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COMPARING ISLAM AND CHRISTIANITY: WHY YOU SHOULD BELIEVE IN ISLAM... -
09-13-2006, 02:41 PM
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RE: COMPARING ISLAM AND CHRISTIANITY: WHY YOU SHOULD BELIEVE IN ISLAM... -
09-16-2006, 12:05 PM
1.Because it followers are outspoken wailers who outshine christians and thus Islam is growing rapidly and will take over Christianity soon.
2. Because Islamic Sharia brings 'peace'- disregard the eye for an eye.
3. Beacause the Holy koran isn't corrupt, Never mind that the biblical prophets are honored and remain as props, supporters and genealogical ancestry legitimizing the prophethood of Muhammad.
4. There are female young virgins awaiting you in heaven. I wonder wether they have male virgins for ladies.
5. Becuase you will only worship one Allah, the fact his name belongs to an ancient idol in the pre-mohammed days nothwistanding.
6. You will benefit from learning arabic- A translated koran is bad for you, even if it swears Mohammed's holiness a trillion times.
7. You are allowed to be polygamous because abraham was.
8. .......
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RE: COMPARING ISLAM AND CHRISTIANITY: WHY YOU SHOULD BELIEVE IN ISLAM... -
09-17-2006, 02:41 AM
>1.Because it followers are outspoken wailers who outshine
>christians and thus Islam is growing rapidly and will take
>over Christianity soon.
CORRECTION: Only a very very very very...small minority are outspoken wailers. Please don't confuse Islam with Muslims!! Muslims are not perfect although the religion itself is. The same way there are a few corrupt Kenyans that ruin it for us all although the legal law itself in Kenya clearly outlines no TKK etc...So are you trying to tell me that just because of those sore apples, the whole thing is bad?? In that case, you might want to read up on teh crusaders then...yes, you know, those christian wailers from the back way then before any of us was born and we now choose to forget about.
>2. Because Islamic Sharia brings 'peace'- disregard the eye
>for an eye.
Eye for an eye rule only if one asks for forgiveness and if there is a considerable number of pious witnesses. Obviously all that committ a crime knowingly and willingly aught to be punished.
>3. Because the Holy koran isn't corrupt, Never mind that the
>biblical prophets are honored and remain as props, supporters
>and genealogical ancestry legitimizing the prophethood of
>Muhammad.
I don't get your point here...what is wrong with that? Isn't that the same way that christians maintain the belief in Abraham (PBUH) from the Jews to support Jesus'(PBUH) genealogical ancestry? BTW, the prohet Muhammed(PBUH) is a blood descendant of prophet Ishmael(PBUH) so he does not need to legitimize his own ancestry when it exists in his blood...
>4. There are female young virgins awaiting you in heaven. I
>wonder wether they have male virgins for ladies.
Yes, as a matter of fact us womenfolk also get a piece of the pie ;) See, contrary to popular belief, Muslim women have equal rights when it comes to God's gifts to His people.
>5. Becuase you will only worship one Allah, the fact his name
>belongs to an ancient idol in the pre-mohammed days
>nothwistanding.
FYI it takes an idiot to know that allah means god in arabic so if some what the heck do you expect Arab pagans to use to refer to god as allah. We Muslims call ours Allah. Tell me...when you speak english, what do you call god?...did you say God?..Oh I see...you put a capital letter to differentiate...my bad! Forgive my mistake...
>6. You will benefit from learning arabic- A translated koran
>is bad for you, even if it swears Mohammed's holiness a
>trillion times.
Mmmmmmmmmm....actually. CORRECTION...It has never been said that reading english Quran is bad for you, just that Arabic is BETTER so as to reduce the misinterpretations that come from translation. You know the way watching Lord of the ring as a movie is not bad for you but the book is better??...yeah...exactly...that is the point...
>7. You are allowed to be polygamous because abraham was.
