouses. Marriage is about friendship, it is about being together fr teh sake of being together. It is about the little things that we ignore, not the big ones like contracts and MoU (picture Milanya signing one on submission at the AGs office with hubby)

Chances are if you’re married your husband is
>cheating on you and stop with that nonsense two can play that
>game because it just makes my case for me. Although men like
>to sow their wild oats, they soon grow tired and long to
>settle down with a single partner. But why marry, why not
>cohabitate and if does not work out just leave.

What is the difference between cohabiting and marriage? You are trying to define what cannot be defined. Some call marriage a marriage if it comes with a catholic wedding. It does not matter. Men although wrongly believed to have this urge to sow their seeds, I beg to differ. Men like sex for sex. If it comes with no hassles, the better. I'm trying to picture Keminokana working hard to sow his wold oats with Sanaa but I can't. He will have sex given the opportunity. if it comes with no baby, he will enjoy it more.

Women can no
>longer effectively entice men with the promise of sex as an
>incentive for men to commit to them anymore. They lost that
>power long time ago because someone somewhere will be willing
>to give it up.

This is a lie. Sex is still king, and that someone somewhere you are talking about could be the ugly girl who in class three who we used to tease her that she should have been born a man. THat man of yours will not run to her just because she is available. Worse she can be a wall when it comes to distributing her cherry, since she knows better.

In developed countries, you better dread the
>consequence of divorce without a prenuptial agreement.
>Personally, the only need for a woman is a place to deposit my
>sperm.

There are sperm banks for that, that is if you don't clog the bathroom drain with cum each morning. Women don't need your sperm unless she plans to conceive. Given the choice I believe almost all women will vote for air sperms during sex instead of the liquid type that dirties sheets.

I basically handle all those traditional women roles
>without a problem. If I need assistance I pay a cleaning
>service to take care of my place. I know I will get response
>like; I don’t want to grow old alone. There is no guarantee
>that marriage will alleviate the problems associated with old
>age in fact, a young ass in your bed will guarantee more
>happiness.
>
The woman would dutifully clean for you, not because it is a must, but because in the marriage institution in most societies, it is an accepted fact that women are better at details and that is why she will resign to washing the dishes and keeping the house clean, but expect you to hew the wood and make hay before the winter. I hope you are not attributing the wellbeign of you and your children to miracles, but to the hard workign and loving wife who keeps all of you in tip top shape with hot breakfast in the morning and fabulous sex at night.

>Special wishes to Atlian, Safina, Death,sajtas and the rest of
>the gang. I’m off to Vegas to commit every sin imaginable;
>fornication, adultery, drinking and visiting brothels. Kindly,
>can you pray for me to make it back alive and well? I was
>wrong only prayers can save me this time.
>

Prayers do not save anybody. How many times d you need to be reminded of this?

[milanya]

I believe marriage is important to men. Most don't want to admit it but it is.

The problem is, a lot of men let the penis do the thinking, and the penis is ther boss. They seek to satisfy the penis and not the man as a whole.

That's when marriage looks unimportant.

There a lot of bitter people in mashada, but for those of us that know the fulfillment of being in a happy, long-term relationship, it is unlike any other feeling in this world. It's like family, but unlike family where you get stuck with whomever shares your blood, in marriage you get to pick your family.

There's problems in marriage, but in a good marriage the good outweighs the trouble. Plus, people make it seem like there is no trouble outside marriage, that casual, one-night stands are just a series in the utopia of being a bachelor. Nobody figures what happens when the sex fades, the beauty fades and the consequences of your behavior set in.

[KEMINOKANA]

Am a bit surprised chotadipo came in defence of marriage this time around.

Me sowing my wild oats carelessly? Naaaaah! Glad you find it unimaginable.

My take is this: some of these guys are sexually starved that all they can think about is sex sex sex. I mean, seriously, one has to be totally hopeless to see everything in life as Sex Vs X,Y,Z. But we were all brought up differently and some of us, the things that give us joy are the ones that give stress to others.

