[wajibu]

>>Wajibu,

I concur. In my opinion, after Christ, the greatest heroes of Christianity should be those who enabled Christ to be crucified. Think about this - if Judas didn't betray Christ, then Christ might have escaped. If the crowd didn't demand for Barabas to be freed instead of Christ, then again Christ would have been released. But Judas betrayed him, Barabas was freed instead of Christ, and Pontius Pilate had him crucified, and all these events enabled god's master plan to save human beings from sin to succeed. If any of the players involved had become "good guys" and not done their thing, then Jesus would have walked away, maybe died peacefully in his sleep of old age at 91, and there would be no salvation as we know it. I think Judas should be a Christian hero because no one man is more responsible than him for Christ dying on the cross for us, ama?<<

I’m in total agreement with you; if those events did not take place there would be no easter. Christmas as we know it would not be there and no places to worship. The true Heroes are Judas and Pontius Pilate and the church should find a place to sanctify them.

[Zelda]

>I’m in total agreement with you; if those events did not take
>place there would be no easter. Christmas as we know it would
>not be there and no places to worship. The true Heroes are
>Judas and Pontius Pilate and the church should find a place to
>sanctify them.

lol@ wajibu & ATLian: y'all are pushing it. eti the church should find a place to sanctify them.

i agree that they were simply playing their roles in a larger cosmological plan, and they played those roles well. but let's not push it with the heroism. all pilate did was wash his hands. as for judas, all he did was pocket some coins. no real exertions on their part. if we're going to recognize "heroes", then let's be gender sensitive and remember the woman who bore the stigma of pre-marital conception in a conservative society, carried jesus in her womb for 9 months, experienced labour pains, and then 30 or so years later, watched her son being wrenched away from her.

[Zelda]

>Can you imagine a world without religion…..

i most certainly can try:
...in my vision, i see a world not much different from the one we're living in today. hatred and prejudices... racism, mccarthyism, tribalism

[teejay]

>>Can you imagine a world without religion…..
>
>i most certainly can try:
>...in my vision, i see a world not much different from the one
>we're living in today. hatred and prejudices... racism,
>mccarthyism, tribalism

Thats because there is no difference between religion and this world. Religions belong to this world. God does not have a religion. It is a creation of man.What man creates is always corrupted with self and that is why there will always imperfection with what man creates.

[ToothB]

Teejay,

The most outstanding mark of true religion (Christians) is that they have real love among themselves. John 13:34, 35 reads this way "I am giving YOU a new commandment, that YOU love one another; just as I have loved YOU, that YOU also love one another. By this all will know that YOU are my disciples, if YOU have love among yourselves.”
True followers of Christ do not think that they are better than people of other races or skin color. Neither do they hate people from other countries. Acts 10:34, 35 reads this way, " At this Peter opened his mouth and said: “For a certainty I perceive that God is not partial, but in every nation the man that fears him and works righteousness is acceptable to him." So true christians do not share in wars and violence. True Christians treat one another as brothers and sisters."If anyone makes the statement: “I love God,” and yet is hating his brother, he is a liar. For he who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot be loving God, whom he has not seen.And this commandment we have from him, that the one who loves God should be loving his brother also—1 John 4:20, 21.So my friend,its clear that there is some form of True Religion/Christianity.

[chotadipo]

ToothB,

Why are you be so naive?

[ATLian]

>if we're going to recognize "heroes",
>then let's be gender sensitive and remember the woman who bore
>the stigma of pre-marital conception in a conservative
>society, carried jesus in her womb for 9 months, experienced
>labour pains, and then 30 or so years later, watched her son
>being wrenched away from her.

Zelda,

in Christianity, the "Virgin" Mary is already a superhero, especially in Catholicism. She's bila any doubt the most influential and respected woman in the Bible. Some people practically pray to her. If there was a group of semi-deities, she'd definitely be there on that list.

I was just thinking that there should be a St. Judas church somewhere, and a Pontius Pilate Evangelical School elsewhere to honor these two great heroes of Christianity.

[u_aint_a_hustler]

First of all, it is important to know that according to the New Testament itself, all of Jesus' Disciples fled for their lives on the night of crucifixion. None of them witnessed Jesus' crucifixion except for one, that is Saint Peter! He was the lone and only witness of the actual crucifixion event. Let us look at what the Bible's New Testament says:

Matthew 26:34-35, 55-57, 69-75
34 Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, That this night, before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice.
35 Peter said unto him, Though I should die with thee, yet will I not deny thee. Likewise also said all the disciples.
.......
55 In that same hour said Jesus to the multitudes, Are ye come out as against a thief with swords and staves for to take me? I sat daily with you teaching in the temple, and ye laid no hold on me.
56 But all this was done, that the scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled. Then all the disciples forsook him, and fled.
57 And they that had laid hold on Jesus led him away to Caiaphas the high priest, where the scribes and the elders were assembled.
69 Now Peter sat without in the palace: and a damsel came unto him, saying, Thou also wast with Jesus of Galilee.
70 But he denied before them all, saying, I know not what thou sayest.
71 And when he was gone out into the porch, another maid saw him, and said unto them that were there, This fellow was also with Jesus of Nazareth.
72 And again he denied with an oath, I do not know the man.
73 And after a while came unto him they that stood by, and said to Peter, Surely thou also art one of them; for thy speech bewrayeth thee.
74 Then began he to curse and to swear, saying, I know not the man. And immediately the cock crew.
75 And Peter remembered the word of Jesus, which said unto him, Before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice. And he went out, and wept bitterly.



Now as we clearly see, Peter did witness the so-called crucifixion event. He was present there. The only thing that saved him from death is his denial that he knew Jesus. Otherwise, he would've got crucified that night.

[teejay]

Hustler

You are either intent on completely rebranding the bible or you eagerly want to mislead Christians or you have a very selective memory of the biblical events or you dont read properly or God forbid!, you are foolish.

I wonder if this is the way you read the Koran. I must say many a person who'd be your audience in the Mosque would fall astray.