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09-23-2006, 01:05 AM
>I think women's status should be something you veer far away
>from if you are trying to promote islam...
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>Life's not a garden so don't be a hoe
And who made you genius on the laws of women in Islam??
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09-23-2006, 01:11 AM
>You said Muslim women, which is akin to implying the "non
>muslim women" have no equal rights....... etc. You said it not
>I.
No Brother! Please get your English straight...
ONLY Muslim women have rights = Non-Muslim women don't have rights
Muslim women have rights = We have rights TOO
>> Now I KNOW I am not sharing for sure. But hey! If a
>>fellow Muslim sister doesn't mind sharing her husband with
>>another woman then that is her business and the otehr
>lady's!
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>could you please tell us opn what grounds you came to that
>decision cos i have many muslim women friends who might also
>want to know.
I am not exactly sure what you are asking about here. If it's about why I won't share. Well I just won't, I like a man all to myself every night, everyday. Straight and simple. But if someone else doesn't mind sharing then that's their choice. Need I explain more...I don't understand what you are getting to.
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09-23-2006, 02:32 AM
>Maybe its just me or that the definition of minority has since
>changed into something else. It is all over the CNN, BBC NTV,
>KTN, SABC, CCTV,Al Jazeera, Placard waving wailers wherever
>found in the world are doing what they are best at. According
>to recent statistical records by one Dadyamaru of Mashada,
>Islamists are large in numbers. So where is your minority
>perception coming from?
Lol! Just because those are most of what is portrayed by the MEDIA does not depict the fact. Most of the black people we see on TV are on COPS. Does that mean that most are criminals?? Duuuuuuuuh...stop being a media puppet. GET YOUR FACTS!!!!
>This is where Mohammed comes in. If a Muslim is imperfect then
>Muslim Mohammed must countless times deceived other people
>(his followers. And since he founded the religion it must one
>of the worst catastrophes ever to happen to this world.
HUH?? Your point in English please...We are ALL imperfect. NONE is perfect. The same way the law says we must not kill. People still kill meaning...we are imperfect. Islam may say don't kill etc but people still do. Same difference!
And by the way, your comment on "it must one of the worst catastrophes ever to happen to this world". Enough with those judgemental and rude comments about our prophet man especially to my face. We are in a mature discussion here so please...relax with ill-founded conclusions. This is exactly my point. Many people don't use FACTS and evidence to support their points. They just utter whatever first comes to their heads bases on ideologies alone.
>Of course! Punishment that is meant to bring about
>rehabilitation of an individuals character is most welcomed.
>Its objective should not however be to revenge. An eye for an
>eye rule does not create that impression or does it.
I agree as does the Quran so what is your point? The Quran says:
The Family of Imran [3.31] Say: If you love Allah, then follow me, Allah will love you and forgive you your faults, and Allah is Forgiving, MercifuL
>>I don't get your point here...what is wrong with that? Isn't
>>that the same way that christians maintain the belief in
>>Abraham (PBUH) from the Jews to support Jesus'(PBUH)
>>genealogical ancestry?
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>You noticed that what you say above is purely biblical. It is
>in order for us to believe in the word of our God Jehovah.
I knooooooooow...That's why I put it there to show you how profound YOUR argument was. You said the same thing about Islam. It seems ignorant for YOU to state the same about Muslims and what is in the Quran, when one can only be Muslim is they belive in all the 25 prophets including Adam, Noah, Jacob, David, Solomon, Abraham.....Jesus and Mohammed. So what is this with bull**** claim that Muhammed is trying to legitimize himself.
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>>BTW, the prohet Muhammed(PBUH) is a
>>blood descendant of prophet Ishmael(PBUH) so he does not
>need
>>to legitimize his own ancestry when it exists in his
>blood...
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>My point is the bible is good only when it speaks well of the
>prophet even in English. It meaning is not diluted then.