As some of you have correctly articulated, marriage is a very very important unit in society. It breaks down and so does society. It is thru families that moral values are anchored and in as much immorality is still abound, it would be a fallacy to negate marriage's contribution to the morality of society.

Most criminals have a history of poor upbringing. Research has shown over and over that married couples are financially, economically, socially and emotionally better off than single parent families. So am not sure what guys are arguing about. When I see some Keminokana juniors scrawling, crying and playing around my house, I'll be a very happy man....granted the mom is there to share the joy with me. But then that's me and that's how I see life.

[wajibu]

KEMINOKANA which statistics are you quoting? Latest statistics, Men tend to be far better off financially after the divorce and marriage couples are more in debt after marriage. This is because they have this false notion of financial stability after the combined income. They go out buying houses, cars, furniture and bearing kids pushing them further in debt.

[KEMINOKANA]

Wajibu,

I cant lay my hands on the articles themselves but here is some points from the US department of healt

Benefits of Healthy Marriages

For Children and Youth
Researchers have found many benefits for children and youth who are raised by parents in healthy marriages, compared to unhealthy marriages, including the following:

More likely to attend college
More likely to succeed academically
Physically healthier
Emotionally healthier
Less likely to attempt or commit suicide
Demonstrate less behavioral problems in school
Less likely to be a victim of physical or sexual abuse
Less likely to abuse drugs or alcohol
Less likely to commit delinquent behaviors
Have a better relationship with their mothers and fathers
Decreases their chances of divorcing when they get married
Less likely to become pregnant as a teenager, or impregnate someone.
Less likely to be sexually active as teenagers
Less likely to contract STD's
Less likely to be raised in poverty
For Women
Researchers have found many benefits for women who are in healthy marriages, compared to unhealthy marriages, including the following:

More satisfying relationship
Emotionally healthier
Wealthier
Less likely to be victims of domestic violence, sexual assault, or other violent crimes
Less likely to attempt or commit suicide
Decrease risk of drug and alcohol abuse
Less likely to contract STD's
Less likely to remain or end up in poverty
Have better relationships with their children
Physically healthier

For Men
Researchers have found many benefits for men who are in healthy marriages, compared to unhealthy marriages, including the following:

Live longer
Physically healthier
Wealthier
Increase in the stability of employment
Higher wages
Emotionally healthier
Decrease risk of drug and alcohol abuse
Have better relationships with their children
More satisfying sexual relationship
Less likely to commit violent crimes
Less likely to contract STD's
Less likely to attempt or commit suicide

For Communities
Researchers have found many benefits for communities when they have a higher percentage of couples in healthy marriages, compared to unhealthy marriages, including the following:

Higher rates of physically healthy citizens
Higher rates of emotionally healthy citizens
Higher rates of educated citizens
Lower domestic violence rates
Lower crime statistics
Lower teen age pregnancy rates
Lower rates of juvenile delinquency
Higher rates of home ownership
Lower rates of migration
Higher property values
Decreased need for social services

http://www.acf.hhs.gov/healthymarria...t/mission.html

[wajibu]

You are actually making the case for me; I mentioned marriage is only good for kids. Marriage for a man smells disaster. You wonder why the life of married men is shorter than women. You have to live by the fact that you will be tied to your desk to feed the crumb munchers.

[Songa Songa]

Mariage is important to men. Real men keep their vows, boys collect toys. Those that grew up with fathers who were dedicated to their families appreciate the role model of a good father and want to keep that tradition going. Think of your mother and treat the woman in your life like you would expect your father to treat your mother. A good marriage is so much more than s.e.x. Although children do come into the picture in most mariages, they are not the main objective. Nothing fulfils a man more than a woman who perfectly compliments your being (a soul mate). When you find the right woman for you, love finds an expression in marriage. That is why a man should not rush into marriage unless he is sure its real and for life. The strength of human societies can be measured with the regard people have for marriage. Intimacy is a basic human need and the relationship between a man and his wife is the beginning and fulfilment of these most important need.

Songa Songa tupendane!