ONLY, and ONLY if your wife agrees, if you can support them all and your children and no more than 4. We humans are animals and need to stay alive as a species. Seriously, if you use your animal logic, there are more women than men in the world soooooo...obviously someone has to share. We don't HAVE to but there ain't nothing wrong as teh more, the merrier sometimes. Now I KNOW I am not sharing for sure. But hey! If a fellow Muslim sister doesn't mind sharing her husband with another woman then that is her business and the otehr lady's!
>8. .......
I guess you ran out of things to say so later!
BTW: I just love the way you used sarcasm to make your point. No seriously...no insult intended...that just made me laugh...I am interested in debate tactics and that one always interests me. Lol!
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RE: COMPARING ISLAM AND CHRISTIANITY: WHY YOU SHOULD BELIEVE IN ISLAM... -
09-17-2006, 05:38 PM
yep, only in islam does the fairness between man and women exist!!! it's so obvious ain't it?
-the paradigm shifter...
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RE: COMPARING ISLAM AND CHRISTIANITY: WHY YOU SHOULD BELIEVE IN ISLAM... -
09-17-2006, 09:20 PM
>yep, only in islam does the fairness between man and women
>exist!!! it's so obvious ain't it?
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>-the paradigm shifter...
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>The soul is that which beholds beauty even when the mind
>denies it.
Lol! I think you are carrying this sarcasm thing a little too far now. I OBVIOUSLY didn't say ONLY in Islam so please don't put your foot where your mouth is as sometimes some people will actually believe your statements as matter of facts rather than sarcastic comments.
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RE: COMPARING ISLAM AND CHRISTIANITY: WHY YOU SHOULD BELIEVE IN ISLAM... -
09-18-2006, 11:50 AM
hey mbajuni
>Yes, as a matter of fact us womenfolk also get a piece of the
>pie ;) See, contrary to popular belief, Muslim women have
>equal rights when it comes to God's gifts to His people.
You said Muslim women, which is akin to implying the "non muslim women" have no equal rights....... etc. You said it not I.
> Now I KNOW I am not sharing for sure. But hey! If a
>fellow Muslim sister doesn't mind sharing her husband with
>another woman then that is her business and the otehr lady's!
could you please tell us opn what grounds you came to that decision cos i have many muslim women friends who might also want to know.
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RE: COMPARING ISLAM AND CHRISTIANITY: WHY YOU SHOULD BELIEVE IN ISLAM... -
09-18-2006, 07:18 PM
I think women's status should be something you veer far away from if you are trying to promote islam...
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RE: COMPARING ISLAM AND CHRISTIANITY: WHY YOU SHOULD BELIEVE IN ISLAM... -
09-18-2006, 09:49 PM
Mbajuni,
Religion is indefensible. You either believe or you don't.
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Well said ............... -
09-19-2006, 11:50 AM
You are never dedicated to something you have
complete confidence in. No one is fanatically shouting
that the sun is going to rise tomorrow. They know it
is going to rise tomorrow. When people are
fanatically dedicated to political or religious
faiths or any other kinds of dogmas or goals, it's
always because these dogmas or goals are in doubt.
- Robert M. Pirsig
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RE: COMPARING ISLAM AND CHRISTIANITY: WHY YOU SHOULD BELIEVE IN ISLAM... -
09-20-2006, 12:04 PM
>CORRECTION: Only a very very very very...small minority are
>outspoken wailers.
Maybe its just me or that the definition of minority has since changed into something else. It is all over the CNN, BBC NTV, KTN, SABC, CCTV,Al Jazeera, Placard waving wailers wherever found in the world are doing what they are best at. According to recent statistical records by one Dadyamaru of Mashada, Islamists are large in numbers. So where is your minority perception coming from?
> Please don't confuse Islam with Muslims!!
>Muslims are not perfect although the religion itself is. The
>same way there are a few corrupt Kenyans that ruin it for us
This is where Mohammed comes in. If a Muslim is imperfect then Muslim Mohammed must countless times deceived other people (his followers. And since he founded the religion it must one of the worst catastrophes ever to happen to this world.
> Obviously
>all that committ a crime knowingly and willingly aught to be
>punished.
