[Death]

>Let me see what you have?

What exactly do you mean what I have? It is you that made that the far fetched claim, not me, and thus the burden of proof rests on you to provide support for your claim. Thus I'm still eagerly waiting for your response.

[teejay]

>What exactly do you mean what I have? It is you that made that
>the far fetched claim, not me, and thus the burden of proof
>rests on you to provide support for your claim. Thus I'm still
>eagerly waiting for your response.

Dont play difficult with me, death. I gave you afew things to reasearch on. If you havent, then say so? whats this womanish twisting about?

I was not expecting you to just sit your behind there on the screen and wait for me to give you everything.

[Death]

>Dont play difficult with me, death. I gave you afew things to
>reasearch on. If you havent, then say so? whats this womanish
>twisting about?

a couple of things:

1. First of all, please refrain from insults and stick to the topic at hand. If you find this too difficult, please inform me so that I can cease discussing with you.

2. When you make a wild claim, you need to back it up with cold hard facts and references. You don't make vague inferences, then tell people to go researching for themselves WTF???? It is YOUR duty to do your research and lay it down before the masses as proof of your claim, NOT MINE!

That being said, if you are refering to the following statement:

>Look up the CFR (council for foreign Relations) and find out who are >the members of this group and what their real activities are. Again >run another look up of the JESUITS (a supposed religious group, whose >first allegiance is to the pope not God) The CFR and the Jesuits are >joined at the Hip.

Three things:

1. Your claim about the jesuits having their first allegiance to the pope as opposed to their god is blatantly false, I happen to personally know and have spoken with a significant number of Jesuits, who all stated that is absolute garbage. Thus if you desire to continue making this claim, please provide me with some piece of Jesuit literature, or with a documented quote from a Jesuit stating so.

2. I found absolutley NO evidence of this solid link between the Jesuits and the CFR as you claimed exists

3. From what I've gathered, the CFR on numerous occasions disagreed with US govt. concerning their policy in the middle east.


Now, please refrain from telling me to go and research vague statements to prove your point, and provide us with solid evidence supporting the following claim made by you:

"The pope has been and continues to heavily influence US policy in the middle east"

[teejay]

I ask you a simple task and all you do is come out breathing fire and brimestone.

Calm down my friend. What you have gathered from your sources is only known to you. You ask of my proof and forget that you do need to bring forth the findings your homework.

I am still working on my compilation and soon I will make it right for you. Also know that mashada is not my life so please dont think that I sleep thinking of providing you with proofs for simple things which lay bare before your eyes yet you cannot see them even if they came slapping your face. You will keep calm and wait for what dont see to shown to you.

[TeamManager]

Death and teejay,

I am really interested in FACTS concerning the pope-islam-israel-mideast link.

If you guys have anything other than 'interpretations' let me know.

[Death]

>Death and teejay,
>
>I am really interested in FACTS concerning the
>pope-islam-israel-mideast link.
>
>If you guys have anything other than 'interpretations' let me
>know.


Please DO NOT group me with teejay on this issue. It is those very facts that I've been asking him for since he made his claim, facts he stated would be available 3 weeks ago but have not yet been presented.
He just keeps comming back with ad hominem attacks combined with vague interpretations and accusations, then asks me to go do my own research....WTF???

[teejay]

>Please DO NOT group me with teejay on this issue. It is those
>very facts that I've been asking him for since he made his
>claim, facts he stated would be available 3 weeks ago but have
>not yet been presented.

Its nice of you to dislike the grouping and it gives no more pleasure, for death is the most feared thing be all beings. The smell of death is terrible

This is just a repeat of what I have already posted on the other side. My apologies. I belive that everyone elae is also interested in reading thsi so I will address all through this rep.