HUH?? Your point is WHAT??? "the bible is good only when it speaks well of the prophet even in English???" What has that got to do with my previosu point??
>Let me refer you to a certain quote John 8:31-59.
>Now you know the true descendants of Abraham.
OK, You seriously want me to read 28 verses? Ok...I will, just to participate in the discussion....Give me a moment....
Wow! That was long but basically what I got out of it is that Jews are the Seed of Abraham as is Jesus and Jesus said if they are Abraham's seed you would follow his ways.
Well now that I have read your bible for 20 minutes!!! Please read this from the Quran that will take you less than 5 minutes.
Surah Baqarah
[2.124] And when his Lord tried Ibrahim with certain words, he fulfilled them. He said: Surely I will make you an Imam (Leader) of men. Ibrahim said: And of my offspring? My covenant does not include the unjust, said He.
[2.125] And when We made the House a pilgrimage for men and a (place of) security, and: Appoint for yourselves a place of prayer on the standing-place of Ibrahim (The Kaaba today). And We enjoined Ibrahim and Ismail saying: Purify My House for those who visit (it) and those who abide (in it) for devotion and those who bow down (and) those who prostrate themselves.
[2.126] And when Ibrahim said: My Lord, make it a secure town (Mecca today) and provide its people with fruits, such of them as believe in Allah and the last day. He said: And whoever disbelieves, I will grant him enjoyment for a short while, then I will drive him to the chastisement of the fire; and it is an evil destination.
[2.127] And when Ibrahim and Ismail raised the foundations of the House: Our Lord! accept from us; surely Thou art the Hearing, the Knowing:
[2.128] Our Lord! and make us both submissive to Thee and (raise) from our offspring a nation submitting to Thee, and show us our ways of devotion and turn to us (mercifully), surely Thou art the Oft-returning (to mercy), the Merciful.
[2.129] Our Lord! and raise up in them an Apostle from among them who shall recite to them Thy communications and teach them the Book and the wisdom, and purify them; surely Thou art the Mighty, the Wise.
So I guess "Now you know the true descendants of Abraham." Giving me a quote in the bible stating about Abrahams descendants is the same way I can give you a quote in the Quran stating Abrahams descendants so we can go on forever with this if you'd like...
>Ye believe Mohammed was of his lineage yet he believed not in what
>Abraham believed. Had he believed in the God of Abraham he
>would know the meaning of Ultimate Sacrifice, he would teach
>his followers about mans redemption. Unfortunately he never
>did. You can guess where that places on Gods list of
>influential persons.
WHAT??? You are kidding me right? Do you knoooooooooow the Quran? Tell me..WHAT DID ABRAHAM BELIVE IN THAT WE MUSLIMS DON'T...TELL ME...
Again from The Family of Imran,
It is from the Chapter The Family of Imran, which is mostly about Jesus' birth, Abraham's lineage etc
[3.33] Surely Allah chose Adam and Nuh and the descendants of Ibrahim (Abraham) and the descendants of Imran above the nations.
[3.34] Offspring one of the other; and Allah is Hearing, Knowing.
... Then some of my favorite quotes:
[3.64] Say: O followers of the Book! (Jews, Christians and Muslims)come to an equitable proposition between us and you that we shall not serve any but Allah and (that) we shall not associate aught with Him, and (that) some of us shall not take others for lords besides Allah; but if they turn back, then say: Bear witness that we are Muslims.
[3.65] O followers of the Book! why do you dispute about Ibrahim, when the Taurat and the Injeel were not revealed till after him; do you not then understand?
[3.66] Behold! you are they who disputed about that of which you had knowledge; why then do you dispute about that of which you have no knowledge? And Allah knows while you do not know.
[3.67] Ibrahim was not a Jew nor a Christian but he was (an) upright (man), a Muslim, and he was not one of the polytheists.
[3.68] Most surely the nearest of people to Ibrahim are those who followed him and this Prophet and those who believe and Allah is the guardian of the believers.
