[teejay]

Of late I have gone a little under in order to do a search and compile some info for my friend Death. In my quest to do so I just come accross a certain literature that has explicitly mentioned ISLAM as a creation of the Catholic Church!

Of course I wanted to dismiss the phrase, but as I read on, I found out that the same fanatical urge that the RCC has endowed its Jesuit army with, is exactly similar to that millitant fanatism that Islam has endowed its followers with! This could mean that the same principles are praticed by the two groups. I will in the my compliation at its omega furnish you with a portion of an evil oath that Jesuits take. It has been in my possesion for some time now. I could not help but wonder why a person could take such an awful oath. In it, most of you will find numerous truths that liken the to the Islamic insurgents and any other terrorist groups linked to this religion.

It has further become clear that Jersulem was supposed to be under the reign of a pope. And the RCC could not have put to better use any other person than their newly created Islamic alter boys. The moslems of course beat Jerusalem to submission, but did not surrender it to the pope's feet. That was a grave sin. The popes who we already know hold the place of God on this earth decided in utmost secrecy to put forth their vengeance plan, no matter how long it took. It had to come and pass. That part of the world must be subjected to much suffering that a world growing tired of violence must quickly find a peacemaker. Haven't we already had of Pope being touted as the much needed man of peace? When death took god Carol to the graves underneath ST Peters, he was already rounding up the world talking peace.He won many hearts, even from very unlikely quotas. His successors will walk in the same light. Finally the temple that is supposed to be built in Jerusalem will be the popes home from where he will "teach peace" unto the warring factions. The Vatican here will have achieved its mission.

1. To punish the Moslems
2. To rule the world as has been their plan all along.

ALBERTO RIVIERA and ex Jesuit preist has more info on the book "Is Alberto for Real"

The truths we mus now find our is whether islam is another extension of Cathlosim many tools of usurpation.

In my reasearch i have come across a wide topic on visions and visitation of spirits from the spirit world. I learnt that it is possible for evil spirits to assume the nature of angels of light all in a bid to alter and distruct man's attnetion from His God. Could it be possible that the angel that appeared to mohammed was not from God?

Again I compared the literature on spirits and that of anceint arabic Jinii stories. Much of arabic folklore is littered with ghoslty figures. Remember aladins and Jinis in bottles,the magical flying carpets etc.

It could have been very possible that it was a Jinii that appeared to Mohammed.

Am still excavating more.

[pipitp]

Let thy words be few. -- Ecclesiastes 5:2

[teejay]

pip my friend how are you!
Where have you been?

[Coach]

>Of late I have gone a little under in order to do a search
>and compile some info for my friend Death. In my quest to do
>so I just come accross a certain literature that has
>explicitly mentioned ISLAM as a creation of the Catholic
>Church!

Some conspiracy theories are just too darn appealing aren't they? You were out to prove that the Pope is ruling the world by proxy (not the Zionists, Illuminati or Free-Masons as many claim) but you came up with another amazing and even further fetched theory.



>Again I compared the literature on spirits and that of anceint
>arabic Jinii stories. Much of arabic folklore is littered with
>ghoslty figures. Remember aladins and Jinis in bottles,the
>magical flying carpets etc.
>
>It could have been very possible that it was a Jinii that
>appeared to Mohammed.
>
>Am still excavating more.

TM suggested a similar thing, he claimed that it was actually Satan, the head of Jinns, that dictated the Quran to the Prophet. Do the two of you by any chance belong to the same sect or division? I guess it is easier to dismiss something as "extra-terestial" rather than actually challenge it.

PS: The Aborigins, Maoris, Inuits, Mayans, Aztecs, Pygmies etc also talk about spirits and jinn like beings, do you think they also might have had anything to do with the "creation" of Islam?



"The ink of the scholar is more sacred than the blood of the martyr" Prophet Muhammad PBUH

[reggie_woic]

>The Vatican here will have achieved its mission.

>1. To punish the Moslems
>2. To rule the world as has been their plan all along.

that is YOUR opinion teejay, isn't it?

[chotadipo]

>PS: The Aborigins, Maoris, Inuits, Mayans, Aztecs, Pygmies etc
>also talk about spirits and jinn like beings, do you think
>they also might have had anything to do with the "creation" of
>Islam?

clap clap clap, oh this was good...

[teejay]

>>The Vatican here will have achieved its mission.
>
>>1. To punish the Moslems
>>2. To rule the world as has been their plan all along.
>
>that is YOUR opinion teejay, isn't it?

It is my ability to read, research and discern, that which is true or false, and thereafter opine.

[TeamManager]

>TM suggested a similar thing, he claimed that it was actually
>Satan, the head of Jinns, that dictated the Quran to the
>Prophet.

Coach, since I dont know the context of your 'TM-claims' I will share what I have read. (I have never used the 'Jinn' word nor associate Muhammed with being a prophet)

1. From whom Muhammad got his revelations:

Volume 4, Book 54, Number 490:
Narrated 'Aisha:
Magic was worked on the Prophet so that he began to fancy that he was doing a thing which he was not actually doing. One day he invoked (Allah) for a long period and then said, "I feel that Allah has inspired me as how to cure myself. Two persons came to me (in my dream) and sat, one by my head and the other by my feet. One of them asked the other, "What is the ailment of this man?" The other replied, 'He has been bewitched" The first asked, 'Who has bewitched him?' The other replied, 'Lubaid bin Al-A'sam.' The first one asked, 'What material has he used?' The other replied, 'A comb, the hair gathered on it, and the outer skin of the pollen of the male date-palm.' The first asked, 'Where is that?' The other replied, 'It is in the well of Dharwan.' " So, the Prophet went out towards the well and then returned and said to me on his return, "Its date-palms (the date-palms near the well) are like the heads of the devils." I asked, "Did you take out those things with which the magic was worked?" He said, "No, for I have been cured by Allah and I am afraid that this action may spread evil amongst the people." Later on the well was filled up with earth.

