[Zelda]

>From your responses all , you ave placed yourselves in the
>mentioned categories.
>so now i knw who am dealing with

@dadyamaru: na wewe je?
don't keep us in suspense.
which category do you fit into? :)

[spairo]

>
>According to you spairo in
>http://www.mashada.com/forums/index/...3699/index.php.
>
>....a Kafir is anybody who goes against the teaching of Quran.
>The Islamic unbeliever can also be a Kafir, right? This means
>that even Non-Muslims of other religions are Kafirs since they
>dont observe Quranic doctrine.And that means that you just
>lumped us all in one group - Kids
>
>What if I said that you muslims are being mislead by
>Mohammed's fallacies and that it would be good for you to seek
>true light.

Previously I was real respecting and treat Christians as individual, or judge them as such, but with what I have seen of late mostly in the media and here in Mashada, all unbelievers are the same, most of them argue without the basic tenet of argument and end up displaying kiddish attitude to serious religion matters concerning other believes.
The issue of some Muslims being labeled as Kafir, it can happen if this Muslims follows little teaching of Quran and the prophet. Equally if a Muslims talk negative on Hudud Law, or scared law is automatic a Kafir!

[dadyamaru]

>>From your responses all , you ave placed yourselves in the
>>mentioned categories.
>>so now i knw who am dealing with
>
>@dadyamaru: na wewe je?
>don't keep us in suspense.
>which category do you fit into?


@zelda
this tym nimeamua nisichukue acting role. nimeamua kuwa audience.
ama mhusika karagosi au mhusika bapa.

nawacheki.....bt enyewe its very irritating when som1 offers some light bt still p/ple want to stay in the darkenss.

Every1 shud ask themselves, y are we here? and where do we go from here?

Has this ever crossed ur mind...ur 1rst night in the grave.
Just take a moment and imagine, u alone in total darkness.
p/ple will b in a rude shock when they doscover actually there's lyf after death...nani kawadanganya kuwa ukifa unapumzika?

Rem you will b asked to account for the knowledge u acquired and how u used it.
The time u've spent on earth and how u lived ur lyf in the grave.

Lyf itakuwa mbaya sana ndani ya kaburi, amini usiamini.
but again this depends on how u lived ur lyf on earth.

Did u spent your entire lyf insulting & calling p/ple names?
Did u live ur lyf inflicting pain on others?
I know the matter of religion is complex but we cannot solve it with our closed minds.
Am here to learn and also to share the knowledge i ave, so its a give n take thing.
Jst like 1rst Caliph of Islam said, "AM NOT BEST AMONG YOU, I NEED YOUR ADVICE AND HELP, IF I DO WELL SUPPORT ME AND IF I MAKE A MISTAKE ADVICE ME.
TO TELL THE TRUTH IS A FAITHFUL ALLEGENCY TO CONCEAL IT TO TREASON.

As i respect u please do respect me
My fellow mashadans this is no joke.
Its high tym we change our attitude.
Lets make this forum a place to sort our differences.
Am willing to teach and guide any1 willing person as long as they as sensible questions.

Ofcourse i dont expect a nod from every1 bt al also b very comfortable working with the majority few.


Am sorry for any1 av caused pain but i do blive it must have been misunderstanding.
Am starting a new chapter here....is there any1 whoz willing to join me.


Thank you all

[satjas]

and herein lies the problem....its always 'us and them' for the muslims....they say we are all equal but really we cannot be "unbelievers" and be their equal can we?

"the greatest victims of islam are muslims......." quote from somewhere.


The soul is that which beholds beauty even when the mind denies it.

[Coach]

>and herein lies the problem....its always 'us and them' for
>the muslims....they say we are all equal but really we cannot
>be "unbelievers" and be their equal can we?



Jews call everyone else gentiles (is it not a case of 'us and them'? ), teejay among others says that anyone who is not 'saved' and doesn't take Christ as his lord is damned (another case of 'us and them'? ) and even the secular west makes a clear distinction of 'us and them' when adressing world issues.



"The ink of the scholar is more sacred than the blood of the martyr" Prophet Muhammad PBUH

[satjas]

that is these people saying it, not their ideology proclaiming it.....in the case of islam this is made clear in the kooran.....the believers, good, the unbelievers , bad!!!

-the paradigm shifter.

The soul is that which beholds beauty even when the mind denies it.

[Coach]

>that is these people saying it, not their ideology
>proclaiming it.....in the case of islam this is made clear in
>the kooran.....the believers, good, the unbelievers , bad!!!


Ever read the Talmud? Ever heard about salvation according to Judaism? Ever heard what Christians say about those who are saved and those who are damned? In Judaism and Christianity, you are damned if you do not believe in God or His Messengers so whether you like it it is divided in believers and unbelievers, the former saved from hellfire and the latter condemned to hellfire. But here you are claiming that this is only peculiar to Islam.



"The ink of the scholar is more sacred than the blood of the martyr" Prophet Muhammad PBUH

[satjas]

one cannot use one wrong to prove another wrong as 'right'. They are all doing ill towards humanity, but Islam is more vocal about it and goes about carrying out the evil acts whereas the rest are more passive.

[dadyamaru]

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[satjas]

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The soul is that which beholds beauty even when the mind denies it.