[teejay]

>As a xian...you should say nuthin against muslims.

I still dont understand what you mean by this phrase.

>Thats my
>view, the bible may be considered as bad. Didnt Jesus have a
>convo with the devil??

Of course He did. But He Satan is his creation, how can you not expect Christ not to talk to Him, much less when his creation thinks that his creator should bow down to him. Isn't it only right that Satan must be reminded of his position. What was wrong with that?

In addition to that Eden, what influence did the devil have on Jesus's Character. None. The son of perdition was repulsed and went back to hibernate in darkness to wait for another "right" moment.

>Isnt the Christian God a jealous and
>Vengeful God??

He has got that monopoly and all the rights to do so. After all, worship in its entirity is supposed to be in his adoration and to no one else. Do you really expect your master to be soft on you when you blantantly transgress his requirements? He may be lenient, but up to a certain limit.

Surely you know that to Compare God unto other gods is to undermine His supremacy. Think of it this way man creating a statue and then giving it all the praise. Isn't that insane? Its like God creatng you and then worshiping you (his creation)while he knows that you have no power that can equal His. Man can be stupid when they want to be! Tell me if that cannot make God Jelous and vengeful.

>isnt that there? At the same time dont xians
>kill people to convert them to xianity.

Am yet to find a phrase in the Bible where Christ explicitly tells his followers to force people to follow God. Even Satan was not forced to obey God.

>Do sum research and
>you will see.

Do that research yourself and find out exaclty who was killing who and why they were killing who.

>I am not defending islam in any way, i just
>think its very hypocritical for a christian to trash talk a
>muslim.

I tend to think that hypocrisy is when one preaches water and drinks wine.

What is wrong with a christian who is steadfast in his fellowhip of God, spreading the word even unto the Muslim brothers. After all Christ directs us to go into the world (Muslims are part of this world, arent they?) and tell them the Good news,baptising them in the name of the father , the son and the Holy Spirit.

>Back to the main topic; I agree Islam is a threat to
>western societies b/c the more this war goes on the more pplz
>outside of the Americas want to learn about Islam and the more
>they learn the more they want to convert. I dont agree with
>collective religion and if i refuse to be a christian then i
>must also refuse to be a Muslim...they have very similar
>ideologies.

Eden the westerners have their agenda in trobling the Mid East. Have you Ever asked yourself why only the Mid East is being subjected to so much trouble? While it appears to be a religious onslaught, it is actually something very different. Afew months ago I embarked on enlightening my fellow mashadites on what was going on behind the scenes and who was the real terrorist behind the woes of Mid East. Some fellas here who think that only a university product is capable of having such knowledge dismissed me unceremoniously as a person who fancies conspiracy theories. What is amazing though, is that what I was telling them is what is happening. The thing is, the Mid East turmoil is between Islam and Catholicism. You may not agree, but that is the truth. For ages The Roman Catholic church has been scheming on how to get Jerusalem under her control. She wants her popes to reighn from Jerusalem and until that end is achieved there will be no peace in that region. That is why there must be much suffering there that the Mid East and that world (getting waery of the violence) shall call for peace in the region. If you look at the last pope globe trotting history you will see that masses had begun to synonymize him with peace. In deed during his funeral we saw most religous orders broght together by his demise.The current pope is doing bad as far as foreign relations is concerned but that will be over soon.

America is fighting a war that even its citizens don't what is all about. Her systems are badly ailing under the attack of Jesuits or Rome, who have sought to destroy that Nation for about over 200 years. They have steadily and subtly climbed to positions of influence and power and are making policies that are ridiclous, with latested being that one being pushed the throt of every one-the terrorism bill. This bill will ultimately take away every one's freedom. Be it a muslim or a christian. The world will once again sink back to the dark ages where the reverence of the pope was demanded at the pain of death.

About the one on similar religous ideologies; let me just say am not quite sure about that. Because if that was true then We would not have the garbage yard religions.

[Eden_2005]

I kno i took 4eva to reply lakini here it is...
U semad ati Jesus was not influenced by the devil..how u kno that the same did not apply to Mohammed, as far as i kno I never read or heard anything about him being influenced( not that i kno all bout Islam but if there is enlighten me plz) And the Xian God is vengeful and you cannot even begin to sema that he is lenient to a limit, from what i know he seems lenient in letting pplz into heaven but quick to destroy in his wrath...serious mixup in priorities maybe. And we cant sema man is stupid and thats why he must be that way...he created us RIGHT? and he created us knowing we would be stupid RIGHT? whos fault is that??
From how I see it Xians are doin the same thing they accuse Muslims of doin, it might not be in their bible but they doing it...even their leaders, slaying pplz to convert them.
I think its hyporcrisy b/c these two religion have very similar ideoligies and they root from the same 3 religions. I am not a xian neither am i a Muslim so im lookin from the outside in but ur lookin at it as defending ur own.
how can u sema that pplz should be converted??? HELL NAHHH ..i dont believe in that at all, its like sayin all pplz should be made black. The world needs diversity. If them junguz did not fika ur grandparoz with a gun...u would not be a xian. For us we dont even need to look as far back as Akaataz, my own granny was not converted..its too close to home thats why im so against converting pplz. As nicely as you do it, its wrong..let them learn at their own free will and if their happy with what they got then let it be.
So are catholics not considered xians??( i need to check up on this soon)..i thought they were . And if they are and the war is between muslims and catholics then its a war between them and Xians. It paints a bad pic for all xians, why would they want to take over Muslim ground...or even if its their ground and pplz are living there why slaughter them for it. If i look at it that way im even more disgusted. Newayz ask a Hindu ama and atheist if they find any difference in the two..i just did and they semad nah there is not much from what they jua. this was longer than i intended..i hate on pplz with long posts..i see why now.
Eden

[teejay]

Eden, sorry to say this, but the type of language you are using to express you concern is abit too much for me. I am having trouble reading through it. Am abit old school and like the text in plain English.

Do we agree that you will simplify this for me so that I can respond accordingly? a little punctuation will also do.

Thank you.

[Eden_2005]

nah sry I aint about to translate all that, neither am I about to punctuate it. This aint an essay...i took the time to write it then read it. If not then don't respond at all.
Eden

[teejay]

Very well Eden, I shall go by your wish, but I sincerely ask of thee to seriously consider my plea, in future.