Dear readers/ brothers I am about to give out an explosive insight into the prophecy. I only need you undivided attention. The word of God never fails. He who created this earth stood at the beginning and saw its end. He has however not left on our own oblivious of what is to happen. Through his word he tells us of what must come to pass before the son of man returns at the Second Advent. Some of us dismiss this with a mass of contempt while some of us are express curiosity and others hold to these writings keenly seeking to find out their meanings. Well here it is. Let him who have ears, hear and he who has eyes, see. These are occurrences that we watch daily in the news but simply read them as news making headlines. We forget that this are the signs of times, as long ago foretold by Christ. Before the birth of a child a woman must experience pain.

The accounts I am just about to give may seem like nonsense and to great concern that which has no connection with the issue at hand. But it must be remembered that some of these accounts if overlooked then the story line will be cut and we may not be able to properly conceive the story in our minds as we proceed. Fasten you seatbelt and lets roll on.

We begin our quest by going back into the history of this world. Our time clock must take us several hundreds of years anticlockwise. The year is 1814 and Europe is now begun to enjoy some peace after the Napoleonic wars. Writer Burk McCarthy In THE SUPPRESSED TRUTH ABOUT THE ASSASSINATION OF ABRAHAM LINCOLN Say that a very remarkable event occurred in a congress held in Vienna that year ending in 1815. He says this about the congress;

“ The congress of Vienna was a black conspiracy against popular govts”

McCarthy notes that at the close of that congress the high contracting parties announced the that they hard formed a “holy alliance.” BUT this was only a mask under which they were concealing their true business- the conspiracy.

Do we need to know these parties? Aye! Russia, Prussia (Germany), Austria and Pope Pius VII, King of the Papal States. These entered into a secret treaty to that was to ensure destruction of popular govts.

What are popular govts?

These are regimes that allow their subjects to enjoy certain inalienable rights. Around the same period America was one of the Nations in the forefront of allowing its citizens such freedom (Italy and Spain had their freedom squashed by the very holy alliance and in their place papal monarchies were established). She was a symbol of freedom and many people all over the world longed for its shores.

How was the holy alliance going to eliminate popular Govts?

R.W. Thompson, “THE FOOTPRINTS OF THE JESUITS” p 251

“The sovereigns of the holy alliance had massed large armies and soon entered into a pledge to devote them to the suppression of all uprisings of the people in favor of free govts: he pope (Pius VII) desired to devote the Jesuits supported by his pontifical power to the accomplishment of that end……. He knew how faithfully they would apply themselves to that work…… he counseled them….. to strictly observe the “useful advices and salutary counsels whereby Loyola had made absolution the cornerstone of the society.”

The inventor of Morse Code Samuel B. Morse writes this about this too. In the preface of the Book “FOREIGN CONSPIRACY AGAINST THE LIBERTIES IF THE UNITED STATES” Morse says,

“…..under the direction of the wily prince Metternrich of Austria, who knowing the impossibility of obliterating this troublesome example of a great and free nation by force of arms , is attempting to accomplish his object through the agency of and army of Jesuits.” Morse goes to say that the facts in his book will astonish any man who opens.

We have seen that The Holy alliance whose composition we have already scrutinized had in their intention a sinister plot against popular governments. This is because they wanted to establish papal monarchies everywhere.

We have seen that for the Holy Alliance to establish these mornachies they had to put in place a machinery for that purpose. In our next part, we are going to find out more about the machinery which I have already hinted on as being the Jesuit, devotees of the pope.

[teejay]

In part one of this message we saw the formation of a formidable force calling itself the “Holy Alliance” whose purpose was to do away with all properly and freedom loving instituted govts wherever found on earth. We also discovered that the most effective and efficient tool for executing such an act was the Jesuit of Rome whose leader is the pope.

In this part we are going to scrutinize this society to great lengths. We begin by asking ourselves who are the Jesuits? What is their purpose? What does it mean to be a Jesuit? Who founded the group and why?

Listen to Bill Hughes, “THE SECRET TERRORISTS” p 9-10

“ The Jesuits function like the papacy’s secret world wide police. They are very secretive and go to great lengths to keep their operations secret. They tell no one that they are the Jesuits. To all outside appearances, they appear as normal people.”

