[spairo]

Fellow Brothers

We don’t need to borrow soo much from the Bible to be fitting in the class or to be accepted in the norms of the western civilization that we have come of age.
Listen My fellow believers, we also don’t need to be so submissive so that we can be called moderate or people who condone open dialogue, the moment we agree to this kind of theory then this is time we have gone astray, yet we asked Allah 77 times daily for him to protect us from going astray. We don’t need to follow there meekly way or pathetic way of behaving towards religion issue just to be termed to be moderate…if a pope mess up he need to be punished irrespective of his cadre, who is pope to remind us on our dark ages? Are they not the same people who condemn President of Iran after he failed to recognize holocaust? Then how come this big Infidel wants to go Scot free? No amount of apology will change our hearts, the best thing is for him to step down from papacy if there is such a way out.
ISLAM DEMANDS AN EYE FOR AN EYE. no in-betweens.

[reggie_woic]

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how ironic!!
you react to the pope's remarks about islamic violence with....what do you know-violence!!!
some point you guys are proving there.

[teejay]

@ Spairo

Are you aware that Coach believes absolutely that sentiments such as these you express here are Fanatical(in fact heir to Al zarqawi's seat) and that absolutely disqualifies you from being a moslem.

The coach at the same time is trying to hoodwink me that those Islamic protest was commenced by a few people, who again because of the expression of their anger, which is equal to violnce are in the same group as you Spairo- fanatics. Coach only the photos that were posted in Mashada showed afew people burning effigies. Al jazeera (the CNN of Mid east) Showed it all. Those were many people shouting, God knows what. Maybe infidel?

He is also saying that All those respected Islamic authorities who called for a day of anger are also fanatics. You know what, I believe him, I believe that after all, the much taunted Islamc growth has done nothing but create monsterous mobs who bay for blood, everytime the prophet is mentioned.

Coach you must be very few muslims out there then.

What do you have to say about the Moderate Muslim's remarks,boy/girl?

[ATLian]

>No amount of apology will
>change our hearts, the best thing is for him to step down from
>papacy if there is such a way out.
>ISLAM DEMANDS AN EYE FOR AN EYE. no in-betweens.

Spairo,

do you realize that the pope QUOTED a statement. He did not say it, he just quoted it from a BOOK. I can bet you that 99% of those protesting have no idea what the entire context is. They were just told "the pope insulted Islam and Mohammed" and they went out rushing to protest. WTF?

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In his recent speech, Benedict quoted from a book recounting a conversation between 14th century Byzantine Christian Emperor Manuel Paleologos II and an educated Persian on the truths of Christianity and Islam. “The emperor comes to speak about the issue of jihad, holy war,” the pope said. “He said, I quote, ‘Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached.' "

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Why can't these protestors protest about the dozens of Muslims who are being killed daily by fellow Muslims in Iraq? So what is this "eye-for-an-eye" that you want? The pope insulted your prophet, I assume an eye would be you insulting his religion's prophets, ama?

[Coach]

>Fellow Brothers
>
>We don’t need to borrow soo much from the Bible to be fitting
>in the class or to be accepted in the norms of the western
>civilization that we have come of age.


spairo,
Here's a shocker...those were verses from the Qur'an not the Bible. The verses and chapters somehow lost in cyber as I was posting.

Here are the verses...5:46, 2:62 & 5:69, 5:82 and 3:113-114.

As you can see, teejay is using various tactics, all to show that he is right. he said that islam was spread by the sword but can't name a single country where people were converted by force or killed for believing in another deity. He said Muslims hate Jesus and a lot of other hogwash which he can't support with facts.

Spairo, Islam does say an eye for an eye, just like the Bible. That is justice, but would that be in this case about the pope? Will you talk trash about Jesus? That would be shooting yourself in the foot innit?

ATLian,
When someone quotes some historic figure, they don't do it out of context. The Pope must have agreed with the quote or disagreed, the context of the quote clearly shows that the Pope agreed with the comments. I can quote Hitler and say something like..."Jews are like plague, we must get rid of them." If I was quoting Hitler to show his evil nature and highlighting the deficiency in his thinking and ideology then you would naturally have nothing against my words. But if I said it in an air of admiration then you would of course accuse me of anti-Semitism. Think about it.





"The ink of the scholar is more sacred than the blood of the martyr" Prophet Muhammad PBUH

[KEMINOKANA]

Coach and co, stop defending the indefensible. We all have our own religions and gods and God that we revere. There have been famous atheists who blast religion especially christianity over and over. There are muslim presidents that have made several offending comments on christians and christianity. But you never see us taking to the streets rioting, bombing and slaughtering muslims.

You guys make me sick. As long as muslims continue behaving like tyrants who own the world and the truth that can't be challenged, Islam will continue to carry negative prejudices and IMHO rightly so. There needs to be a voice of reason. Just let freedom reign...what the ***!! I wouldnt mind if u murdered an intruding christian in your mosque.

As reggie noted, it is extremely bizarre that muslims reacted violently to a comment condeming a culture of violence among muslims. It just proves the Pope right!

[ATLian]

Coach,

I agree with you that a quote has to be viewed in context in order to determine what the intent of the "quoter" is. The guy who said the original quote was trying to show how Allah clearly states in the Koran that there should be no violence, yet Mohammed states that Islam should be spread by the sword. So his point is, who's words do you attach deeper value to? I think all the pope was trying to do was show that the current wave of Islamic violence is anti-Allah and anti-Koran, regardless of what the other prophets and Imams and Ayatollahs may recommend. I think he has a point. The ultimate word in any religion should be the word of the deity, not the word of those who claim to be his prophets.

[Coach]

>Coach,
>
The guy
>who said the original quote was trying to show how Allah
>clearly states in the Koran that there should be no violence,
>yet Mohammed states that Islam should be spread by the sword.
>So his point is, who's words do you attach deeper value to?

Here we go again. ATLian, can you show me where the Prophet said that Islam should be spread by the sword? Can you show us where the Prophet said that people should be forced to convert to Islam?

[Coach]

>You guys make me sick. As long as muslims continue behaving
>like tyrants who own the world and the truth that can't be
>challenged, Islam will continue to carry negative prejudices
>and IMHO rightly so. There needs to be a voice of reason. Just
>let freedom reign...what the ***!!...It just proves the Pope right!

There are many voices of reason, but they wouldn't make the 10 o'clock news. Those who shout, burn and threaten are given the attention. Million upon millions of Muslims did not like what the Pope said but we didn't go out burning effigies or threatenning people, they got on with their lives. To demonstrate peacefully and expressing the dissatisfaction with the Pope's comment is right, but why should the few who react violently be representing the rest?






"The ink of the scholar is more sacred than the blood of the martyr" Prophet Muhammad PBUH

[Death]

>There are many voices of reason, but they wouldn't make the 10
>o'clock news. Those who shout, burn and threaten are given the
>attention. Million upon millions of Muslims did not like what
>the Pope said but we didn't go out burning effigies or
>threatenning people, they got on with their lives. To
>demonstrate peacefully and expressing the dissatisfaction with
>the Pope's comment is right, but why should the few who react
>violently be representing the rest?

Ok Coach, let's try this another way. Do you agree that the voices chaos in Islam, are of a greater number than the voices chaos in other religions?