Of course! Punishment that is meant to bring about rehabilitation of an individuals character is most welcomed. Its objective should not however be to revenge. An eye for an eye rule does not create that impression or does it.
>I don't get your point here...what is wrong with that? Isn't
>that the same way that christians maintain the belief in
>Abraham (PBUH) from the Jews to support Jesus'(PBUH)
>genealogical ancestry?
You noticed that what you say above is purely biblical. It is in order for us to believe in the word of our God Jehovah.
>BTW, the prohet Muhammed(PBUH) is a
>blood descendant of prophet Ishmael(PBUH) so he does not need
>to legitimize his own ancestry when it exists in his blood...
My point is the bible is good only when it speaks well of the prophet even in English. It meaning is not diluted then.
Let me refer you to a certain quote John 8:31-59.
Now you know the true descendants of Abraham. Ye believe Mohammed was of his lineage yet he believed not in what Abraham believed. Had he believed in the God of Abraham he would know the meaning of Ultimate Sacrifice, he would teach his followers about mans redemption. Unfortunately he never did. You can guess where that places on Gods list of influential persons.
>Yes, as a matter of fact us womenfolk also get a piece of the
>pie ;) See, contrary to popular belief, Muslim women have
>equal rights when it comes to God's gifts to His people.
Have you ever watched the movie Not Without My Daughter?
>FYI it takes an idiot to know that allah means god in arabic
I have no problem with that, in fact I cant agree more, idiot.
>so if some what the heck do you expect Arab pagans to use to
>refer to god as allah. We Muslims call ours Allah. Tell
>me...when you speak english, what do you call god?
From your own word. Arabic is better than English. So Allah must be better than God, which brings out clearly the inferiority God (Jehovah is not inferior). It gets that simple, really. And by the way the term god is a general term used to refer to some superior spiritual being of every religion. My Gods name is Jehovah, he that liveth forever. You see Jehovah is not allah, Because allah has no name. S/he is god. Could be a bottle of coke or statue of liberty, or the moon or anything else.
So it is still in order for you to that allah is god.
>...did you
>say God?..Oh I see...you put a capital letter to
>differentiate...my bad! Forgive my mistake...
Is not just for differentiating but also for bestowing all honor and respect for the Lord and to show that none is his equal.
>Mmmmmmmmmm....actually. CORRECTION...It has never been said
>that reading english Quran is bad for you, just that Arabic is
>BETTER so as to reduce the misinterpretations that come from
>translation. You know the way watching Lord of the ring as a
>movie is not bad for you but the book is
>better??...yeah...exactly...that is the point...
If A is good and B is better than A then it is obvious that even the mathere cases can tell that A is inferior to be. It is like saying why get A while you can utilize one that better than A.
Fact: English Koran is inferior to Arabic Koran. Last time I checked, the term inferiority meant of low rank or importance
>ONLY, and ONLY if your wife agrees, if you can support them
>all and your children and no more than 4. We humans are
>animals and need to stay alive as a species. Seriously, if you
>use your animal logic, there are more women than men in the
>world soooooo...obviously someone has to share. We don't HAVE
>to but there ain't nothing wrong as teh more, the merrier
>sometimes. Now I KNOW I am not sharing for sure. But hey! If a
>fellow Muslim sister doesn't mind sharing her husband with
>another woman then that is her business and the otehr lady's!
Thank you for that elaboration. Clearly, God has not part here but the Muslim wife, ati because Sarah asked Abraham to get a child by his maidservant. I call that following blindly. In the end we still a provision for polygamy in Islam. There is no clear-cut line in Islam that Polygamy is unacceptable.
>I guess you ran out of things to say so later!
Sooner than , will do. They were so many that I thought Id spam Mashada. You are aware that the site has been experiencing some downtimes lately.
>BTW: I just love the way you used sarcasm to make your point.
>No seriously...no insult intended...that just made me
>laugh...I am interested in debate tactics and that one always
>interests me. Lol!
Much appreciation.
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