Death told us that he has spoken to one who really told him that my sentiment on them (the Jesuits) was utter rubbish. According to the excerpt above, either Death was fooled by a person purporting to be a Jesuit or he was merely making wild claims or better still s/he is a Jesuit in defense of his/her Society.

Am surprised in his/her intelligent form, Death would be so damn to actually believe that a kid who has eaten sugar grains will voluntarily admit to his doing when asked about it.

I would love to hear the manner in which you framed your question to the imaginary Jesuit fella you met, Death.

J. W. Laurens, THE CRISIS IN AMERICA OR THE ENEMIES OF AMERICA UNMASKED, says this about this society,

“They are a secret society, a sort of Masonic order, with added features of revolting odiousness, and a thousand times more dangerous. They are not merely priests, or of the religious creed…..”

General Montholon records Napoleon’s statement in the MEMORIAL OF THE CAPTIVITY OF NAPOLEON AT ST. HELENA p 62

“ The Jesuits are a military organization, not a religious order. Their chief is a general of an army, not the mere father abbot of monastery.”

Napoleon is also the same person under whose leadership a pope was captured and killed in captivity. (The book of revelation refers to this incident as the wound sustained by the beast - the wound was later healed when Italy’s Benito Mussolini restored Vatican’s independence, REV 13:1-3, Dan 7:1-28)

NB: I shall after this topic on RCC share with you on those passages I have quoted above.

One may say that, that was then and this now and that the RCC is more docile politically. I refute that as either an act of ignorance of plain assumption of current affairs. History only records one time suppression of the order of the Jesuits and that was in 1773 when pope Clement saw in them an exceeding power that is beyond his control. This was however not to last long as Pope Puis revived them in all their power at the formation of the Holy Alliance (1815)-(J. W. Laurens, THE CRISIS IN AMERICA OR THE ENEMIES OF AMERICA UNMASKED). Since then, they have remained active and very much the agents of papacy as we have already seen.

The Jesuit order was founded in 1540s By Ignatius Loyola. The formation of this group was aimed at several purposes.

1. To wipe Protestantism and its traces wherever found.( Council of Trent 1546-63)
The council was convened to Counter Reformation and the Jesuits would be the tools of Rome to undo and destroy Protestantism.- Bill Hughes, THE SECRET TERRORISTS.

Luther had just nailed 95 theses on the door of the Wittenberg chapel. The theses challenged the heinous doctrine of the RCC. Luther taught that the bible only was standards for all doctrine and practice and that a person is justified before God through faith in Jesus Christ alone. This sent chill running down the backbone of the RCC. The walls of the Vatican were shaken. At last their hypocrisy had been exposed in God’s own time. From there on the reformation proceeded amidst persecution.

Soon other congress meetings followed held in 1822 and 1825 in Verona and Chieri respectively, which were held in much secrecy. The proceedings of this meeting were only made open by one man who attended the meeting, Englishman Sir Canning. Here, also the destruction the bible was addressed with finality

“The bible that serpent which with head erect and eyes flashing threatens us with its venom while it trails along the ground, shall be changed into a rod as soon as we are able to seize it.” - Hector Macpherson, THE JESUIT IN HISTORY.

2. We have already seen that all popular govts were to be subdued and monarchies empathetic to papacy established. The same Jesuits were to be used.

MEMBERSHIP OF THIS GROUP.

Is only known to the pope and themselves but I gather they are everywhere and walk in our midst. They although owing their first allegiance to the pope cannot with propriety said to be loyal citizens of the nations which foster them but as enemies from within. Any one can be a Jesuit and their identity could not be known. There are two types of Jesuits.

1. Priest type
2. Jesuit tempore co-adjatore, meaning Jesuit of short robe
Jesuits are not necessarily priest. Those who are not priests serve the order their profession

Let us consider what several authors (who have written about the Jesuits) say of them.