As far as I remember, Abraham didn't teach about the Ultimate Sacrifice or man's redemption. He taught about the oneness of God and the Ten commandments, which Muslims follow until today. For goodness sake we still maintain the sabbath and don;t eat pork!!! So please enlighten me on where EXACTLY in the bible it talks of Abraham teching about those otehr topics.
If in the ultimate sacrifice you mean the sacrifice that Abraham was going to make of his son then we Muslim DO believe that he was going to sacrifice his son except that we believe it was Ishmael, whereas you guys belive it was Isaac. So that's where Islam and Christianity split (That's like a whole other debate on it's own).
And please brother...Make clear points that support your arguments. Your conclusion that "You can guess where that places on Gods list of influential persons" is completely unfounded and lack any support!!
>>Yes, as a matter of fact us womenfolk also get a piece of
>the
>>pie ;) See, contrary to popular belief, Muslim women have
>>equal rights when it comes to God's gifts to His people.
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>Have you ever watched the movie Not Without My Daughter?
AHA! Movie i.e. Mostly fiction. You want us to take one story of one dominant Arab dude as the fact about billions of Muslims today. Seriously!! I think black people are violent based on COPS too...how cool is that?? We are like...TV buddies!!!
>>FYI it takes an idiot to know that allah means god in arabic
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>I have no problem with that, in fact I cant agree more,
>idiot.
Hahahaha...Muhahahaha... funny how you assumed I was calling you an idiot and actually stooped low enough to call me one. How predictable...
And by the way the term god is a general term
>used to refer to some superior spiritual being of every
>religion. My Gods name is Jehovah, he that liveth forever.
Great! On that note, I'd appreciate it is you used Jehovah to make a distiction henceforth between what you believe in and what I believe coz this Allah is not God think sounds very ignorant.
>You see Jehovah is not allah, Because allah has no name. S/he
>is god. Could be a bottle of coke or statue of liberty, or the
>moon or anything else.
Now get me started on that....you just opened up a bottle of worms honey. You did not just say my God is a bottle of coke or anything else...the nerve!!!
FYI, my God's names are A-Rahman, A-Rahim, Al-Malik...He has a total of 100 names referring to all His attributes i.e. The All-knowing, The All-forgiving, The All-Meciful. But you can just call Him Allah for short.
Allah's name is Allah the same way Jehovah is Jehovah. WHere in teh world do you think the name Jehovah came from. Do you think it was made up just like that??? Duh!!
I can't even argue with such ignorances and utterances...May God be with you...
>If A is good and B is better than A then it is obvious that
>even the mathere cases can tell that A is inferior to be. It
>is like saying why get A while you can utilize one that better
>than A.
>
>Fact: English Koran is inferior to Arabic Koran. Last time I
>checked, the term inferiority meant of low rank or
>importance
Ai pleeez...enough of that sentence that gets us knowhere but confused. a=c+d-c =xyz. Talk logical and straight man. Get to your point and be clear...What is YOUR POINT???? Yes the EnliSh Quran is inferior to the Arabic Quran according to your definition but like I said (IF YOU REMEMBER MY POINT) it is not WRONG to read the English one or forbidden. CASE IN POINT! So stop detracting from my main point.
>Thank you for that elaboration. Clearly, God has not part here
>but the Muslim wife, ati because Sarah asked Abraham to get a
>child by his maidservant. I call that following blindly. In
>the end we still a provision for polygamy in Islam. There is
>no clear-cut line in Islam that Polygamy is unacceptable.
What is your point??? Use relevant points. I never even mentioned Sarah or Abraham about this. We Muslims don't follow polygamy because of Abraham so....
Aish! I am going to sleep. I think I have had enough of Mashada for the day...
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09-23-2006, 04:00 AM
@ mbajuni
thx for the good Job u ave done while i ws away.