We read the same thing in Volume 8, Book 75, Number 400 where Aisha Muhammad's wife says that Allah's Apostle was affected by magic, so much that he used to think that he had done something which in fact. She also said Allah's Apostle was bewitched... (See Hadith No. 658, Vol. 7)

Hadith also tells us that Muhammad every night prayed a prayer that his devil should be driven away from him in

Book 41, Number 5036:
Narrated AbulAzhar al-Anmari:
When the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) went to his bed at night, he would say: in the name of Allah, I have laid down my side for Allah. O Allah! forgive me my sin, drive away my devil, free me from my responsibility, and place me in the highest assembly.

When Muhammad started getting revelations he became suicidal and thought to kill himself. A great fear came in his heart and he was not even sure what he was getting and from whom?

Hadith tells us in Volume 9, Book 87, Number 111: Narrated 'Aisha:
The commencement of the Divine Inspiration to Allah's Apostle was in the form of good righteous (true) dreams in his sleep. He never had a dream but that it came true like bright day light. He used to go in seclusion (the cave of) Hira where he used to worship(Allah Alone) continuously for many (days) nights. He used to take with him the journey food for that (stay) and then come back to (his wife) Khadija to take his food like-wise again for another period to stay, till suddenly the Truth descended upon him while he was in the cave of Hira. The angel came to him in it and asked him to read. The Prophet replied, "I do not know how to read." (The Prophet added), "The angel caught me (forcefully) and pressed me so hard that I could not bear it anymore. He then released me and again asked me to read, and I replied, "I do not know how to read," whereupon he caught me again and pressed me a second time till I could not bear it anymore. He then released me and asked me again to read, but again I replied, "I do not know how to read (or, what shall I read?)." Thereupon he caught me for the third time and pressed me and then released me and said, "Read: In the Name of your Lord, Who has created (all that exists). Has created man from a clot. Read and Your Lord is Most Generous...up to..... ..that which he knew not." (96.15)

Then Allah's Apostle returned with the Inspiration, his neck muscles twitching with terror till he entered upon Khadija and said, "Cover me! Cover me!" They covered him till his fear was over and then he said, "O Khadija, what is wrong with me?" Then he told her everything that had happened and said, 'I fear that something may happen to me." Khadija said, 'Never! But have the glad tidings, for by Allah, Allah will never disgrace you as you keep good reactions with your Kith and kin, speak the truth, help the poor and the destitute, serve your guest generously and assist the deserving, calamity-afflicted ones."

Further we read that Khadija accompanied him to her cousin Waraqa and Muhammad told his story to him. Waraqa told him that it is from angel Gabriel who keeps the secret. You can see that Muhammad wasn't sure about his revelation from where he was getting this. Only Khadijah and Waraqa were giving him clues that it may be this and it may be that. Further we read that Muhammad became so disturbed that he tried to kill himself. But every time when Muhammad tried to kill himself the angel who was identified as Gabriel appear before him and said, "O Muhammad! You are indeed Allah's Apostle in truth".

All these Hadith writings suggest that Muhammad was not getting his revelations from God but from devil.

[TeamManager]

>Do the two of you by any chance belong to the same
>sect or division? I guess it is easier to dismiss something as
>"extra-terestial" rather than actually challenge it.
>

Coach,

Again where do you get this "....easier to dismiss something as
extra-terestial" from? If you want to start a new thread please feel free .....

>PS: The Aborigins, Maoris, Inuits, Mayans, Aztecs, Pygmies etc
>also talk about spirits and jinn like beings, do you think
>they also might have had anything to do with the "creation" of
>Islam?

Do you really want to know?

[Coach]

TM,
You used the word Satan and I never claimed you used the word Jinn explicitly. Are you denying that you have claimed that the Prophet Muhammad PBUH got Revelation frm the devil aka Satan?

It's funny how you copied all your "proofs" from http://bibleandquran.com/quran-word-of-god5.htm but you bundled it all together so that the words of the Christian missionaries are also presented as "facts" relating to Islam. Do you seriously think those hadiths you posted support your fancy claim?



>Again where do you get this "....easier to dismiss something
>as
>extra-terestial" from? If you want to start a new thread
>please feel free .....

I got it from the way you and your other missionary friends conduct yourselves. You can not poke any holes in the Qur'an (you, your fellow Christian missionaries and countless apparently learned Orietalists have failed in this) so you are left with fanciful ideas saying that Satan (extra-terrestial - as not a corporeal being that you can touch, talk to etc) inspired it. This is easy just as it would be easy for me to say you are crazy rather than challenge your ideas.



>>PS: The Aborigins, Maoris, Inuits, Mayans, Aztecs, Pygmies
>etc
>>also talk about spirits and jinn like beings, do you think
>>they also might have had anything to do with the "creation"
>of
>>Islam?
>
>Do you really want to know?

Is this a rhetorical question? Do you like your protesting mate seriously believe that Islam was started by Catholics? I know you hate them and all (one can tell from your posts) but are you so desperate that you have to tie all your 'enemies' and put them in one basket so that your faith can make sense?



"The ink of the scholar is more sacred than the blood of the martyr" Prophet Muhammad PBUH