“ They(Jesuits) are not merely priests, or of religious creed; they are merchants, lawyers, editors and men of any profession having no outward badge to by which to be recognized...” - J. W. Laurens, THE CRISIS IN AMERICA OR THE ENEMIES OF AMERICA UNMASKED

“… the most cruel, unscrupulous, and powerful of all the champions of popery. Cut from earthly ties and human interests, dead to the claims of natural affection, reason and conscience wholly silenced, they knew no rule , no tie, but that of their order, and no duty but to extend its power…the was no crime too great for them to commit, no deception too base for them practice, no disguise too difficult for them to assume…it was their studied aim to secure wealth and power, to be devoted to the overthrow of Protestantism and re-establishment of the papal supremacy.” E.G. White, THE GREAT CONTOVERSY

Take a look at the JESUITICAL OATH

I DO FURTHER PROMISE AND DECLARE THAT I WILL HAVE NO OPINION OR WILL OF MY OWN OR ANY MENTAL RESERVATION WHATEVER, EVEN AS A CORPSE OR CADAVER, BUT WILL UNHESITATINGLY OBEY EACH AND EVERY COMMAND THAT I MAY RECEIVE FROM MY SUPERIORS IN THE MILITIA OF THE POPE… I FURTHERMORE PROMISE AND DECLARE THAT I WILL, WHEN OPPORTUNITY PRESENTS, MAKE AND WAGE RELENTLESS WAR, SECRETLY OR OPENLY OR OPENLY, AGAINST ALL HERETICS, PROTESTANTS AND LIBERALS , AS I AM DIRECTED TO DO , TO EXTIRPATE AND EXTERMINATE THEM FROM THE FACE OF THE WHOLE EARTH; AND THAT I WILL SPARE NEITHER AGE, SEX OR CONDITION; AND THAT I WILL HANG , BURN , WASTE, BOIL, FLAY, STRANGLE AND BURY ALIVE THESE INFAMOUS HERETICS , RIP UP THE STOMACHS AND THE WOMBS OF THEIR WOMEN AND CRUSH THEIR INFANTS HEADS AGAINST THE WALLS, IN ORDER TO ANNIHILATE FOREVER THEIR EXECRABLE RACE. THAT WHEN THE SAME CANNOT BE DONE OPENLY, I WILL SECRETLY USE THE POISONED CUP, THE STRANGULATING CORD, THE STEEL OF THE PONIARD OR THE LEADEN BULLET, REGARDLESS OF THE HONOR, RANK, DIGNITY, OR AUTHORITY OF THE PERSON OR PERSONS, WHATEVER MAY BE THEIR CONDITION IN LIFE, EITHER PUBLIC OR PRIVATE, AS I AT ANY TIME MAYBE DIRECTED SO TO DO BY ANY AGENT OF THE POPE OR SUPERIOR OF THE BROTHERHOOD OF THE HOLY FAITH, OF THE SOCIETY OF JESUS. –

Edwin A. Sherman, THE ENGINEER CORPS OF HELL; ROME’S SAPPER’S AND MINERS.

“To think that a person would concur with such an abominable oath defies reason. One could not even imagine a more despicable oath.”- Bill Hughes, THE SECRET TERRORISTS

And I do concur with Bill Hughes that a person cannot be more evil than that.

My goal was to detail the involvement of the RCC in global political unrest. So far what I have said cannot meet that end. This is why I must now introduce the issue in the next part.

Let us first ask ourselves how the Jesuits were able to accomplish their heinous intentions. See below.

