[ATLian]

>maybe he was gay...always hanging out with dudes...hardly any
>women in his life...more reason for some church to hide this
>info from the world.
>
>there is more evidence to conclude that he was gay than to
>conclude that he was married.
>so why aren't we arguing about that?


Well, god is extremely anti-gay. He commanded his people never to engage in gay sex, and he ordered his people to stone to death any gay people. He destroyed Sodom and Gommorah for their gay activities. It's in the Bible, in many verses. That is conclusive evidence that Jesus could not have been gay.

[ATLian]

>I hope that you will share kindly some evidence with us.

TM,

to quote you from the Sabbath discussions, "I have NO intention of 'looking for support' from non-believers on Spiritual matters. I laughed my head of when I saw you quoting/congratulating ATLian for his wisdom." Plus you're on record as having said you don't bother reading past the 10th line of what people post. So why should I waste my time trying to tell you what the evidence is. I say just google it and you'll find it out there.



>Your arguement can be used to justify any claim- even Jesus
>smoking pot:-)

It can be used to justify any claim that is RIGHT in god's eyes. Of course if the claim is WRONG in god's eyes, then it's inconceivable that Jesus did it. Meaning that Jesus was definitely not a crack-head, a player, a homo, etc. But meaning that he could have been married, had close friends, etc



>We know every community especially the Jews were crazy about
>the importance of maintaining a record of a person's lineage
>..... Mat and luk spent many verses on the Adam-to-Jesus
>'family connection' topic. Why leave out any descendants, if
>they ever existed?

The only reason Matthew and Luke show Jesus's descendants is to show that he was directly related to Adam. It's not about his kids.

[fgitonga]

Jesus is a name in Greek and Aramaic. Joshua is in Hebrew. Yeshua was common in NT times. The meaning is that Yahweh is salvation and is alluded in Mt.1:21,Lk2:21 The Greek "Christos" translates into the Hebrew for "Mesiah".

Jesus is mentioned by three Roman historians. Suetonius(life of claudius 25,4) who expelled jews in Rome for riots instigated by Chrestos. During this period, the jews and christians were avowed enemies.

Tacitus wrote about the persecution of christians under Nero after the burning of Rome. He mentions Christ as the one executed by the procurator Pontius Pilate in the reign of Tiberias (Annals 15,14).

Pliny writes a letter to Trajan, asking for instructions on how to deal with the christian sect in Bithynia. They were assembling before sunrise to sing hymns in honor of Christ as a God (Epistles 10,96).

The other source of information on Jesus is the writings of Josephus who mentions him twice. First as the brother of James (AJ 20,9,1) and second as a wise man (Aj 18,3). Note that the apocryphal gospels are historically worthless.

[Bachelor]

Are those Jesus autobiographers or wat

[fgitonga]

More or less what co-relates to what is known of Jesus, besides the gospels.

[reggie_woic]

sosodef you didn't answer my question.

ATLian, i didn't mean that Jesus was gay. i'm just saying that it would be easier to prove he was gay than to prove he was married....yet people still try to force issues that he was married.

[teejay]

>TeeJay,
>
>as far as I know, there were many great men in the Bible and
>they were all married yet there isn't a single verse whch goes
>into detail about how their weddings and the celebrations
>were. That's why it's not odd that we don't hear about Jesus'
>wedding celebrations. Plus the Bible skips his life from 12 -
>30, which is the time period in which most men married, so
>thaty further explains why it's not mentioned.

What I mean AT is that even though we not furnished with the marital details, there are certainly lots of verses (which am prepared to quote) that give indication of people marrying. And Jesus being in the Jewish circles where marriage was a celebrated event (notice the existence of polygamy) would have not missed a heading or two from the biblical texts.

While I want to agree with you about the possibility of not hearing about Christ’s marriage( because it nonentity), I want to draw to you attention, Isaiah 53. The prophetic pen clearly talks about Christ (the suffering servant/messiah). Isaiah reaches a point where he says. “He was taken from prison and from judgment: AND WHO SHALL DECLARE HIS GENERATION? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.”(verse 8) The phrase in capital to mean that he will not have an earthly family. It is therefore unwise to say that he would even establish romantic relationship. Christ is a person on a mission and with one vision. To restore mankind unto God. Marriage was therefore not his priority.

The historical book of Acts also records en Ethiopian man reading from the same Chapter but with minimal understanding of its meaning. The Spirit Of God instructs Philip to help out. ACTS8:33-34

It is true there is no mention of Christ life in teen, but then we should take into account what Luke says about Him. “he Increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man..” We also look at another answer that he, Jesus gave his parents when they were searching for him the time he got lost in Jerusalem, did you not know that I was to be by my father’s house.” So this is the kind of wisdom Luke is talking about here is that of Spiritual acquisition. Luke 2:24-52

Luke if you remember was doc and much of his writing is based on research for he was not among the 12 Disciples of Christ, but he mingled with them and his work was done much later after Christ’s ascension. In his research he say that the Child increased in wisdom. We have this as the evidence that his teen was not wasted in immoral abyss but in seeking favour with his father’s ways.


>Please show me the evidence from the Bible that categorically
>shows us that Jesus wasn't married. If it's not there, then
>all we can do is deduce. And like i wrote above, if all
>evidence points one way, then it's rational to conclude that
>that's what happened.

AT show me one that says he was married?

[KEMINOKANA]

Aki this forum is just full of ignoramuses.

How many men in this present world are in their 30s, 40s, 50s and not or never been married? Huh? Bear in mind the average marriage age is about 22-25.

How many virgins are in their late 20s when the average woman/man becomes sexually active at ages 18(in the us) and 13 in africa? Many!

Having said that, anybody who has used the laws of average to make his/her argument truly needs some...I dont know what to call it ;(. Dont just think everyone is a sexual pervert like YOU! Furthermore, it is only modern people that use sex for enjoyment...back then it was mostly for recreation.

Also, the 20s for those people were not like our 20s. It is totally false that guys back then married in their teens. Dont bring the african backwardness of child molestation into the bible. The likes of Moses, Joseph, Isaac, Jacob, David and etc didnt marry actually until their late 20s(the youngest) to the late 30s. Daniel never married. Elijah never married. Paul never married. And many other men.

Jesus was an extraordinary child from the beginning, not a regular nincompoop like you who thinks the world revolves around sex! At a mere age of 5, he was arguing with church elders on biblical issues. At that age am sure many of you were still wiping their anuses forwards, running around butt naked playing cha mama na baba trying to get cheap sex.

As a youth, he became an excellent carpenter. At this age many of you were smoking pot, tobacco, drinking beer, serving as spermholes after getting fanta na mkate nusu but couldnt crack the algebra homework awaiting you. Heck, am sure some of you guys couldnt even wash their underwears and most girls couldnt even cook. Thousands more of you were busy loitering in the streets in tight mini skirts and Tokyo troussers looking for hookups since the govt 'wasnt providing JOBS'.

And now ur here thinking u can talk about holiness in a story that you dont even understand. Yall remind me of those people who just cant believe that some people are actually 'that good' and so if he didnt steal, he cheated or he's a devil worshipper. Save us the bull.

All am seeing here is people saying Mozart didnt play the piano with expertise, complexity and magnificence at age 5 on HIS FIRST TOUCH ON A PIANO!!

[arsenal2005]

NO

[teejay]

>Are those Jesus autobiographers or wat

could be