Allah has promised to protect the Holy Quran unlike the bible
so that a comparison on its own that Islam stands out from the crowd.
in the Holy Quran its mentioned the only true religion in the eyes of God is Islam. If Islam is the only justified religion means there are other unjustified religions out there so do u still want to compare Islam n christianity.
Can any christian quote for me anywhere in the bible where christianity is mentioned?
Amongst p/ple who will go to hell they ave eyes but they dont see from them, they ave brains but they dont think from them etc.
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09-23-2006, 06:23 AM
>Allah has promised to protect the Holy Quran unlike the bible
Either you have chosen to deliberately ignore that phrase in the bible that indicates that Jehovah protects his word or you are just playing your part in the fanatical world.
Then again we cannot argue much about Allah protecting his Koran. He is entitled to it. I Every god protects his opinion.
>in the Holy Quran its mentioned the only true religion in the
>eyes of God is Islam.
Most certainly, I do agree.
>If Islam is the only justified religion
in the Quran
> it means there are other unjustified religions out
side the Quran
>so do u
>still want to compare Islam n christianity.
Dady, listen to this. A guy goes into hibernation in a cave innumerable times, is possessed by unknown being, causing violent seizures to his body. He is not even sure of what he has seen and fears it could be a demon (he is damn right). It takes his wife to convince him that he has seen an angel. Finally he gathers enough courage and comes out to claim that he got visions of an Angel instructing him to create a new religion.
Under such circumstances of dubiety it becomes difficult to compare Islam and Christianity
>Can any christian quote for me anywhere in the bible where
>christianity is mentioned?
Am afraid I cannot do that and that is why I must take a Hadithical(circular reasoning) measure to remedy the situation. Let me take you down the pavement of a kindergarten, but first my apologies for not having any goodies. I will forward my request to Santa next.
Christ is the master of his followers dadyyy, and his followers are referred to as Christians. The term was used derogatively in early infancy stages of the church, by its opponents. It got stuck with us up to this date. We took that name with humility in line with our masters directive, That if a Roman asks you to carry his load for a mile do it two miles. This is why this term may not appear in the bible.
I will not castigate you for not knowing it now because you are still learning. But in future, making fatal errors like these to justify your skewed religious sentiments will warrant severe punishments. Okay Kid?
>Amongst p/ple who will go to hell they ave eyes but they dont
>see from them, they ave brains but they dont think from them
>etc.
Me, I know everyone will go to hell including you and me. So stop talking about what you dont know. Even Mohammed is in hell now as we speak; Jesus went through hell and on the third woke up.
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09-23-2006, 07:39 AM
>Allah has promised to protect the Holy Quran unlike the bible
Tell Allah to please open those locked Islamic nations and allow the Gospel to freely be preached everywhere in mideast and surrounding areas .....without persection!
Let dare him and find out whether he will protect 'his people' from spiritual blindness
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09-29-2006, 04:13 PM
>>Can any christian quote for me anywhere in the bible where
>>christianity is mentioned?
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>Am afraid I cannot do that and that is why I must take a
>Hadithical(circular reasoning) measure to remedy the
>situation. Let me take you down the pavement of a
>kindergarten, but first my apologies for not having any
>goodies. I will forward my request to Santa next.
>
Atleast some fellas have the guts to admit...
People who still follow Some religion(Christianity) that even their books do not mention...
It is a nice try...anywayz
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09-30-2006, 07:30 AM
Islam to me as a religion is weak because it just smells like a typical monarchy with fudged up spiritual perks. A bit shallow with their examples as well. I have a Koran, the parables are nothing wow like the Bible, some parts of it you're just better off reading a science textbook. The whole of Islam just wreaks like a monarchy to me, with the full on palaces, somewhat trying to be scientific outlook, numerous wives, strict dress codes, lots of pointless exercises for redemption, heaven as somesort of indulgent rich man's world... i just don't believe in putting my ass up in the air 5 times a day so I can be with 76 virgins in the afterlife.
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