“…under various disguises the Jesuit worked their ways into offices of state, climbing up to be the counselors of kings and shaping the policy of nations. They became servants to acts as spies upon their masters. They established colleges for the sons of princes and nobles, and schools for the common people; and the children of protestants parents were drawn into an observance of popish rites… the Jesuits rapidly spread themselves over Europe, and everywhere they went , there followed a revival of popery.”- E.G. White, THE GREAT CONTOVERSY

J. A. Wylie confirms what E.G. White says, that through various disguises,

“…there was no place into which they could not penetrate. They could enter unheard the closet of the monarch, or the cabinet of the statesmen. They could sit unseen in convocation or General assembly, and mingle unsuspected the in deliberations and debates…there was no language they could not speak, and nor creed they could not profess and thus there was no people among whom they might not sojourn, and no church whose membership they might not enter and whose functions they might not discharge. They could execrate the pope with the Lutheran, and swear the solemn league with the covenator.- THE HISTORY OF PROTESTANTISM, Vol II

The RCC had declared war against the American States. They called her independent declaration (which was full of protestant declaration) and the constitution, evil documents. America was founded by Protestants, some of whom had fled the persecutions in Europe (that were popish efforts of Counter Reformation) and they made sure that in those documents freedom to worship God according to one’s conscience was imprinted. They further made sure that the church and the state were made separate. They had seen first hand results of collaboration between the Church and Politics, where the church using its influence, advised the state to punish severely those (heretics) against her doctrines. (Such is the evil that jilts RCC)

I end this part here. Join me in the next part where we will now see some of the recorded incidences and evidences of how the Jesuits have applied themslves effectively as far as acheiving the papal goal of ruling the world is conerned.

[Death]

First of all, I've asked you several times to refrain from insults, then you start of your pile of your nonesense with this statement:

>Am surprised in his/her intelligent form, Death would be so
>damn to actually believe that a kid who has eaten sugar grains
>will voluntarily admit to his doing when asked about it.

First of all, If you're going to call someone 'dumb' you might want to make sure you spell it correctly, else you just end up looking sofa king we todd id. Secondly, your logic (typical of consipracy theorist) is flawed. Using your logic, when I hear any accusations against any individual or organization including seventh day adventists (and there are many), I have no business hearing the accused out on the basis that if they did it they would lie...WTF??????

Now, you tell us:

>Listen to Bill Hughes,

my simple response is why should I? I don't say this to be insulting, I state it to illuminate a basic fact about academic research that seems to be lacking in your presentation. When you provide quotes, you need to provide us with the reason as to why we should believe what is stated in that quote. Giving us another consipracy theorists quotes (which is what you've done throught your presentation), is NOT evidence of your conspiracy theory. For a more detailed overview about the differences between primary and secondary sources and how to go about doing a proper research paper, look here(and I strongly reccomend you do):

http://academic.bowdoin.edu/WritingGuides/

You go on to make all sorts of wild claims about Jesuits being this 'secret society' and not revealing themselves to anybody etc etc., then make this statement:

>According to the excerpt above, either Death was fooled by a
>person purporting to be a Jesuit

teejay, had you actually taken a second to do any sort of unbiased research, you would have realized that claim is ridiculous. The jesuits are by no means a secret society..for crying out loud, google the name and first link that comes up is a jesuit website giving crazy information about who they are (including names of specific jesuits), what they do etc etc etc. Some secret society they are! In addition, there are 28 Jesuit colleges in the US alone(see http://www.ajcunet.edu/tier.aspx?bid=54 ). It took me but 2 minutes to disprove the claims you made concerning their 'secret society status. How do you expect me (or anyone for that matter) to take you seriously if you claim to have done research about the Jesuits but fail to present key facts and references such as the ones above?????

You go on to quote the 'Jesuit Oath'. What you posted is just one of two supposed versions that i've come accross in the little research I've done. No suprise though, that neither ones authenticity can even be remotley verified, and the Jesuits have claimed that both are completley false.

This is basically that sums up your entire presentation. Wild claims backed with hear say being the only supporting evidence provided. With the occasional insult provided to fill in the vacuum created by the lack of concrete facts.

I suggest you rid yourself of your own prejudices, read the link on how to go about writting a research paper then do some real unbiased research regarding this issue. A paper free of the blatant academic dishonesty displayed above.

[teejay]

>First of all, I've asked you several times to refrain from
>insults, then you start of your pile of your nonesense with
>this statement:

Death tell me if you are not intelligent; only then will I gracefully & certifiably label you unintelligent. I suppose at that point I will have halted the alleged insults.

