Jesus Crucifixion

wajibu · (#1 (**permalink**))

Instead of condemning and rebuking Pontius Pilate for presiding over the trial of Jesus and ordering his crucifixion we should actually praise him for his actions. In fact he should have acted sooner and would have liberated the world from quagmire of multitude problems. Due to the indebtedness to society, Jesus should be compelled to apologize. Thats not practical I know; but his teachings should be held responsible. Before the Christians jump on my neck, let me explain myself. Due to his teachings, a lot of people have lost there lives. Im yet to see any lives saved by his teachings. All throughout history, bloodshed has been a result of Christianity campaigns. More evil has been committed in the name of Christianity and more deaths than any diseases or war.
Christianity is more like communism; it is only practical in theory. The purpose of Christianity should be to bring peace, when war and hatred replace love in the name of religion, it should really make the thinking mind wonder. It is obvious Christianity has failed, religion has failed; Was God not aware of the deaths his son would cause by bringing him here. Or was that part of his master plan. Pontius Pilate why did you not order your soldiers to take him out the moment he went to see John the Baptist? His lunacy was evident by then. These are errors that should have been rectified long time ago. Can you imagine a world without religion..

petermaumau · (#2 (**permalink**))

I have nothing personally against Pointus Pilate..Can you blame him for doing that for which He was meant to do.. Infact even Jesus told him that the one who made him do what he did was the one with the greater Sin... Infact but for pilate in the plot, Jesus would not have died, He would not be resurrected and yes maybe not even glrified to sit on the right hand of God (As He does now until his enemies be put under his footstool as God promised ).
And God forbid salvation by faith had not come, I would be seeking salvation by works ,an utter impossibility if you just look at the books of law....

I always wonder how anyone who does not have the spirit of God makes it in this life, How can you control a body bent on its own destruction by its lusts...

teejay · (#3 (**permalink**))

>I always wonder how anyone who does not have the spirit of God
>makes it in this life, How can you control a body bent on its
>own destruction by its lusts...

Peter, it is not possible and that is why all those people who are not walking according to the guidance of the Spirit of God, rejcet the very message that will give them the true peace.

If Christ's message was adhered to letter, then Humanity would be enjoying its fellowship with God. Wajibu the supreme judge has passed his judgment that Christianity is a failure. That much we are in agreement. If it is just a mere religion then it has failed, but if it is about following Christ wholly then Christianity has far more better things than any thing else a person could dream of in tis world.

Wajibu get yourself out of the religous world and follow Christ; only he and not religion will save you.

reggie_woic · (#4 (**permalink**))

"Due to his teachings, a lot of people have lost there lives"

exactly what about the teachings has brought death?

wajibu · (#5 (**permalink**))

Im the son of God
I am God
Only through me will you see the Heaven
Become fishers of men And Jesus saith unto them, Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men." (Matthew 4:19)
And so on and so on.

Humans are by nature evil, wicked, born into sin and cant be controlled. God handed his son to this overzealous Christians in there quest to spread the word, enslaved, killed and even wiped civilizations. I dont see how this is saving the world from sin. As noted God is an angry judge, ready to hand down swift punishment for the smallest infraction of His Laws. If there was no Jesus, imagine the lives that would have been saved.

ATLian · (#6 (**permalink**))

Wajibu,

I concur. In my opinion, after Christ, the greatest heroes of Christianity should be those who enabled Christ to be crucified. Think about this - if Judas didn't betray Christ, then Christ might have escaped. If the crowd didn't demand for Barabas to be freed instead of Christ, then again Christ would have been released. But Judas betrayed him, Barabas was freed instead of Christ, and Pontius Pilate had him crucified, and all these events enabled god's master plan to save human beings from sin to succeed. If any of the players involved had become "good guys" and not done their thing, then Jesus would have walked away, maybe died peacefully in his sleep of old age at 91, and there would be no salvation as we know it. I think Judas should be a Christian hero because no one man is more responsible than him for Christ dying on the cross for us, ama?

ATLian · (#7 (**permalink**))

>I have nothing personally against Pointus Pilate..Can you
>blame him for doing that for which He was meant to do..

PeterMauMau,

since he was doing "that for which He was meant to do", I think we can both agree that Pontius Pilate did not have free will. He was created to be the leader who would condem Christ. There's no way he'd have drunk himself to death at 18. he had to live to be whatever age he was when he condemned Christ. Ama how can you argue he had free will?

>I always wonder how anyone who does not have the spirit of God
>makes it in this life, How can you control a body bent on its
>own destruction by its lusts...

Are you implying that the reason you don't inject yourself with heroin or smoke crack cocaine is because the spirit of god inside you stops you? Or the reason you wouldn't have unprotected sex with a prostitute is coz the spirit won't let you? Man, I guess we're totally different. The reason I don't do any of those things is simple basic intelligence. I know the negative impact they can have on my life, and I don't want to blow everything I've worked so hard for just for some drugs or cheap sex. I do not need the spirit of anybody to tell me that, I'm smart enough to realize it by myself. BTW MOST PEOPLE in the world realize that too, and since most people in the world aren't Christian (meaning they don't have god's spirit in them), I think that renders your argument mute!

teejay · (#8 (**permalink**))

>Humans are by nature evil, wicked, born into sin and cant be
>controlled. God handed his son to this overzealous Christians
>in there quest to spread the word, enslaved, killed and even
>wiped civilizations. I dont see how this is saving the world
>from sin. As noted God is an angry judge, ready to hand down
>swift punishment for the smallest infraction of His Laws. If
>there was no Jesus, imagine the lives that would have been
>saved.

Wajibu, pleeease! Halt for A while and think. Think like the person you ought/and was meant to be(in the image of God),and not like the person you are right now. Think before you put forth your bedimmed utterences.

I asked someone afew moments ago this question and now I am going to ask you too the same question again?

Who is a Christian?

teejay · (#9 (**permalink**))

>I guess we're totally different. The reason I don't
>do any of those things is simple basic intelligence. I know
>the negative impact they can have on my life, and I don't want
>to blow everything I've worked so hard for just for some drugs
>or cheap sex. I do not need the spirit of anybody to tell me
>that, I'm smart enough to realize it by myself. BTW MOST
>PEOPLE in the world realize that too, and since most people in
>the world aren't Christian (meaning they don't have god's
>spirit in them), I think that renders your argument mute!

It is written, "For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil." Gen 3:5

Is it any wonder that ATlian is a god? perhaps the reason for his being different?

ATLian · (#10 (**permalink**))

>It is written, "For God doth know that in the day ye eat
>thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as
>gods, knowing good and evil." Gen 3:5
>
>Is it any wonder that ATlian is a god? perhaps the reason for
>his being different?

TeeJay,

I don't understand the point of the verse you pasted above, especially since it was uttered by Satan disguised as a serpent, therefore we know it's a lie. Maybe those last days you mentioned are finally here, seeing that you've started using the Bible to quote Satan...