>First of all, If you're going to call someone 'dumb'

Get to the point, you and I both know that you understood the typo error that occurred and that you read and felt the irresistible urge to correct the word instead. At least you are not too dumb after all.

>Now, you tell us:
>
>>Listen to Bill Hughes,
>
>my simple response is why should I?

Mr/Mrs/Miss/Dr/prof..... Death, Need I remind you that you are the one who asked for references and that is precisely what I am giving you. It is now upon you to look for these authors and read more from them and make up your unbiased opinion if there is any. I said that I don’t have time on my hand to scroll through web as you do and therefore I am disadvantaged as far as googling is concerned. I do however appreciate your useful cyber advice. It will help me with my forthcoming research project on procurement. But I need to let you know that aimless pasting is vague. It defeats the very noble function for which refences are projected towards.

>teejay, had you actually taken a second to do any sort of
>unbiased research, you would have realized that claim is
>ridiculous. The jesuits are by no means a secret society..for
>crying out loud, google the name and first link that comes up
>is a jesuit website giving crazy information about who they
>are (including names of specific jesuits), what they do etc
>etc etc. Some secret society they are! In addition, there are
>28 Jesuit colleges in the US alone(see
>http://www.ajcunet.edu/tier.aspx?bid=54 ). It took me but 2
>minutes to disprove the claims you made concerning their
>'secret society status. How do you expect me (or anyone for
>that matter) to take you seriously if you claim to have done
>research about the Jesuits but fail to present key facts and
>references such as the ones above?????

Are you able to differentiate between disguise and secrecy? Apart from the mono link you have grinfully pasted here I could provide you with many other links about the Jesuits that seek to debunk the oath claims against them and exonerate them from diabolism of which they are perpetually avowed to.

I still maintain that you were fooled or you are a Jesuit in defense of your course. After all we have of late seen some very amazing cover up of the Jesuit trucks. They are working hard on ensuring that the world sees them as the meek sheep. Isn’t it bearing fruits? With the likes of you defending them. It sure does. Soon more people will soon join the Rome-has-changed bandwagon (people who are not wise enough to discern that she has not relinquished her false doctrines which are the root cause of her imposition of absolutism and despotism over the world will be fooled by her new sheep like garment). They will only be shocked when her wretchedness has caused her sheep cover to rot exposing her lion traits underneath. It is in fact these days considered hate speech to identify papacy as the Antichrist. Am saying that with full knowledge that your next response will be " believe what you want."

>You go on to quote the 'Jesuit Oath'. What you posted is just
>one of two supposed versions that i've come accross in the
>little research I've done. No suprise though, that neither
>ones authenticity can even be remotley verified, and the
>Jesuits have claimed that both are completley false.

Am just proving right what I had earlier said. That you are dumb. Call that an insult. It is amazing how you can endlessly bash me for making wild proofless claims and when I certainly furnish you with a few, you turn around and do just what you accuse me of perpetrating. Nyani kusema kweli haoni ngokoye. Hivyo ndivyo wasemavyo waswahili.

Bring forth thy findings, Death. If you don’t it is easy for me to assume that they perished with thee in thy mortal state, and perhaps they are null, the reason they can’t be pasted here.

>This is basically that sums up your entire presentation. Wild
>claims backed with hear say being the only supporting evidence
>provided. With the occasional insult provided to fill in the
>vacuum created by the lack of concrete facts.

Have you ever taken a look at my auto? If not see below

>I suggest you rid yourself of your own prejudices, read the
>link on how to go about writting a research paper

Excuse me teacher! You are confusing me. First you tell me to furnish you with proof then….

BY the way the two Jesuit oaths you are talking about don’t exist only one is real, but someone whose mission is to get the heat off him decided that he will divide the Extreme oath into two portions and twist people’s minds. Death you got twisted badly. Damn! Its funny how you don’t want to believe me and keeping tripping and drifting towards the waves of darkness. You’d better believe lies than truth. God save you.